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Post by Guidas on Aug 25, 2021 15:38:26 GMT -5
Hernandez 4 Schwarber DH Bogaerts 6 Devers 5 Martinez 7 Verdugo 8 Renfroe 9 Shaw 3 Vazquez 2 No Arroyo again. I hope he post-rehab rehabs quickly. Kiké is better in CF.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 25, 2021 16:13:05 GMT -5
JD at first has been brought up by me and others before, why why hasn't he been working there for years??? Well just heard something today that kind of makes sense for him. He likes to analyze all his ABs during the game and he can't do that while playing the field so his DH #s are better when he isn't in the field. If he has a 900+OPS then we can't really complain much about his salary and the lack of flexibility he creates for Cora. So at what level of hitting is he not really worth it? 850... 800, I don't know. But when he is on he is one of the best hitters in baseball. You people aren't happy with the 1.000 SLG% 1B we have now? I don't even know if you are being serious with this reply or not. I will just say the conversation has nothing to do with what is happening at 1b right now.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 25, 2021 16:17:45 GMT -5
You people aren't happy with the 1.000 SLG% 1B we have now? I don't even know if you are being serious with this reply or not. I will just say the conversation has nothing to do with what is happening at 1b right now. Wasn't a serious comment to begin with
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 25, 2021 16:28:52 GMT -5
You people aren't happy with the 1.000 SLG% 1B we have now? I don't even know if you are being serious with this reply or not. I will just say the conversation has nothing to do with what is happening at 1b right now. Dalbec, Shaw, & Schwarber need to be in the lineup every night. Which puts JD on the bench. Of course, keeping Shaw at 2B takes care of it
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 25, 2021 16:34:17 GMT -5
He could implode but hear me out as he was my pick for a July deal. 1. His value isn't regarded as being as high as he has performed because of his career stats so I get why you say he will implode. But it is for that very reason that you get him for a reasonable package of prospects based on what he has done this season. 2. There is a reason for his success as he changed his approach and added a pitch so he isn't the same pitcher he has always been. 3. He is signed for a reasonable amount for next year and if he continues to pitch at this level it is an absolute steal. So yeah everyone said he would implode but he hasn't and based on your #s he would have the best fwar of any deadline player this year. JS Well since a trade did happen I will to the FV comparison, just for arguments sake... Kyle Gibson Ian Kennedy Hans Crouse P FV45 AA for Spencer Howard SP FV50 MLB Kevin Gowdy SP FV40 A+ Josh Gessner P FV35+ RK Now granted, I don't think DD overpaid in the trade, but lets have a look at what a similar package from the RS may have looked like: Tanner Houck FV45 MLB Josh Winckowski FV40 AA (by soxprospects) Bradley Blalock FV35+ blogs.fangraphs.com/phillies-attempt-to-address-pitching-problems-on-deadline-day/"his .267 BABIP allowed is a career-low, and his 9.9% HR/FB rate is the second-lowest mark for his career. He’s surely benefitted from good defense behind him, (...) fielders have produced eight Outs Above Average while Gibson is on the hill, the fifth-most of any pitcher. (...) only strikes out 20% of batters " Kennedy btw had a really nice season (0.4 WAR) but imploded after the trade (-0.4 WAR). That would have been a bit steep for half a season of Kennedy and 1.5 of Gibson. I posted an article about a month ago that compared war values in the deadline trades over the past 5 yrs. It was incredibly skewed towards the MLB players who were traded vs the prospects in those trades. I will try to find it but the war comparison wasn't even close. It was eye opening and made me realize that the difference between a MLB player vs a prospect was far and away in the favor of the MLB players. To the point that prospects are a dime a dozen. Very few prospects make it is the bottom line. Don't get me wrong I don't really mind what the Sox did at the deadline this year but at the same time I now realize that prospects are not as valuable as I thought. I understand building the system up but you can't be afraid of trading and as of right now Gibson has more value than all but a few Sox prospects. But that doesn't take into consideration that the team, even with Gibson, was going to win in the playoffs.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 25, 2021 16:46:52 GMT -5
He could implode but hear me out as he was my pick for a July deal. 1. His value isn't regarded as being as high as he has performed because of his career stats so I get why you say he will implode. But it is for that very reason that you get him for a reasonable package of prospects based on what he has done this season. 2. There is a reason for his success as he changed his approach and added a pitch so he isn't the same pitcher he has always been. 3. He is signed for a reasonable amount for next year and if he continues to pitch at this level it is an absolute steal. So yeah everyone said he would implode but he hasn't and based on your #s he would have the best fwar of any deadline player this year. JS Well since a trade did happen I will to the FV comparison, just for arguments sake... Kyle Gibson Ian Kennedy Hans Crouse P FV45 AA for Spencer Howard SP FV50 MLB Kevin Gowdy SP FV40 A+ Josh Gessner P FV35+ RK Now granted, I don't think DD overpaid in the trade, but lets have a look at what a similar package from the RS may have looked like: Tanner Houck FV45 MLB Josh Winckowski FV40 AA (by soxprospects) Bradley Blalock FV35+ blogs.fangraphs.com/phillies-attempt-to-address-pitching-problems-on-deadline-day/"his .267 BABIP allowed is a career-low, and his 9.9% HR/FB rate is the second-lowest mark for his career. He’s surely benefitted from good defense behind him, (...) fielders have produced eight Outs Above Average while Gibson is on the hill, the fifth-most of any pitcher. (...) only strikes out 20% of batters " Kennedy btw had a really nice season (0.4 WAR) but imploded after the trade (-0.4 WAR). That would have been a bit steep for half a season of Kennedy and 1.5 of Gibson. Here is the article. Tell me after reading this that it doesn't make you more interested in trading away prospects/suspects for ML players. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/07/26/mlb-trade-deadline-history-dealing-prospects-rumors/8075954002/
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 25, 2021 17:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 25, 2021 17:21:01 GMT -5
He just gets it on so many levels.
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Post by cdj on Aug 25, 2021 17:42:26 GMT -5
YES!
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Post by manfred on Aug 25, 2021 17:54:18 GMT -5
That is tough. He’s looked good as a starter. But he could be an insane reliever, and he seems to have that killer instinct. Where does he provide the greater value?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 25, 2021 17:59:36 GMT -5
I don't even know if you are being serious with this reply or not. I will just say the conversation has nothing to do with what is happening at 1b right now. Dalbec, Shaw, & Schwarber need to be in the lineup every night. Which puts JD on the bench. Of course, keeping Shaw at 2B takes care of it Shaw is too fat to play 2b. Needs to mix in some veggies
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 25, 2021 18:02:22 GMT -5
Switch JD and Hunter and I love it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 25, 2021 18:11:04 GMT -5
wow for me. During warmup I usually just see MLB ads. Today I saw an interview with Kiké Hernandezwho's quite personable. Three other people in the room who I have no clue who they are. Then they went to a Sports Center type setting with a white guy and a blck guy. I'm guessing Tom Carron and Jim Rice. That was mostly yada,yada,yada stuff.
New experience for me.
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Post by cdj on Aug 25, 2021 18:11:06 GMT -5
That is tough. He’s looked good as a starter. But he could be an insane reliever, and he seems to have that killer instinct. Where does he provide the greater value? I think you revisit him as a starter next year but at this point this season I think he gives you much more value putting out the fires caused by our dumpster fire of a bullpen
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Post by cdj on Aug 25, 2021 18:24:46 GMT -5
Nice recovery Pivetta
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Post by Guidas on Aug 25, 2021 18:25:13 GMT -5
Whew.
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Post by jbuttah on Aug 25, 2021 18:26:29 GMT -5
Loved him as a player, but as an announcer Burks is Captain Obvious.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 25, 2021 18:31:42 GMT -5
Loved him as a player, but as an announcer Burks is Captain Obvious. He did have a curious comment about ballet last night.
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Post by cdj on Aug 25, 2021 18:32:56 GMT -5
Trash umpire
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Post by fanofredsox on Aug 25, 2021 18:33:14 GMT -5
I think Houck & Pivetta should be split up in the rotation. They look to similar to me
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Post by Guidas on Aug 25, 2021 18:39:40 GMT -5
This is a joke, right. Come on - Pivetta, concetrate.
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Post by cdj on Aug 25, 2021 18:40:25 GMT -5
This umpire is an asshole
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 25, 2021 18:42:39 GMT -5
This umpire is an asshole What i miss?
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Post by nomar on Aug 25, 2021 18:43:07 GMT -5
Sale and Eovaldi are the only pitchers on the team that are easy to watch right now. This umpire is an asshole What i miss? Really squeezing Pivetta
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Post by jimoh on Aug 25, 2021 18:44:37 GMT -5
Sale and Eovaldi are the only pitchers on the team that are easy to watch right now. Really squeezing Pivetta And called Bogaerts out looking on a non-strike.
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