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2022 MLB Draft
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 15, 2022 15:50:12 GMT -5
... and his father is on record that the Red Sox don't have that permission. Am I a bad person for hoping that Jud Fabian slides and ends up signing for less than the Red Sox offered him last year? The public involvement of parents quite often is a warning sign (David Clyde, Bobby Carpenter, etc). Yes. He had a deal with more money from Baltimore, and the Sox took him anyways. No need to hold anything against him |
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Post by borisman on Jul 15, 2022 16:27:33 GMT -5
Am I a bad person for hoping that Jud Fabian slides and ends up signing for less than the Red Sox offered him last year? The public involvement of parents quite often is a warning sign (David Clyde, Bobby Carpenter, etc). Yes. He had a deal with more money from Baltimore, and the Sox took him anyways. No need to hold anything against him While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 15, 2022 16:30:32 GMT -5
Yes. He had a deal with more money from Baltimore, and the Sox took him anyways. No need to hold anything against him While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. Would you not be upset if you had a job offer for a better paying job, but then weren't allowed to take it, and could only accept one paying less? |
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2022 16:43:24 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. Would you not be upset if you had a job offer for a better paying job, but then weren't allowed to take it, and could only accept one paying less? I think I would have a very hard time being upset if someone wanted to hire me with a signing bonus of $2 million, regardless of context. |
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Post by brewsterttizzy on Jul 15, 2022 17:37:59 GMT -5
Am I the only one out there that feels we should take an underslot deal at 24 if none of the top targets (rocker, Jett, Gilbert, jung, etc) slip to us. I think it would be best to take a good sized underslot deal with someone like Mikey Romero, who’s a hit first SS with a good swing that fits our mold (also would continue Chaim’s prep middle INF from Cali in the first round streak going lol), Roman Anthony, Sal Stewart, Eric Brown, etc and then take the best available college OF or bat that falls to 41 like Melton, Thompson, Brock jones, Cermak, maybe a Jordan beck or beavers or DeLauter falls who knows.
It seems like teams and scouts really feel like the whole group of players from 20-mid 60’s are very closely similar talent wise and especially this college OF group is very deep and similar for the first three rounds, so why not save on the first pick and then get a similarly talented college bat at 41 that u might’ve picked at 24.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 15, 2022 17:57:28 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. Would you not be upset if you had a job offer for a better paying job, but then weren't allowed to take it, and could only accept one paying less? But it's a draft among competitive teams. He's not a free agent looking to accept whatever job he wants. Sox don't have to, and should not, let him slip to another team, esp. one in the division just because he had a deal in place.
I think if things broke differently, they could have (and would have been happy to) offered him similar money. They chose to sign Hickey and hoped what was left would be enough to make Fabian happy (maybe some other wild cards in there, too). It wasn't. Fine. Neither party should be upset, though. It's how the system works. I think the Fabian family had sour grapes and acted immature about the whole deal, but whatever. Most of America probably would have these days. But you can't let players keep saying I have a deal in place for more money with another team coming up and force teams to keep passing up drafting you. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 15, 2022 18:00:23 GMT -5
I always found the whole teams and players making deals before they were even officially drafted to be a form of tampering.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 15, 2022 18:03:06 GMT -5
The guy on weei Just gave props to Soxprospects. He just had Buster Onley on. About Xman and Devers and Bloom probably goning to wait to make move at deadline. I think it is Brian Barrett.
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Post by evanstonredsox on Jul 15, 2022 18:49:09 GMT -5
Could very well mean nothing but Brooks Lee skyrocketed to -550 to be the number 1 pick this afternoon
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 15, 2022 21:41:57 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. Would you not be upset if you had a job offer for a better paying job, but then weren't allowed to take it, and could only accept one paying less? Don't hate the player, hate the game...
[True free agency would solve this problem...]
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 15, 2022 21:50:28 GMT -5
Am I the only one out there that feels we should take an underslot deal at 24 if none of the top targets (rocker, Jett, Gilbert, jung, etc) slip to us. I think it would be best to take a good sized underslot deal with someone like Mikey Romero, who’s a hit first SS with a good swing that fits our mold (also would continue Chaim’s prep middle INF from Cali in the first round streak going lol), Roman Anthony, Sal Stewart, Eric Brown, etc and then take the best available college OF or bat that falls to 41 like Melton, Thompson, Brock jones, Cermak, maybe a Jordan beck or beavers or DeLauter falls who knows. It seems like teams and scouts really feel like the whole group of players from 20-mid 60’s are very closely similar talent wise and especially this college OF group is very deep and similar for the first three rounds, so why not save on the first pick and then get a similarly talented college bat at 41 that u might’ve picked at 24. I think it's a sound strategy but I also think they would need to be sure that several potential overslot guys they like will be available down the board.
I don't think it will come to that, though. i think that enough helium (and underslot) kids will float up the board such that there will be good value still available at 24, even if the Sox need to pay a little overslot to get iit. The last mock I looked at had Jung, Snelling and Prelipp all falling past 24 (and the mocker stuck the Sox with one of the multitude of college OFs).
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 16, 2022 7:48:50 GMT -5
Yes. He had a deal with more money from Baltimore, and the Sox took him anyways. No need to hold anything against him While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. He didn't cry about it, he just didn't sign. The folks crying about it seem to be the fans mad he didn't take their favorite team's money, which he's under no obligation to do. He had a dollar amount, the Red Sox didn't meet it, and the rules as they are blocked his ability to make that money from teams that were willing to meet it. Nobody broke the rules, but he has a right to be annoyed by that. For what it's worth, the pool system should seemingly eliminate the need for a draft. If teams have a limited amount of money to spend the whole "what if the Yankees and Dodgers buy every random amateur?!?!" stuff goes out the window, and a player can take a deal from the team who thinks he's worth the most or the team they want to play for. When you step back, if the Orioles think Fabian was worth a bigger chunk of their pool than the Red Sox did, why should the Red Sox be in a position to force him either take less money or no money? The answer has nothing to do with spreading talent around, and this is a great example: the richer, better team blocked a poorer team from spending more money on a player and ended up with extra pool money and an extra pick the next year for their efforts. Also, too: folks here seem to love the idea of a player betting on himself except in cases when he bets on themselves instead of on the Red Sox. Having animosity toward Fabian because the Red Sox didn't meet the number he told them it would take to sign him is silly. |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 16, 2022 8:00:42 GMT -5
Keith Law today ("MLB Mock Draft 4.0: Keith Law’s final projection"): 24. Boston Red Sox: Sterlin Thompson, 2B/OF, Florida. I do think they’re seriously considering Rocker if he gets here. Jordan Beck, Brock Jones, Cooper Hjerpe, even one of the hurt pitchers like Connor Prielipp would also fit. Scouting report: Thompson is a draft-eligible sophomore with a pretty left-handed swing and the potential for plus power, showing a solid two-strike approach for the Gators this spring while hitting well even in SEC play. He’s a below-average runner who’s limited to an outfield corner and could end up at first base, which definitely caps his value upside. His best tool is the hit tool, which is the hardest one to evaluate, and if he doesn’t in fact end up with a 55 or 60 hit tool, he’s not going to have much of a role in the majors. Primarily a corner outfielder, Thompson has played a lot of second base this year for the Gators, and improved enough as the season has gone on that many scouts believe he’ll be able to stay there in pro ball. He’s shown he can hit good velocity with doubles power right now, enough that he should be a mid first-rounder this July. theathletic.com/3427466/2022/07/16/mlb-mock-draft-2022-final/?source=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterAdded: profile and 2:24 video of him hitting. The story says he hit well with wooden bats in a Florida summer league. Comments on a swing change. soxmachine.com/2022-mlb-draft/2022-draft-profile-sterlin-thompson/ |
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2022 8:09:08 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. He didn't cry about it, he just didn't sign. The folks crying about it seem to be the fans mad he didn't take their favorite team's money, which he's under no obligation to do. He had a dollar amount, the Red Sox didn't meet it, and the rules as they are blocked his ability to make that money from teams that were willing to meet it. Nobody broke the rules, but he has a right to be annoyed by that. For what it's worth, the pool system should seemingly eliminate the need for a draft. If teams have a limited amount of money to spend the whole "what if the Yankees and Dodgers buy every random amateur?!?!" stuff goes out the window, and a player can take a deal from the team who thinks he's worth the most or the team they want to play for. When you step back, if the Orioles think Fabian was worth a bigger chunk of their pool than the Red Sox did, why should the Red Sox be in a position to force him either take less money or no money? The answer has nothing to do with spreading talent around, and this is a great example: the richer, better team blocked a poorer team from spending more money on a player and ended up with extra pool money and an extra pick the next year for their efforts. Also, too: folks here seem to love the idea of a player betting on himself except in cases when he bets on themselves instead of on the Red Sox. Having animosity toward Fabian because the Red Sox didn't meet the number he told them it would take to sign him is silly. I have more of an issue with his dad than I do him. I hope Jud gets all the money he can get, he put in some work and showed a little improvement this year even if it doesn’t seem to have lifted his stock much |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 16, 2022 9:21:10 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. He didn't cry about it, he just didn't sign. The folks crying about it seem to be the fans mad he didn't take their favorite team's money, which he's under no obligation to do. He had a dollar amount, the Red Sox didn't meet it, and the rules as they are blocked his ability to make that money from teams that were willing to meet it. Nobody broke the rules, but he has a right to be annoyed by that. For what it's worth, the pool system should seemingly eliminate the need for a draft. If teams have a limited amount of money to spend the whole "what if the Yankees and Dodgers buy every random amateur?!?!" stuff goes out the window, and a player can take a deal from the team who thinks he's worth the most or the team they want to play for. When you step back, if the Orioles think Fabian was worth a bigger chunk of their pool than the Red Sox did, why should the Red Sox be in a position to force him either take less money or no money? The answer has nothing to do with spreading talent around, and this is a great example: the richer, better team blocked a poorer team from spending more money on a player and ended up with extra pool money and an extra pick the next year for their efforts. Also, too: folks here seem to love the idea of a player betting on himself except in cases when he bets on themselves instead of on the Red Sox. Having animosity toward Fabian because the Red Sox didn't meet the number he told them it would take to sign him is silly. And you are now showing why an international draft is a huge step backwards. It's frustrating. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 16, 2022 10:03:10 GMT -5
Am I the only one out there that feels we should take an underslot deal at 24 if none of the top targets (rocker, Jett, Gilbert, jung, etc) slip to us. I think it would be best to take a good sized underslot deal with someone like Mikey Romero, who’s a hit first SS with a good swing that fits our mold (also would continue Chaim’s prep middle INF from Cali in the first round streak going lol), Roman Anthony, Sal Stewart, Eric Brown, etc and then take the best available college OF or bat that falls to 41 like Melton, Thompson, Brock jones, Cermak, maybe a Jordan beck or beavers or DeLauter falls who knows. It seems like teams and scouts really feel like the whole group of players from 20-mid 60’s are very closely similar talent wise and especially this college OF group is very deep and similar for the first three rounds, so why not save on the first pick and then get a similarly talented college bat at 41 that u might’ve picked at 24. I think there's a possibility you can take both BPA and go underslot. Last year 8 of the first round picks out of college signed for underslot (most just by a bit), including the 24th pick. I would imagine Brock Jones or Sterlin Thompson would require slot or more, but I could see guys like Beck, DeLauter, Beavers, or even Prielipp taking less. I'm not opposed to going with a guy like Dalton Rushing for well under slot but think you could manufacture slot savings with someone that is a little closer to the best talent. |
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Post by bosox904 on Jul 16, 2022 10:34:33 GMT -5
Am I the only one out there that feels we should take an underslot deal at 24 if none of the top targets (rocker, Jett, Gilbert, jung, etc) slip to us. I think it would be best to take a good sized underslot deal with someone like Mikey Romero, who’s a hit first SS with a good swing that fits our mold (also would continue Chaim’s prep middle INF from Cali in the first round streak going lol), Roman Anthony, Sal Stewart, Eric Brown, etc and then take the best available college OF or bat that falls to 41 like Melton, Thompson, Brock jones, Cermak, maybe a Jordan beck or beavers or DeLauter falls who knows. It seems like teams and scouts really feel like the whole group of players from 20-mid 60’s are very closely similar talent wise and especially this college OF group is very deep and similar for the first three rounds, so why not save on the first pick and then get a similarly talented college bat at 41 that u might’ve picked at 24. I would actually be ok with this approach with where their picks fall. Like you said, there's not a big gap in talent in those ranges. |
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Post by borisman on Jul 16, 2022 10:41:33 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. . The folks crying about it seem to be the fans mad he didn't take their favorite team's money, which he's under no obligation to do. He had a dollar amount, the Red Sox didn't meet it, and the rules as they are blocked his ability to make that money from teams that were willing to meet it. Nobody broke the rules, but he has a right to be annoyed by that. Also, too: folks here seem to love the idea of a player betting on himself except in cases when he bets on themselves instead of on the Red Sox. Having animosity toward Fabian because the Red Sox didn't meet the number he told them it would take to sign him is silly. Yup, he cried. In the same way Gronk cried. They had their dads do it for them. Not sure the majority of fans were that upset Fabien didn't sign or still have animosity towards him. I think picking a few fans over the majority that don't/didn't really care if he signed or not because Baltimore offered more $ is silly. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2022 12:53:02 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. Would you not be upset if you had a job offer for a better paying job, but then weren't allowed to take it, and could only accept one paying less? Personally, I think it's stupid that teams and players work out deals before the draft. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 16, 2022 13:14:05 GMT -5
The least I’m thinking about in this draft is Jud Fabian.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2022 13:17:38 GMT -5
The least I’m thinking about in this draft is Jud Fabian. But are you thinking more or less about Fabian than you are about Trey Ball? |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 16, 2022 13:29:24 GMT -5
The least I’m thinking about in this draft is Jud Fabian. But are you thinking more or less about Fabian than you are about Trey Ball? Who is that? |
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 16, 2022 13:51:39 GMT -5
Excited about the draft! Boston has some picks and money to sign em. As far as strategy, who knows how Bloom will play it? Seems to be a draft with similar talent through the second and third round.
Fabian is gone. Probably a blessing in disguise.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 16, 2022 14:00:09 GMT -5
While I agree I also don’t think he should cry about it either. This was a draft, not free agency. He was also a college player and not a preppie. , he just didn't sign. The folks crying about it seem to be the fans mad he didn't take their favorite team's money, which he's under no obligation to do. He had a dollar amount, the Red Sox didn't meet it, and the rules as they are blocked his ability to make that money from teams that were willing to meet it. Nobody broke the rules, but he has a right to be annoyed by that. For what it's worth, the pool system should seemingly eliminate the need for a draft. If teams have a limited amount of money to spend the whole "what if the Yankees and Dodgers buy every random amateur?!?!" stuff goes out the window, and a player can take a deal from the team who thinks he's worth the most or the team they want to play for. When you step back, if the Orioles think Fabian was worth a bigger chunk of their pool than the Red Sox did, why should the Red Sox be in a position to force him either take less money or no money? The answer has nothing to do with spreading talent around, and this is a great example: the richer, better team blocked a poorer team from spending more money on a player and ended up with extra pool money and an extra pick the next year for their efforts. Also, too: folks here seem to love the idea of a player betting on himself except in cases when he bets on themselves instead of on the Red Sox. Having animosity toward Fabian because the Red Sox didn't meet the number he told them it would take to sign him is silly. Actually, he literally cried about it. There were reports of there being "a lot of tears" when he and his family were deciding what he should do after the draft. I don't know why I can't quite bring myself to not have an opinion about this, which is what I obviously should do, but I can't help but feeling a little irked at someone essentially winning the lottery of life and yet still feeling put-upon and victimized because they didn't win a slightly bigger lottery. (This is an epidemic in our society...)
Also, I hate the idea of kids betting on themselves. No one should ever bet on themself! You never know what's going to happen, and the notion that you can control the future is a delusion!
Anyway, I completely agree with you about eliminating the draft with the pool system in place. Seems redundant, inefficient, and unfair, as in these sorts of situations. It would also make the signing process that much more interesting to follow.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 16, 2022 14:18:32 GMT -5
My Top 5 Wishlist
1) Rocker
2) Dylan Lesko
3) Brock Porter
4) Brandon Barriera
5) Peyton Graham
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