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8/30-9/2 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 1, 2021 21:33:26 GMT -5
Joey Gallo is 15 for 108 with the Yankees.
I see that the fourth best prospect they gave up had a 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K major league debut the other day
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 1, 2021 21:37:38 GMT -5
Much needed win. Big hit by Duran. Shutdown relief by Ottavino. Nice Houdini acts by Whitlock. Good job by Sale.
This was the game they absolutely had to win. They don't gain on NY but they gain a game on Oakland.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 1, 2021 21:38:38 GMT -5
Really liked the grit tonight. Sale was battling, Whitlock was battling, and Otto made it look easy for a change. Rays made about as many mistakes as the Sox (Thanks Margot). We may have got a little diamond luck for a change. Just need to have E-rod give us a great performance tomorrow and all of a sudden the outlook begins to brighten. Yankees call ups helped them during their outbreak. Duran got it done for us tonight.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2021 21:41:57 GMT -5
I missed most of the game (had to do a 2 hour gardening Zoom), but rejoined the game just in time to see Duran bring in Raffi - and Ottavino's clean inning - so great timing (and always a relief to know I am not responsible for them losing - no jinx!). GREAT win.
Looking at the box, seems Sale and Whitlock and - VAZQUEZ - were the other stars.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 1, 2021 21:43:14 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Sept 1, 2021 21:49:33 GMT -5
Nice (and typical) of Sale to give props to Lopez.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 1, 2021 21:53:11 GMT -5
Nick Yorke will give you better at bats than Lopez. Radiohix will give you better at bats than Lopez.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 1, 2021 21:55:58 GMT -5
This is one for the comically-negative-gameday-thread-that-ends-in-a-win hall of fame.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 1, 2021 22:11:42 GMT -5
YYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSS !!!! I feel alive !!!!! wasn't that by the Hollies? Oh no that was I'm Alive.
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Post by manfred on Sept 1, 2021 22:39:20 GMT -5
I came late for the apologies to my man Jarren,
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 1, 2021 22:54:37 GMT -5
Wow. I think Ottavino having a clean inning was almost as surprising as Duran coming through with the big hit. Nice win! Not to mention a rocking-chair inning against three left-handed hitters. He was terrible against lefties not so long ago. He's famous for his slider but when his fastball is on, it's his best pitch (maybe because batters are keying on the slider). Would love to see more of this Ottavino.
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Post by soxinsf on Sept 1, 2021 23:27:46 GMT -5
Wow. I think Ottavino having a clean inning was almost as surprising as Duran coming through with the big hit. Nice win! Not to mention a rocking-chair inning against three left-handed hitters. He was terrible against lefties not so long ago. He's famous for his slider but when his fastball is on, it's his best pitch (maybe because batters are keying on the slider). Would love to see more of this Ottavino.
We all would. Ottovino was fully rested for this appearance. A closer cannot work every fourth day. My worry is that he is going to get overused just liked Barnes. And O is not young. If we need a closer tomorrow, who will it be? Barnes? Robles? Or will they go back to Ottovino? I would use a rested Richards first. Brasier is back. What is your guess?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 2, 2021 0:11:14 GMT -5
Not to mention a rocking-chair inning against three left-handed hitters. He was terrible against lefties not so long ago. He's famous for his slider but when his fastball is on, it's his best pitch (maybe because batters are keying on the slider). Would love to see more of this Ottavino.
We all would. Ottovino was fully rested for this appearance. A closer cannot work every fourth day. My worry is that he is going to get overused just liked Barnes. And O is not young. If we need a closer tomorrow, who will it be? Barnes? Robles? Or will they go back to Ottovino? I would use a rested Richards first. Brasier is back. What is your guess? Barnes is one of eight guys with Covid. The bullpen is a mess
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Post by blizzards39 on Sept 2, 2021 0:35:01 GMT -5
Joey Gallo is 15 for 108 with the Yankees. I see that the fourth best prospect they gave up had a 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K major league debut the other day Meanwhile Schwarber is 17 for 50 with a 492oba
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Post by patford on Sept 2, 2021 9:28:41 GMT -5
Joey Gallo is 15 for 108 with the Yankees. I see that the fourth best prospect they gave up had a 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K major league debut the other day Meanwhile Schwarber is 17 for 50 with a 492oba Bloom made the best trade at the deadline. Idiots like John"click bait"Tomase should be ignored. The Sox have all kinds of problems. The deadline moves aren't one of them.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 2, 2021 11:01:34 GMT -5
Meanwhile Schwarber is 17 for 50 with a 492oba Bloom made the best trade at the deadline. Idiots like John"click bait"Tomase should be ignored. The Sox have all kinds of problems. The deadline moves aren't one of them. Did nothing to take care of their biggest issue. Not to rehash it but I certainly wouldn't say he had the best deadline. I like Schwarber even though he can't play 1st.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 2, 2021 11:16:21 GMT -5
Meanwhile Schwarber is 17 for 50 with a 492oba Bloom made the best trade at the deadline. Idiots like John"click bait"Tomase should be ignored. The Sox have all kinds of problems. The deadline moves aren't one of them. I think the truth is that it wasn't as bad as many people, myself included, thought. Schwarber was a slam dunk. Don't know of anybody that didn't like that trade. I thought they needed a 1b, didn't have to be Rizzo. They didn't get one, but Dalbec got hot. Didn't fix the defense issues they have at 1b, though and it has cost them at various times. So Bloom kind of won the non-gamble there, although not defensively. But I don't really agree with the victory laps. The bullpen was overworked and was predictably going to run into problems, and this was before Covid. No, Kimbrel wasn't the answer and Hand didn't pitch well, but there have been a lot of under the radar relievers who have been traded and have helped their teams. Bloom did try that but he chose poorly. Robles is more of an arsonist than a help and Davis hasn't helped. In his biggest moment he blew an 8th inning lead. So the bullpen really wasn't helped and with Barnes imploding, so did the rest of the pen. Schwarber is a great offensive player, but is more of a DH and creates the issue of JDM in the outfield too often at times, further weakening a terrible defense. So I don't think Bloom should get the blame he gets but he shouldn't be getting the applause either beyond getting the bat of Schwarber and not overpaying for a Kimbrel or some other big name. So basically I wouldn't give him an A or an F. He gets a C, for getting the best bat, but not help the pitching or defense at all, even incrementally.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 2, 2021 11:20:41 GMT -5
There are 257 MLB players with 65+ PA since the trade deadline, 8.5 players per team. So that's the correct cutoff.
Rank in wRC+ and fWAR / PA of some players:
Bobby Dalbec 1, 4 Kyle Schwarber 8, 31 Joey Gallo, 169, 172 Anthony Rizzo, 213, 232
It's been clear that a big part of the Sox August fade has been the performance of the three established hitting studs. But the numbers are even more startling than you'd think.
This is wRC+ (rank), rank in fWAR / PA:
Dalbec 214 (1), 4 Schwarber 187 (8), 31 Renfroe 158 (22), 36 Hernandez 153 (28), 18 Verdugo 149 (36), 48
Bogaerts 106 (128), 103 Devers 100 (144), 135 Martinez 97 (159), 186
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Post by incandenza on Sept 2, 2021 12:15:43 GMT -5
It's pretty uncanny how precisely the players who carried them early in the season (remember when only the big 3 could hit and we had a lock-down bullpen?) have faded, and precisely the players who started out slow (the hitters listed above, plus the reconstituted of the starting rotation) have all been on fire.
On balance that should be fine. Like, look at those wRC+'s: take those 8 guys plus the catcher and that's an absolutely nuclear lineup, and the SP performance should compensate for the bullpen's disintegration. Which goes to show how much of their problem has been timely hitting and defense.
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Post by gerry on Sept 2, 2021 12:18:45 GMT -5
Bloom made the best trade at the deadline. Idiots like John"click bait"Tomase should be ignored. The Sox have all kinds of problems. The deadline moves aren't one of them. Did nothing to take care of their biggest issue. Not to rehash it but I certainly wouldn't say he had the best deadline. I like Schwarber even though he can't play 1st. What was their biggest issue? Not saying Bloom aced the deadline, but taking a step back: 1B? Rookie Dalbec had already begun turning the corner and had a better August than any of them. Rizzo missed nearly as much time as Schwarber and cost many times more. Schwarber is hitting better than all of them and is learning 1B as a LHB. The mayor has also done pretty well since coming home. Nothingâs perfect but 1B since the deadline has simply not been an issue. SP? Sale and Houck were enormous adds to Eovaldi, ERod and Pivetta of the leagueâs best curve ball. Who knew. Unfortunate that the Sox great SP depth of Seabold, Mata, Ward were injured while both Perez and Richards deteriorated. Itâs a better Rotation since the deadline, and Seabold is again in the wings. RP? Thereâs the conundrum. This overworked group has been crashing and burning and needed a big arm and didnât get one. Well, Robles actually is a big arm and came to the Sox w eleven saves and strong pedigree (the type of move the Rays might make, ditto for Davis). Too bad, though we should be really pleased by the work of Richards and Perez in the Pen. Bloom missed there. With CoVid injuries we at least get to see what guys like Brasier, Valdez, Seabold, Espinal, Gonsalves, maybe Feltman and Bazardo can do. IMO we canât judge anyone by one action or two that doesnât work out. We would all be doomed. I remain impressed with Bloom. His picks of Renfroe, Schwarber, Dugie, Kiké, Arroyo, Shaw, Ottavino, Whitlock, Sawamura, Pivetta & Seabold, Richards, Perez, Valdez, Rios all contributed to this amazing rebound season, and many will continue to do so for the Sox. These moves are all Bloom wins of some sort. That he isnât perfect is ok by me. I am not going to cast the first stone. That he didnât get Rizzo or Maeda is fine by me. That we have his picks like Seabold, Wu-Yeland, Yorke, Jordan, Marcello proving themselves is better than fine. It seems a good time to move on past the deadline; and maybe remember how this projected 70-80W team held onto 1st place for 4 of the seasonâs 5 months so far and still hold a playoff berth. Pardon the rant.
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 2, 2021 14:06:54 GMT -5
Bloom did fine. Probably a B- for most fans at the time, B+ now. And maybe Covid hardship will inspire the team to get on a hot streak. I do wonder how many are vaccinated (read: will clear it faster and recover faster without much down time).
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 2, 2021 14:08:25 GMT -5
Ericmvan - Im going to hold onto my anti-Dalbec as every day player narrative for this season, if he can go next year without a single negative WAR month, Ill be sold.
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Post by cdj on Sept 2, 2021 14:38:23 GMT -5
Renfroe 9 Schwarber DH Martinez 7 Devers 5 Dalbec 3 Vazquez 2 Santana 8 Lopez 4 Arauz 6
That’s 5 hitter Funky Bob to you
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 2, 2021 14:51:19 GMT -5
BOBBY GOING DEEP TONIGHT!
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Sept 2, 2021 14:52:56 GMT -5
Renfroe 9 Schwarber DH Martinez 7 Devers 5 Dalbec 3 Vazquez 2 Santana 8 Lopez 4 Arauz 6 That’s 5 hitter Funky Bob to you That looks a lot more like “spring training” than “playoff push” to me, especially up the middle, but what do I know?
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