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9/10-9/12 Red Sox @ White Sox Series Thread
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 10, 2021 13:21:20 GMT -5
Its just a bad look with this organization. Really its 10 times worse than the Chicken and Beer nonsense. They aren't taking a pandemic that has killed millions seriously. All of these guys are extremely lucky they aren't headed towards ventilators which does make me believe that a lot of the guys were smart and got vaxxed. Guys who aren't vaxxed shouldn't be allowed to play until they comply. This is ridiculous and very selfish. I'm sure the Sox have over 100 employees so now the choice is out of their hands. Comply or give up your profession. Its the right move and guys need to fall in line, be adults and get the shot. Do their part to save lives. You don't know this.
Also, put buckets of money on the vaccine mandate being litigated nearly immediately so there will almost certainly be a Legal Stay Order in effect which will prevent an employer from actually enforcing President Biden's mandate.
But yeah, it stinks that the Sox have a lot of sick players. If this virus wasn't, ya' know, so...viral, it would be a better world.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2021 13:22:51 GMT -5
Look⦠Iâm psycho about getting vaxxed, masks etc. As judgey as it gets, far more than appropriate for a board like this. Buuuttt⦠we donât know why this is happening to the Sox. Breakthrough cases happen. It is best to reserve judgement if we donât know what is going on. There is a chance this is bad luck. I hear ya, I'm not blaming anyone specifically. After all the hard work Chis sale put in to get back to help the team, I'm sure no one feels worse about not being able to take his turn in the rotation. I just would like to know how is it that just the Red Sox are seeing so many breakthrough cases? Are the tight confines of Fenway in part to blame with the smaller dugouts, cramped club house, etc. Kiké apparently got his at the tail end of the homestand before the team left for the road trip to CLE. Perhaps players are more susceptible to exposure while at home. I think on the road MLB have protocols in place limiting where players were allowed to go. Whatever. I guess the players are used to the next man up mentality by now. Hopefully Sale only misses 1 start and this doesn't sap his strength in his next start. Well, if Sale is unvaccinated he automatically misses 10 days right? And apparently he had a mild case back in January and it seems pretty unlikely that he would have gotten it again if he already had antibodies from a previous infection and was vaccinated. Having already been infected might have led him to think he didn't need to be vaccinated either.
It sucks to have to speculate like this, but it matters to the team's playoff hopes and this is how the players wanted it.
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Post by manfred on Sept 10, 2021 13:27:02 GMT -5
I hear ya, I'm not blaming anyone specifically. After all the hard work Chis sale put in to get back to help the team, I'm sure no one feels worse about not being able to take his turn in the rotation. I just would like to know how is it that just the Red Sox are seeing so many breakthrough cases? Are the tight confines of Fenway in part to blame with the smaller dugouts, cramped club house, etc. Kiké apparently got his at the tail end of the homestand before the team left for the road trip to CLE. Perhaps players are more susceptible to exposure while at home. I think on the road MLB have protocols in place limiting where players were allowed to go. Whatever. I guess the players are used to the next man up mentality by now. Hopefully Sale only misses 1 start and this doesn't sap his strength in his next start. Well, if Sale is unvaccinated he automatically misses 10 days right? And apparently he had a mild case back in January and it seems pretty unlikely that he would have gotten it again if he already had antibodies from a previous infection and was vaccinated. Having already been infected might have led him to think he didn't need to be vaccinated either.
It sucks to have to speculate like this, but it matters to the team's playoff hopes and this is how the players wanted it.
Do we have to speculate? Why? Can’t we just say it is what it is since a) we don’t know *why* it is and b) nothing changes if we did? Just hope the Jack Lopezes of the world can limp them through a tough patch.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 10, 2021 13:52:08 GMT -5
Look… I’m psycho about getting vaxxed, masks etc. As judgey as it gets, far more than appropriate for a board like this. Buuuttt… we don’t know why this is happening to the Sox. Breakthrough cases happen. It is best to reserve judgement if we don’t know what is going on. There is a chance this is bad luck. Well put.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 10, 2021 13:54:19 GMT -5
Glass half full: The Sox had a better winning % before Sale joined the team.
Correlation and causation be damned!
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2021 14:05:01 GMT -5
Well, if Sale is unvaccinated he automatically misses 10 days right? And apparently he had a mild case back in January and it seems pretty unlikely that he would have gotten it again if he already had antibodies from a previous infection and was vaccinated. Having already been infected might have led him to think he didn't need to be vaccinated either.
It sucks to have to speculate like this, but it matters to the team's playoff hopes and this is how the players wanted it.
Do we have to speculate? Why? Can’t we just say it is what it is since a) we don’t know *why* it is and b) nothing changes if we did? Just hope the Jack Lopezes of the world can limp them through a tough patch. Do anyone of us have to comment on the internet about baseball at all?
It's at least as relevant as most of what we talk about here. But you're right that there's not much to say about it, and it's not much fun anyway, so I won't.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 10, 2021 14:37:42 GMT -5
What are the odds that Winckowski or Bello get the call to fill in for Sale (or even tonight, since neither of them has pitched in a blue moon)? As I understand it, under the covid rules you can call guys up for emergencies, regardless of their 40-man status, without having to pass them through waivers to go back off the 40-man.
EDIT: In other words, a free chance to throw one of these two into the fire and hope they show you more than Crawford did.
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Post by manfred on Sept 10, 2021 14:44:23 GMT -5
Look… I’m psycho about getting vaxxed, masks etc. As judgey as it gets, far more than appropriate for a board like this. Buuuttt… we don’t know why this is happening to the Sox. Breakthrough cases happen. It is best to reserve judgement if we don’t know what is going on. There is a chance this is bad luck. Well put. Nah. Just caught me right after meds.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 10, 2021 14:47:22 GMT -5
I've got Fri Houck Sat Seabold Sun ERod Mon Evo Tue pivetta Wed Houck
Until proven otherwise
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 10, 2021 14:50:36 GMT -5
What are we - 16 days into this COVID odyssey? And no end in sight to this madness. I predict the Red Sox will be held up as the poster child for NFL and other sports league teams as to what can happen if teams don't mandate vaccinations and adhere to strict protocols. I believe no other team in MLB has had this many players shelved over a 2 week span, where the inability to quell outbreaks has posed a very real threat to blowing up their season. It's beyond maddening. You always hate to use injuries and illnesses as excuses for a team not being able to make it to the post-season. No one will accept this as an excuse. Not when it's the Red Sox (team and players) own fault, and the vast majority of other teams seem to be able to easily navigate this new normal and greatly limit the impacts of the pandemic and outbreaks within their ranks. And it wouldn't surprise me if a portion of the Red Sox fanbase checks out on this team if this DOESN"T STOP NOW! Rationale being - many are tired of this and why invest their time and energy supporting this team any longer this season when apparently not everyone at the club is pulling in the same direction and doing what is necessary to quell this? About a week ago I wondered whether this was going to stretch into October, and someone on here jokingly suggested that at least then the team might have herd immunity. I'm beginning to think that may wind up being the team's only salvation, but it could very well be too little too late. The team's handling of this is a travesty. I'd add that it'll be easier for people to get frustrated with the team over the Covid situation because the team's play has been SO DAMN FRUSTRATING. They built a big lead over the MFYs, had one of the best records in BB in the first half, were enjoyable to watch, and seemed to be writing a magical, 2013-type story. Then they started losing games in unimaginable ways and now have to struggle just to get a cheesy WC spot. It's occurred to me in the last couple of weeks that I'd be glad when the season ends however it's going to end and I can just focus on the Patriots. At least, they can only annoy the crap out of me once a week, not every night. Now we have the additional frustration of seeing star players on the sidelines while the RS are one of a handful of organizations that can't get 85 percent of its players to follow common-sense, public-health advice and get vaxed.
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 10, 2021 15:23:30 GMT -5
Do we have to speculate? Why? Can’t we just say it is what it is since a) we don’t know *why* it is and b) nothing changes if we did? Just hope the Jack Lopezes of the world can limp them through a tough patch. Do anyone of us have to comment on the internet about baseball at all?
It's at least as relevant as most of what we talk about here. But you're right that there's not much to say about it, and it's not much fun anyway, so I won't.
Fair, everyone is looking for a scapegoat. I guess it's part of the conditioning of being a Red Sox fan over time. When things go wrong we immediately start pointing fingers in every direction hoping something sticks, even though to Manfred's point, it truly doesn't matter what any of us think and nothing we say is going to influence the product on the field.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 10, 2021 15:27:43 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2021 15:52:00 GMT -5
Look… I’m psycho about getting vaxxed, masks etc. As judgey as it gets, far more than appropriate for a board like this. Buuuttt… we don’t know why this is happening to the Sox. Breakthrough cases happen. It is best to reserve judgement if we don’t know what is going on. There is a chance this is bad luck. *** Actually, in Israel, one of the most vaxxed countries in the world, 80% of the cases are reportedly breakthroughs. It happens with mutations all the time. For context, just look at all the people who still get the flu after getting a flu shot (and by the CDC's own numbers, the 2018 flu vaccine was less than 25% effective). Plus, this is a virus, so it will be with us forever because it will continue to mutate. The good news: On the whole, those who've gotten the vaccine have gotten less sick and recovered faster. Also, they know a lot more about this disease now than this time last year and there are treatments to keep most people who do get sick and hospitalized from dying. In fact, if you look at the profiles across countries, from the onset of the disease to today, the profile of the people who do die is individual, predominantly (though not overwhelmingly) male who are over 79 years of age, have at least two significant co-morbidities and comprise approximately 1 percent of the people who do catch it and display symptoms (oh, and for the "don't give me stats, show me the intangibles!" people here - if there are any of you left - that means if you get it today, even if you're unvaccinated, you have a 99% chance of recovery). In fact, when adjusted for population, Covid-19 may prove to be about as deadly, or slightly more/less so, worldwide than the 1959-60 "Asian Flu," which killed approximately 1.4-1.7 million people when the earth's population was a third of the size it is today. *** This is what dinner and zoom conversations are like in a family - including my wife - who are front line health care professionals. And I'm like, "Hey, did you guys see Brady last night!?"
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 10, 2021 15:56:58 GMT -5
Thats awful but not shocking given where he has his business.
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Post by ramireja on Sept 10, 2021 16:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Sept 10, 2021 16:23:05 GMT -5
I’m looking on the bright side: I’m excited to see Seabold. Excited to see Ort. Like Arauz. Happy for Lopez.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2021 16:37:23 GMT -5
I’m looking on the bright side: I’m excited to see Seabold. Excited to see Ort. Like Arauz. Happy for Lopez. But nooooooot excited to see Crawford starting again.
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2021 18:36:16 GMT -5
Really wish people would stop posting demonstrably false info about covid that leads to threads being derailed.
Anyway
Hernandez 8 Schwarber 7 Martinez DH Bogaerts!!! 6 Devers 5 Renfroe 9 Dalbec 3 Vazquez 2 Iglesias 4
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2021 18:38:09 GMT -5
Turns out Arauz isn’t being optioned and is going to the covid IL
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 10, 2021 18:45:48 GMT -5
I'm just ready for a baseball game!!!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 10, 2021 18:54:26 GMT -5
Turns out Arauz isn’t being optioned and is going to the covid IL That's the last straw. What to do now ... ?
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2021 18:54:29 GMT -5
JD now scratched
With back spasms, not covid!
Santana playing left and batting 8th
Hernandez Schwarber Renfroe Bogaerts Devers Dalbec Vazquez Santana Iglesias
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 10, 2021 19:01:37 GMT -5
Cora will be manager of the century if he successfully navigates this team deep into the playoffs. Baseball Rubik's cube!
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2021 19:05:37 GMT -5
I wonder if covid impacted how they built this roster- they really prioritized flexibility and that’s coming in handy right now
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 10, 2021 19:09:51 GMT -5
Come on Boys....Tanner needs a W
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