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Post by jaffinator on Aug 29, 2021 17:17:00 GMT -5
There's a scenario in which he ends the 2022 season at AAA. That would be fairly close to the Mookie treatment. My head says "slow the hell down" and my heart says "why the hell should I?"
Truly a remarkably first season for Yorke. Again, really shows that defaulting to just picking pitchers because of Coronavirus is not the right move.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 29, 2021 17:18:56 GMT -5
It's not often that you see a kid get promoted and immediately hit even better at the next level.
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Post by homerdante on Aug 29, 2021 17:19:19 GMT -5
This kid might be Bregman at the dish, sheeeeeesh I'll never stop hearing the Vandy coach when asked about if he was surprised how well Yorke had started out: "No. We had him as the best high school hitter in the country." Love to see it!
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 29, 2021 17:28:55 GMT -5
Stephen Scott .376/.477/.688 in 111 Greenville PAs.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 29, 2021 17:47:11 GMT -5
Niko with his first home run
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Post by radiohix on Aug 29, 2021 19:05:09 GMT -5
What do you guys think?
| BA | OPS | BB% | K% | IsoP | SB | CS | Gilberto Jimenez | .304 | .749 | 4.2% | 20.4% | .097 | 13 | 8 | Ceddanne Rafaela | .249 | .744 | 6.6% | 17.8% | .189 | 21 | 2 |
Rafaela has been playing some impressive OF defense and can play the infield too, he's also a few months younger. So why is GJ is considered a lock to be added to the 40-man roster while Rafaela is not?
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Post by nomar on Aug 29, 2021 19:16:14 GMT -5
Stephen Scott .376/.477/.688 in 111 Greenville PAs. Any report on his catching this year?
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Post by radiohix on Aug 29, 2021 19:26:42 GMT -5
It's not often that you see a kid get promoted and immediately hit even better at the next level. The fact that he left an offense-suppressing ball park in Salem's helps.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 29, 2021 19:55:10 GMT -5
what’s his eta in portland if he stays like this? he can’t start there in 2022, right? it’s ridiculous but is it? A 2021 Portland cup of coffee would be ridiculous.
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Post by cdj on Aug 29, 2021 20:19:27 GMT -5
What do you guys think?
| BA | OPS | BB% | K% | IsoP | SB | CS | Gilberto Jimenez | .304 | .749 | 4.2% | 20.4% | .097 | 13 | 8 | Ceddanne Rafaela | .249 | .744 | 6.6% | 17.8% | .189 | 21 | 2 |
Rafaela has been playing some impressive OF defense and can play the infield too, he's also a few months younger. So why is GJ is considered a lock to be added to the 40-man roster while Rafaela is not? Probably just prospect pedigree at this point. One guys been on the map for a couple of years now and has been in the top 10, Rafaela is just kind of emerging now. I’m sure he’s going to have some helium when they rerank next on this site though. He’s for sure a prospect I’m excited about, perhaps my favorite sleeper prospect in the system. Cedanne just seems quite unique. It’s also worth nothing there’s a decent chance Gilberto was playing through something earlier this season. Fascinating comparison and an interesting point raised
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 29, 2021 20:49:46 GMT -5
What do you guys think?
| BA | OPS | BB% | K% | IsoP | SB | CS | Gilberto Jimenez | .304 | .749 | 4.2% | 20.4% | .097 | 13 | 8 | Ceddanne Rafaela | .249 | .744 | 6.6% | 17.8% | .189 | 21 | 2 |
Rafaela has been playing some impressive OF defense and can play the infield too, he's also a few months younger. So why is GJ is considered a lock to be added to the 40-man roster while Rafaela is not? Probably just prospect pedigree at this point. One guys been on the map for a couple of years now and has been in the top 10, Rafaela is just kind of emerging now. I’m sure he’s going to have some helium when they rerank next on this site though. He’s for sure a prospect I’m excited about, perhaps my favorite sleeper prospect in the system. Cedanne just seems quite unique. It’s also worth nothing there’s a decent chance Gilberto was playing through something earlier this season. Fascinating comparison and an interesting point raised It was Alex Speier who first pointed out Cedanne a few years ago and I believe had him in the BA Top 20. That would have been prior to Gilberto's rise and a shocker at the time. Gilberto's helium is mostly based on the five tools aspect. I view it as Gilberto has the better tools and therefore a higher ceiling but he's still a bit on the raw side. Cedanne has the more refined approach and raw doesn't enter the picture and therefore the higher floor.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 29, 2021 20:52:16 GMT -5
What do you guys think?
| BA | OPS | BB% | K% | IsoP | SB | CS | Gilberto Jimenez | .304 | .749 | 4.2% | 20.4% | .097 | 13 | 8 | Ceddanne Rafaela | .249 | .744 | 6.6% | 17.8% | .189 | 21 | 2 |
Rafaela has been playing some impressive OF defense and can play the infield too, he's also a few months younger. So why is GJ is considered a lock to be added to the 40-man roster while Rafaela is not? Probably just prospect pedigree at this point. One guys been on the map for a couple of years now and has been in the top 10, Rafaela is just kind of emerging now. I’m sure he’s going to have some helium when they rerank next on this site though. He’s for sure a prospect I’m excited about, perhaps my favorite sleeper prospect in the system. Cedanne just seems quite unique. It’s also worth nothing there’s a decent chance Gilberto was playing through something earlier this season. Fascinating comparison and an interesting point raised Never do that again my man: The term "unique" can only be used to describe Nick Yorke 😉 Re: Rafaela, Alex Speier was high on him more than most even when he was in the GCL, in fact I've never heard of him till he surprisingly popped up in his 2019 list. Here's a few examples: ![](https://i.ibb.co/r3WBj51/Screenshot-51.png) Considering how well connected Speier is with the Red Sox development guys, I think he's viewed more highly inside the organization than by the prospects outlets.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 29, 2021 20:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 29, 2021 21:58:03 GMT -5
Probably just prospect pedigree at this point. One guys been on the map for a couple of years now and has been in the top 10, Rafaela is just kind of emerging now. I’m sure he’s going to have some helium when they rerank next on this site though. He’s for sure a prospect I’m excited about, perhaps my favorite sleeper prospect in the system. Cedanne just seems quite unique. It’s also worth nothing there’s a decent chance Gilberto was playing through something earlier this season. Fascinating comparison and an interesting point raised Never do that again my man: The term "unique" can only be used to describe Nick Yorke 😉 Re: Rafaela, Alex Speier was high on him more than most even when he was in the GCL, in fact I've never heard of him till he surprisingly popped up in his 2019 list. Here's a few examples: ![](https://i.ibb.co/r3WBj51/Screenshot-51.png) Considering how well connected Speier is with the Red Sox development guys, I think he's viewed more highly inside the organization than by the prospects outlets. Someone please show that photo to Jarren Duran...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 29, 2021 22:02:26 GMT -5
Alex had him in the midseason top 30 in 2019 and then didn't have him in the handbook top 30.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 30, 2021 11:22:38 GMT -5
Probably just prospect pedigree at this point. One guys been on the map for a couple of years now and has been in the top 10, Rafaela is just kind of emerging now. I’m sure he’s going to have some helium when they rerank next on this site though. He’s for sure a prospect I’m excited about, perhaps my favorite sleeper prospect in the system. Cedanne just seems quite unique. It’s also worth nothing there’s a decent chance Gilberto was playing through something earlier this season. Fascinating comparison and an interesting point raised It was Alex Speier who first pointed out Cedanne a few years ago and I believe had him in the BA Top 20. That would have been prior to Gilberto's rise and a shocker at the time. Gilberto's helium is mostly based on the five tools aspect. I view it as Gilberto has the better tools and therefore a higher ceiling but he's still a bit on the raw side. Cedanne has the more refined approach and raw doesn't enter the picture and therefore the higher floor. Was there ever really a FIVE tools aspect with Jimenez? I mean, the hope is that he begins to develop beyond a slap hitter but I don't think anyone ever anticipated him developing legitimate power.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 30, 2021 11:50:06 GMT -5
It was Alex Speier who first pointed out Cedanne a few years ago and I believe had him in the BA Top 20. That would have been prior to Gilberto's rise and a shocker at the time. Gilberto's helium is mostly based on the five tools aspect. I view it as Gilberto has the better tools and therefore a higher ceiling but he's still a bit on the raw side. Cedanne has the more refined approach and raw doesn't enter the picture and therefore the higher floor. Was there ever really a FIVE tools aspect with Jimenez? I mean, the hope is that he begins to develop beyond a slap hitter but I don't think anyone ever anticipated him developing legitimate power. You are nitpicking.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 30, 2021 11:59:42 GMT -5
Was there ever really a FIVE tools aspect with Jimenez? I mean, the hope is that he begins to develop beyond a slap hitter but I don't think anyone ever anticipated him developing legitimate power. You are nitpicking. I mean, you're the one that said it... If I were REALLY nitpicking, I would say the fielding projection has also always been a bit of a stretch given how bad his natural instincts appear to be out there. But the power thing was just never really a consideration while it's easy to see why there's potential in the field, so I don't really think I'm nitpicking as much as what you said was just incorrect.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 30, 2021 13:22:09 GMT -5
He's shown good raw from the right side but he's regressed from that side this season based on the numbers.
They've tried to work on his swing from the left to make it less slappy but that hasn't taken. If you told me there was plus raw in there I wouldn't argue with you, but the question is whether he'll ever be able to get to that in-game.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 30, 2021 15:19:41 GMT -5
I mean, you're the one that said it... If I were REALLY nitpicking, I would say the fielding projection has also always been a bit of a stretch given how bad his natural instincts appear to be out there. But the power thing was just never really a consideration while it's easy to see why there's potential in the field, so I don't really think I'm nitpicking as much as what you said was just incorrect. When someone prefers to pick out a particular detail that whether or not is true doesn't alter the general concept of a post, it's nitpicking. You are a nitpicker.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 30, 2021 19:18:08 GMT -5
Please, let's have lots more discussion of the nature of nitpicking.
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