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Post by manfred on Sept 12, 2021 22:35:49 GMT -5
Stadium gun saw him mostly 91-94, touching 95 from what I saw. This video and that from the last game both make it look like whatever his velocity, the ball gets on the batters quickly. Maybe he changes speeds or hides it, but it looks good to me. Pretty psyched about Groome.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 13, 2021 0:49:02 GMT -5
Groome’s ceiling is so much better than seibold. Update the rankings please! Bello/Groome. Who ya got ? After Groome's first AA game, I thought Bello now I think Groome.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 13, 2021 2:04:29 GMT -5
Anyone get a radar gun on Jay Groome today? Or a tape measure? He looks um...big? Maybe he's better that way. Hard to knock the results. He's just a large dude, particularly from the waist to the knees, which is just fine for a starting pitcher. Bit of a beer belly but maybe it's just leftover sympathy weight gain from his wife's recent birth.
Just great to see him putting in a full season of development.
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Post by soxfan511 on Sept 13, 2021 10:33:37 GMT -5
Groome’s ceiling is so much better than seibold. Update the rankings please! Bello/Groome. Who ya got ? After Groome's first AA game, I thought Bello now I think Groome. It’s close but a big lefty with late life on his fastball and a good curve/slider..I think groomes ceiling is higher. Bello is impressive for sure tho. I’d have Groome right above bello
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Post by soxfan511 on Sept 13, 2021 10:35:41 GMT -5
I could care less about Groomes beer belly. He’s an MLB pitcher not a nfl running back
David Wells pitched a perfect game hungover, Clemens had a pot belly for years, cc Sabathia wore a spare tire in his prime
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Post by manfred on Sept 13, 2021 10:36:58 GMT -5
I could care less about Groomes beer belly. He’s an MLB pitcher not a nfl running back David Wells pitched a perfect game hungover, Clemens had a pot belly for years, cc Sabathia wore a spare tire in his prime Yeah… anyone see Lance Lynn yesterday? Not gunna make swimsuit issue.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 13, 2021 10:49:52 GMT -5
I could care less about Groomes beer belly. He’s an MLB pitcher not a nfl running back David Wells pitched a perfect game hungover, Clemens had a pot belly for years, cc Sabathia wore a spare tire in his prime LOL I was totally thinking about David Wells too, though there are plenty of other examples of hefty guys who were work horses for years. Groome carrys' it well though, it's not like he has just a big belly but rather his BF% looks a little higher but spread out. But he looks like there's a lot of muscle under there too, he's a big guy. I'm curious to see what he can do with longer term clean bill of health.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 13, 2021 14:31:11 GMT -5
I love Groome , I can't believe he fell to us that year in the draft. He is healthy and feeling it. Even with the injuries this year we still have pitching to be proud of.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 13, 2021 14:38:37 GMT -5
Bello/Groome. Who ya got ? After Groome's first AA game, I thought Bello now I think Groome. It’s close but a big lefty with late life on his fastball and a good curve/slider..I think groomes ceiling is higher. Bello is impressive for sure tho. I’d have Groome right above bello Take it easy on Seabold. You saw one start where he didn't have is stuff. He was mowing down AAA batters for a reason. He can contribute to the Red Sox and I think there's a viable #4 starter there. I was impressed that even though Seabold didn't have his stuff he did limit the damage and didn't melt down (like Garrett Richards did) when there were baserunners on. I do share your enthusiasm for Groome. He has a pedigree. I mean, when he felt to #12, I felt like the Sox got the 1-1 pick of the draft, just like I feel about Mayer falling to the Red Sox. I need to see Groome stay healthy. I think getting and staying in shape will be more helpful. I get that Mickey Lolich, David Wells, etc can pitch with a dome belly, but I think getting Groome some more time with Chris Sale who has seen the way of good nutrition and the positives it can bring to his performance, etc. would be a good way for more good habits to rub off on Groome. I do have hope that Groome can be a #3 type starter for the Sox, but his record of success in the minors is so limited, which is why I have trouble saying that a guy with a 5 ERA in the lower minors is definitely better than a guy with a 3.5 ERA in the higher minors like Seabold, although he certainly might be. The good thing is that Groome is improving as he goes on so he's definitely trending in the right direction. I don't see why Groome and Seabold both can't eventually be legit options in a rotation within a couple of years. Add in Whitlock and maybe Houck if he's not in the pen, and maybe Bello, and the Sox definitely have options for the rotation coming out of the minors that they haven't had in years.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 14, 2021 10:08:52 GMT -5
I posted in the Groome thread but the 94-96 thing was likely on the stadium gun - he was 90-93, although T96 once, in that start. 89-93 on Sunday.
To be clear, not saying he stinks or something. Just that he's not the pitcher he was pre-TJ. Lower velo, curveball hasn't bounced back, but the change and slider have taken big steps forward.
Just different.
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Post by manfred on Sept 14, 2021 10:15:07 GMT -5
I posted in the Groome thread but the 94-96 thing was likely on the stadium gun - he was 90-93, although T96 once, in that start. 89-93 on Sunday. To be clear, not saying he stinks or something. Just that he's not the pitcher he was pre-TJ. Lower velo, curveball hasn't bounced back, but the change and slider have taken big steps forward. Just different. Do you have any sense that they think he might see a velocity rebound? His fastball appears effective, but it would no doubt help enormously to get another 3-4 mph.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 14, 2021 10:16:54 GMT -5
His TJ was in 2019, so not really? Remember, this is his second full season healthy. Easy to forget given there was no season last year.
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