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Post by gerry on Sept 17, 2021 2:55:49 GMT -5
I'm just glancing at this discussion ...
Yesterday I grabbed the first of a bag of Mineola "Oranges" (actually a type of tangerine, I believe) and it was delicious. Like any citrus fruit, this was likely but by no means certain.
I started eating the mineola exactly when the top of the 10th started. It was uncanny!
My brother, a casual but very appreciative fan, came upstairs a bit later. He looked at the score box and laughed. "We had 4 hits before this inning, and we have five in this inning. You know what happened?" He's expecting some sort of game analysis, of course.
"I started eating this tangerine. Because, you know, they happened at the same time ... and that means there was a causal relationship! Right?"
I don't know who is taking what side in this discussion, but it it turns out that I was unwittingly mocking you, I apologize. 
FYI, there are hundreds of citrus types. The minneola is a long necked tangelo. A tangelo is a cross between a grapefruit and a tangerine (which are currently marketed as “sweeties” and sold in bags at stores). Tangerine was an early marketing name for the Asian derived Mandarin Orange, though that name has almost been forgotten. FYI I grow citrus like you watch movies. I have one tree that is a cross between a Nagami Kumquat and a Mandarin; also delicious, eat it rind and all. I am not mocking you. Tangelo varieties are awesome, and Minneola may be the best. Mandarins/Tangerines used to be called kid glove oranges because they peel easily with gloves on. All citrus taste best right off the tree, but are wonderful any way at all. And DOB, who talks too much as if he is still on radio, may not be a jinx, but in his constant prattling has a noteworthy predilection for saying things that quickly seem to screw the player or the team. It seems quantifiable. So maybe a non-correlated Jinxless jinx? I am not mocking anyone. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2021 3:08:14 GMT -5
I'm just glancing at this discussion ... Yesterday I grabbed the first of a bag of Mineola "Oranges" (actually a type of tangerine, I believe) and it was delicious. Like any citrus fruit, this was likely but by no means certain.
I started eating the mineola exactly when the top of the 10th started. It was uncanny! My brother, a casual but very appreciative fan, came upstairs a bit later. He looked at the score box and laughed. "We had 4 hits before this inning, and we have five in this inning. You know what happened?" He's expecting some sort of game analysis, of course. "I started eating this tangerine. Because, you know, they happened at the same time ... and that means there was a causal relationship! Right?" I don't know who is taking what side in this discussion, but it it turns out that I was unwittingly mocking you, I apologize. FYI, there are hundreds of citrus types. The minneola is a long necked tangelo. A tangelo is a cross between a grapefruit and a tangerine (which are currently marketed as “sweeties” and sold in bags at stores). Tangerine was an early marketing name for the Asian derived Mandarin Orange, though that name has almost been forgotten. FYI I grow citrus like you watch movies. I have one tree that is a cross between a Nagami Kumquat and a Mandarin; also delicious, eat it rind and all. I am not mocking you. Tangelo varieties are awesome, and Minneola may be the best. Mandarins/Tangerines used to be called kid glove oranges because they peel easily with gloves on. All citrus taste best right off the tree, but are wonderful any way at all. And DOB, who talks too much as if he is still on radio, may not be a jinx, but in his constant prattling has a noteworthy predilection for saying things that quickly seem to screw the player or the team. It seems quantifiable. So maybe a non-correlated Jinxless jinx? I am not mocking anyone. We have two trees of a variety of lemon called calamansi. Green, alley marble sized fruit loaded with vitamin C and other nutrients. They are very popular here, people put calamansi on everything and make calamansi juice similar to lemonade there. You literally get calamansi every time you order anything in a restaurant. Two trees is enough for our family and our workers families year round. |
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Post by gerry on Sept 17, 2021 16:51:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip. I will look it up and see if it can grow here. We make gallons of lemon and lime juices and lemonades here. This could be a good change.
FYI, we have a Keffir or Indonesian lime tree, small but prolific. The fruit is weirdly beautiful, and almost juiceless, but the leaves are used (like bay leaves) in Indo, Thai, Vietnamese cooking. I suspect it may also be grown at your place. My wife’s family loves that tree. It is an essential ingredient worth growing.
Yes, am sitting around waiting for the Sox to grab hold and shut down the O’s. HappySale Day I hope. Stay safe.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2021 17:55:27 GMT -5
Thread derail but it's pretty much past anyways. The juice is very potent. I put about 3/8 inch of pure juice in the bottom of a 16 ounce glass and it's still more potent tasting than lemonade there. Here's a link to where you can order them (about 50 pesos =1$): www.lazada.com.ph/products/calamansi-fruit-tree-seeds-i2316157964-s10497218682.html?spm=a2o4l.searchlist.list.12.666e5a116r03tg&search=1Popular here for leaves are malunggay trees. Very medicinal and known to the medical community here (western medical as well as eastern medical). True story. When my wife gave birth to our first, she had a problem producing milk and our baby was being brest fed by the nursing staff (they do that here). The doctor suggested malunggay so I went home, made a malunggay soup and brought it to my wife. Within an hour the faucets were going full blast. Malunggay (camunggay in the local dialect) is easy to grow, put a stick in the ground and it turns into a tree. Fast growing too. There's no real malunggay industry here because pretty much everyone has it all around them but it's sold in the veggie stands. One other story but I don't remember the name of the plant (but could find out). About 15 years ago, I sprained my elbow and it swelled up like Popeye. I went to a doc and he told me all I could do is ibuprofen and wear a sling for 6-8 weeks. Afterwards I was walking in my neighborhood and an old lady asked what was wrong with my arm. I told her and she told me to come back the next day and she would fix it. I asked a friend about her and my friend said if she said she could fix it, she could fix it. Nothing to lose so I tried. When I went back, she put a yellow paste on my arm then a hollowed tree bark and tied it with strings. I asked how much and she said it was up to me but wait a few days to decide. The next day, where the yellow paste was had completely gotten normal and I had full use of my arm. Where there was no paste was still swollen (my hands). I also know of a famous acupuncturist and not one but three people that had multiple recommendations for quadruple bypass surgery or they would be dead within a year. They instead chose acupuncture. I was scared for all three but a year after starting acupuncture, all three received a clean bill of health. Haaha, I won't tell you about the chicken blood ritual for breast cancer or a miracle statue. ADD: If you get a frost you would likely have to protect the calamansi trees. Fish prefer malunggay to store bought fish flakes. |
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Post by gerry on Sept 18, 2021 3:03:43 GMT -5
Agree the thread has moved on, so thanks for the calamansi info. I don’t do many pots but the Indo lime is in a big one on a deck against a south facing wall and is thriving. It is very sensitive to cold and we do have occasional freezes. The heat from that wall has kept it alive for 6-7 winters. That’s where the calamansi will go if I can get it here in SoCal. (An Asian psylid is wreaking havoc with citrus here and in Fla. it may not be importable). I will also check with some local Asian markets for the fruit.
FYI I can also attest to the wisdom and power of such healers. My father in law was a highly respected healer in Sumatra until WWII changed his world. As a POW his deeds were legendary. I have seen him do things that would be considered magical in more urban, “sophisticated” settings. Then again Europeans were equally gifted healers and herbalists just centuries ago and some Native Americans I have met still are. Life is so richly complex, multi-dimensional and inter-connected, right? As a modern American IMO you are fortunate to share and validate the experience; one which is fading fast along with that old lady and my father in law and their contemporaries. Progress??
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 18, 2021 4:47:59 GMT -5
I'm just glancing at this discussion ...
Yesterday I grabbed the first of a bag of Mineola "Oranges" (actually a type of tangerine, I believe) and it was delicious. Like any citrus fruit, this was likely but by no means certain.
I started eating the mineola exactly when the top of the 10th started. It was uncanny!
My brother, a casual but very appreciative fan, came upstairs a bit later. He looked at the score box and laughed. "We had 4 hits before this inning, and we have five in this inning. You know what happened?" He's expecting some sort of game analysis, of course.
"I started eating this tangerine. Because, you know, they happened at the same time ... and that means there was a causal relationship! Right?"
I don't know who is taking what side in this discussion, but it it turns out that I was unwittingly mocking you, I apologize.
FYI, there are hundreds of citrus types. The minneola is a long necked tangelo. A tangelo is a cross between a grapefruit and a tangerine (which are currently marketed as “sweeties” and sold in bags at stores). Tangerine was an early marketing name for the Asian derived Mandarin Orange, though that name has almost been forgotten. FYI I grow citrus like you watch movies. I have one tree that is a cross between a Nagami Kumquat and a Mandarin; also delicious, eat it rind and all. I am not mocking you. Tangelo varieties are awesome, and Minneola may be the best. Mandarins/Tangerines used to be called kid glove oranges because they peel easily with gloves on. All citrus taste best right off the tree, but are wonderful any way at all. And DOB, who talks too much as if he is still on radio, may not be a jinx, but in his constant prattling has a noteworthy predilection for saying things that quickly seem to screw the player or the team. It seems quantifiable. So maybe a non-correlated Jinxless jinx? I am not mocking anyone. I love OJ but have almost no interest in oranges. Any type of tangerine I like ... when minneolas aren't in season I've taken to buying the Halos brand of little citrus which are actually being marketed as Mandrins. I like them better than clemetines, which I haven't seen much of recently. I haven't seen many straight tangelos in a while, either.
I'm a huge white grapefruit fan (I like tart!) and really mourn how pink and red, those bastards, have largely driven them out of the market here in the Boston area.
Best minneloa variety I've had is the Honeybell, grown in FL and shipped very fresh during the winter. My Mon used to gift me with a box every year when she lived in Palm Beach. I'll have to order myself a box this year.
I've never had citrus fresh off the tree. You're lucky!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 18, 2021 5:05:01 GMT -5
FYI, there are hundreds of citrus types. The minneola is a long necked tangelo. A tangelo is a cross between a grapefruit and a tangerine (which are currently marketed as “sweeties” and sold in bags at stores). Tangerine was an early marketing name for the Asian derived Mandarin Orange, though that name has almost been forgotten. FYI I grow citrus like you watch movies. I have one tree that is a cross between a Nagami Kumquat and a Mandarin; also delicious, eat it rind and all. I am not mocking you. Tangelo varieties are awesome, and Minneola may be the best. Mandarins/Tangerines used to be called kid glove oranges because they peel easily with gloves on. All citrus taste best right off the tree, but are wonderful any way at all. And DOB, who talks too much as if he is still on radio, may not be a jinx, but in his constant prattling has a noteworthy predilection for saying things that quickly seem to screw the player or the team. It seems quantifiable. So maybe a non-correlated Jinxless jinx? I am not mocking anyone. I love OJ but have almost no interest in oranges. Any type of tangerine I like ... when minneolas aren't in season I've taken to buying the Halos brand of little citrus which are actually being marketed as Mandrins. I like them better than clemetines, which I haven't seen much of recently. I haven't seen many straight tangelos in a while, either. I'm a huge white grapefruit fan (I like tart!) and really mourn how pink and red, those bastards, have largely driven them out of the market here in the Boston area. Best minneloa variety I've had is the Honeybell, grown in FL and shipped very fresh during the winter. My Mon used to gift me with a box every year when she lived in Palm Beach. I'll have to order myself a box this year.
I've never had citrus fresh off the tree. You're lucky!
I hope you are waiting until after midnight to have your tangerines, per Eric Clapton. We have a grapefruit tree on a bordering lot which hangs over my lot. You would probably love them, very dry and tart, Our family doesn't so my construction workers bring them home. We have 4 avocado and 5 bananna trees (a different variety than you see in the USA) but they aren't producing yet. We constantly have sweet papaya and coconuts which are all around us. Haha, I just throw Papaya seeds out and trees grow (they only last a year or two before they fall over). Looking forward to squash. We only have one variety here but it's similar to Butternut squash there which was my favorite. Long vines growing but haven't produced fruit yet. We also have several pineapples that belong to my workers and very hot chilies out the gazoo. Believe it or not, the birds and roaming chickens love those and drop seeds when they eat them, so they are self propagating. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 18, 2021 8:18:44 GMT -5
I discovered sumo oranges this past winter and it was life-changing. I’ve never been a big orange fan in the past, but sumo oranges are so sweet and fragrant (and easy to peel to boot). They’re expensive but 100% worth it.
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Post by gerry on Sept 18, 2021 18:37:55 GMT -5
I discovered sumo oranges this past winter and it was life-changing. I’ve never been a big orange fan in the past, but sumo oranges are so sweet and fragrant (and easy to peel to boot). They’re expensive but 100% worth it. Thanks for the Sumo reference. I guess it’s time to get back into research on current citrus trends. I had to look it up. The Sumo arrived in the States in 2012, after I began planting citrus and other fruit trees. It is easily peeled and very sweet because it is a cross between a Satsuma mandarin/tangerine and two other hybrids. Created in Japan in the 70’s, it is now widely marketed by a smart company. It is expensive because the trees, still fairly new, are very slow growing. The little topknot is why they are cleverly named the Sumo. I won’t be planting any for three reasons: 1. It is so slow growing it may start producing fruit after I am gone. 2. This Asian psyllid might ruin it before it produces a single fruit. 3. While we enjoy the sweetness of our Satsumas, we tend to prefer the almost profound sweet and acid balance of our navels and Valencias. Very much like a good wine. Why, in this age of alcohol products are there no Orange/alcohol drinks besides Mimosas and liqueurs? Related side note: Wine and hard cider were among this country’s most popular drinks as the 20th century began. Not just California but places like Missouri and Virginia were major producers of good wine. French, Italian, German, Spanish and other European immigrants planted vineyards everywhere. With Prohibition, American wineries virtually disappeared because most vineyards were torn out to plant cash crops, including potatoes, rye and hops … which were used to make the speakeasy beer and hard liquor which captured the market in the absence of wine. Bathtub gin and mountain dew came from that era. After prohibition ended, vineyards ever so slowly began to appear and the wines slowly followed. Finally, California wines (using European grapes like Cabernet and Chardonnay spliced to Insect resistant American rootstock) began, again, competing with European wines and the rest is history. That rebuild of the wine industry took from the 20’s to the 70’s and 80’s. It took 30 years to create the Sumo Orange, another 40 years to get it to the American market. When the vast soCal Orange market lost nearly half its trees to an extended freeze, about the time the Sumo was created, it “owned” the Asian market. By the time groves were planted and producing, Australia “owned” that market and soCal never recovered. As with the empty vineyards of the 20’s and 30’s, the empty groves of the 70’s and 80’s became housing tracts and condos. Hollywood and Vine was a vineyard.. Orange County was full of groves, etc. When I grew up in Boston, Macintosh apple groves were everywhere. These losses of farming replaced by malls bothered me, so turning my little parcel into fruit trees, nuts, veggies, herbs and olive oil seemed the right thing to do. My family and friends all benefit and, fwiw, farming it has helped me enjoy life and living more than I have a right to. Sorry for the nostalgia. Go Sox. |
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Post by gerry on Sept 18, 2021 18:46:46 GMT -5
I discovered sumo oranges this past winter and it was life-changing. I’ve never been a big orange fan in the past, but sumo oranges are so sweet and fragrant (and easy to peel to boot). They’re expensive but 100% worth it. Thanks for the Sumo reference. I guess it’s time to get back into research on current citrus trends. I had to look it up. The Sumo arrived in the States in 2012, after I began planting citrus and other fruit trees. It is easily peeled and very sweet because it is a cross between a Satsuma mandarin/tangerine and two other hybrids. Created in Japan in the 70’s, it is now widely marketed by a smart company. It is expensive because the trees, still fairly new, are very slow growing. The little topknot is why they are cleverly named the Sumo. I won’t be planting any for three reasons: 1. It is so slow growing it may start producing fruit after I am gone. 2. This Asian psyllid might ruin it before it produces a single fruit. 3. While we enjoy the sweetness of our Satsumas, we tend to prefer the almost profound sweet and acid balance of our navels and Valencias. Very much like a good wine. Why, in this age of alcohol products are there no Orange/alcohol drinks besides Mimosas and liqueurs? Related side note: Wine and hard cider were among this country’s most popular drinks as the 20th century began. Not just California but places like Missouri and Virginia were major producers of good wine. French, Italian, German, Spanish and other European immigrants planted vineyards everywhere. With Prohibition, American wineries virtually disappeared because most vineyards were torn out to plant cash crops, including potatoes, rye and hops … which were used to make the speakeasy beer and hard liquor which captured the market in the absence of wine. Bathtub gin and mountain dew came from that era. After prohibition ended, vineyards ever so slowly began to appear and the wines slowly followed. Finally, California wines (using European grapes like Cabernet and Chardonnay spliced to Insect resistant American rootstock) began, again, competing with European wines and the rest is history. That rebuild of the wine industry took from the 20’s to the 70’s and 80’s. It took 30 years to create the Sumo Orange, another 40 years to get it to the American market. When the vast soCal Orange market lost nearly half its trees to an extended freeze, about the time the Sumo was created, it “owned” the Asian Navel/Valencia market. By the time groves were planted and producing, Australia “owned” that market and soCal never recovered. As with the empty vineyards of the 20’s and 30’s, the empty groves of the 70’s and 80’s became housing tracts and condos. Hollywood and Vine was a vineyard.. Orange County was full of groves, etc. When I grew up in Boston, Macintosh apple groves were everywhere. These losses of farming replaced by malls bothered me, so turning my little parcel into fruit trees, nuts, veggies, herbs and olive oil seemed the right thing to do. My family and friends all benefit and, fwiw, farming it has helped me enjoy life and living more than I have a right to. Sorry for the nostalgia. Go Sox. |
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 20, 2021 11:41:08 GMT -5
I discovered sumo oranges this past winter and it was life-changing. I’ve never been a big orange fan in the past, but sumo oranges are so sweet and fragrant (and easy to peel to boot). They’re expensive but 100% worth it. Thanks for the Sumo reference. I guess it’s time to get back into research on current citrus trends. I had to look it up. The Sumo arrived in the States in 2012, after I began planting citrus and other fruit trees. It is easily peeled and very sweet because it is a cross between a Satsuma mandarin/tangerine and two other hybrids. Created in Japan in the 70’s, it is now widely marketed by a smart company. It is expensive because the trees, still fairly new, are very slow growing. The little topknot is why they are cleverly named the Sumo. I won’t be planting any for three reasons: 1. It is so slow growing it may start producing fruit after I am gone. 2. This Asian psyllid might ruin it before it produces a single fruit. 3. While we enjoy the sweetness of our Satsumas, we tend to prefer the almost profound sweet and acid balance of our navels and Valencias. Very much like a good wine. Why, in this age of alcohol products are there no Orange/alcohol drinks besides Mimosas and liqueurs? Related side note: Wine and hard cider were among this country’s most popular drinks as the 20th century began. Not just California but places like Missouri and Virginia were major producers of good wine. French, Italian, German, Spanish and other European immigrants planted vineyards everywhere. With Prohibition, American wineries virtually disappeared because most vineyards were torn out to plant cash crops, including potatoes, rye and hops … which were used to make the speakeasy beer and hard liquor which captured the market in the absence of wine. Bathtub gin and mountain dew came from that era. After prohibition ended, vineyards ever so slowly began to appear and the wines slowly followed. Finally, California wines (using European grapes like Cabernet and Chardonnay spliced to Insect resistant American rootstock) began, again, competing with European wines and the rest is history. That rebuild of the wine industry took from the 20’s to the 70’s and 80’s. It took 30 years to create the Sumo Orange, another 40 years to get it to the American market. When the vast soCal Orange market lost nearly half its trees to an extended freeze, about the time the Sumo was created, it “owned” the Asian market. By the time groves were planted and producing, Australia “owned” that market and soCal never recovered. As with the empty vineyards of the 20’s and 30’s, the empty groves of the 70’s and 80’s became housing tracts and condos. Hollywood and Vine was a vineyard.. Orange County was full of groves, etc. When I grew up in Boston, Macintosh apple groves were everywhere. These losses of farming replaced by malls bothered me, so turning my little parcel into fruit trees, nuts, veggies, herbs and olive oil seemed the right thing to do. My family and friends all benefit and, fwiw, farming it has helped me enjoy life and living more than I have a right to. Sorry for the nostalgia. Go Sox. I tried one sumo and it was meh, but sometimes you get a not-great one at random, and I also have taste buds that occasional take time off, an adjunct to my sleep disorder. The latter prevents me from doing experimenting with expensive food and meals! There's a citrus story behind my discovery of that which I might tell later ... |
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Post by gerry on Sept 21, 2021 16:57:20 GMT -5
I figured there was a story there. At your leisure, sir. Incidentally, I can’t eat oranges at all. Can’t swallow them due to severe vaso-vegal response which I attribute to a childhood hospital trauma. (My fam devours them which is reason enuff to grow them.). I can drink the juice which is magical, and the heavenly smells of juicing oranges and orange blossoms in the grove is only matched by a night harvest of grapes. So tell your story. We aren’t in postseason yet.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 23, 2021 0:01:22 GMT -5
I figured there was a story there. At your leisure, sir. Incidentally, I can’t eat oranges at all. Can’t swallow them due to severe vaso-vegal response which I attribute to a childhood hospital trauma. (My fam devours them which is reason enuff to grow them.). I can drink the juice which is magical, and the heavenly smells of juicing oranges and orange blossoms in the grove is only matched by a night harvest of grapes. So tell your story. We aren’t in postseason yet. In the early days of my strange and baroque sleep disorder, starting in the early 1990's, there was a period of probably a year and a half where I was absolutely convinced that cartons of Tropicana Pure Premium OJ had begun to vary widely in sweet deliciousness. Most cartons were good, but some were amazingly good, so that I'd go go back and pour a second glass minutes after indulging in a first.
Then a carton went from ordinary to amazing when I was halfway through it.
And that's how I discovered that my taste buds were switching between modes.
Eventually, I lost the papillae of my tongue, leaving it red and raw, which is a symptom of Vitamin B12 deficiency. But this only happened on the right side of my tongue. The line between the normal and raw red halves was ruler-sharp.
This was actually not surprising, because I had a host of unilateral symptoms. I had another B12 deficiency symptom, peripheral neuropathy, in just my left foot (the nerves crossing over below the neck). I also had varicose veins on just the left leg and foot. As we later figured out, the left-brain half of my circadian clock was keeping a standard 24 hour cycle, but the right side was doing 26 hours. Of couse they went in and out of synch.
One of the treatments for a too-long sleep clock is ... Vitamin B12. Last time I looked, no one knew what its role in sleep regulation was. I had tried it, but it made me numb all over, as did two other meds I tried. [1]
During this stretch I tasted things OK, but only via smell; I verified that with my eyes closed and nose pinched I couldn't tell apple from orange juice, or Coke from ginger ale.
Now my problem is taste shutting down almost completely, at random for a given meal. That includes a complete failure to detect capsaicin, which suggests the problem us in the brain and not the taste buds.
Reliving an old experience: a few months ago my housemate accidentally bought me Mild instead of Medium salsa (Green Mountain Gringo, best brand I've tried by a mile). I tried it, and realized my taste buds were off, but I also thought it actually had zero heat. Turns out it's really tasty and has decent heat for me, now (I used to be able to go through an entire jar of their Hot at one sitting, now I can get through half a jar of Medium.)
As you might guess, since individual pieces of citrus do vary in taste, I never know whether it was the fruit or me!
[1] That one I can actually sort of explain -- it's connected to my having had dramatically low levels of Uric Acid and LDH (had to Google forever to bring that to mind, as my brain kept on on offering up THC) ... neither of which were regarded as diagnostic of anything. Both of those test results, plus the numbness, can be explained by a buildup of adenosine, the chemical that builds up while you're awake and measures your sleep edebt. Trazodone made me numb, and it makes you sleepy, in part, by increasing adenosine (although it mostly blocks direct wakefulness signals). Presumably GHB (which I tried on my own) and B12 also do the same thing. Another drug that regulates adenosine, Tegrotol, gave me fornications (hallucination of bugs crawling on you). This was part of a sequence where every drug we tried gave me a side effect that was not listed in the PDR. When we tried Depakote and it made me suicidal, it was almost a relief to find that in the PDR. I quit it cold turkrey ... and my circadian clock stopped for five days.
I was going to write a memoir of this experience (I've mentioned way less than 10% of the weirdness), to be titled "1ll: a memoir of a unique illness," but I got so far into sleuthing out what was going on I decided instead to go back to college and study neuroscience and psychology. At the age of 44!
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Post by gerry on Sept 23, 2021 4:09:21 GMT -5
That cascade of events really should be written up. I would bet an appropriate, well published MD/PhD clinical type would jump at the chance to be lead author in some medical journal. That’s how the system works, and is actually pretty efficient in getting out the latest info. I wish I had done it with my own career.
I am sorry for all your pains and troubles. Neuropathy is both painful and bothersome. You may be happy to hear that my oldest daughter in law learned, from neuropathy, that she has MS, a terrible disease. That was 20+ years ago. She was a jogger who, with good meds, kept on jogging… marathons. She has done two a year since, and her docs say “whatever you are doing keep doing it.” Her last round of meds was debilitating so she stopped running prior to this CoVid plague. But she turned to trail hiking with a couple of friends and has maintained herself in such good shape and remarkable spirits that she will resume marathons next month. I guess we get to the point where we not only learn to live with stuff, we learn to thrive with it, as you have done. Bravo. Hang in there.
I do know that smell is about 70% of taste, and that olfactometers, which are used by perfumers and scent makers, can be used to verify claims on wine bottles (leather, cassis, grass, old Sox, etc.) and that if you smell cherries in a wine, the equipment unerringly prints out cherries, among other things. (Wine is probably the only natural beverage that actually mimics other smells and tastes). I imagine this equipment could also identify various citrus fruit and I will research that. Oranges actually do have different smells and tastes, depending on things like ripeness, harvest times, regions, even from tree to tree, and can alter a bit in the bottle or box. Even for Tropicana and minute maid who harvest, clean, juice and bottle in such bulk that homogeneity would be expected. But no system is perfect.
I am fascinated that you went back to college at 44. I have no idea how old you are but have to ask are you finished? Psychology! I spent more than 20 years working with clinical psychologists in medical centers. What a good and interesting group. It seems that despite your unique set of medical issues you have crafted a wonderful, multi terraced lifestyle. The amazing taste of citrus pales in comparison. Stay safe. And thank you for your insights on the Red Sox. You are a good teacher.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 27, 2022 11:36:51 GMT -5
Late to the table on this one but I discovered Sumo 'orange' a couple of years ago at Publix grocery in FL. Most people here still walk by the display because Sumo is so unconventional looking. In addition to what others have said, Sumo is seedless and the sections have more integrity that other eating oranges. Separating the pieces doesn't cause juice to spurt everywhere. I've found that the softer ones are sweeter. Price here is $3.99/lb. As an aside, I also came across the SugarBee apple....which was a naturally occuring, fortuitous cross between Honey crisp and an unknown variety. sugarbeeapple.com/the-sugarbee-story/ |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 27, 2022 13:58:33 GMT -5
Kind of love that this thread is a thing.
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Post by jmei on Feb 27, 2022 17:09:41 GMT -5
It is indeed prime sumo orange season. First couple batches in January were kind of meh (too much acid, not enough sweet, peels too tight—just not enough time aging) but the next couple batches have been great. On a relative basis, they’re pretty expensive ($4.50 a lb here in Boston, more than twice as much as a navel orange), but on an absolute basis, well, there’s worse places to spend your money. My wife loves them and we go through a 5 lb bag a week.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 27, 2022 18:56:09 GMT -5
It is indeed prime sumo orange season. First couple batches in January were kind of meh (too much acid, not enough sweet, peels too tight—just not enough time aging) but the next couple batches have been great. On a relative basis, they’re pretty expensive ($4.50 a lb here in Boston, more than twice as much as a navel orange), but on an absolute basis, well, there’s worse places to spend your money. My wife loves them and we go through a 5 lb bag a week. A 5 pound bag is like 6 Sumos in my area as they are so delightfully large! There is a bit of variation, but a good many I've had are ambrosia. Again, opt for the softer (more ripe?!) ones. It's always fun to stumble onto some new gastronomic delight. |
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Post by greyfred1 on Mar 4, 2022 12:38:10 GMT -5
are kumquats citrus fruits?
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That cascade of events really should be written up. I would bet an appropriate, well published MD/PhD clinical type would jump at the chance to be lead author in some medical journal. That’s how the system works, and is actually pretty efficient in getting out the latest info. I wish I had done it with my own career. I am sorry for all your pains and troubles. Neuropathy is both painful and bothersome. You may be happy to hear that my oldest daughter in law learned, from neuropathy, that she has MS, a terrible disease. That was 20+ years ago. She was a jogger who, with good meds, kept on jogging… marathons. She has done two a year since, and her docs say “whatever you are doing keep doing it.” Her last round of meds was debilitating so she stopped running prior to this CoVid plague. But she turned to trail hiking with a couple of friends and has maintained herself in such good shape and remarkable spirits that she will resume marathons next month. I guess we get to the point where we not only learn to live with stuff, we learn to thrive with it, as you have done. Bravo. Hang in there. I do know that smell is about 70% of taste, and that olfactometers, which are used by perfumers and scent makers, can be used to verify claims on wine bottles (leather, cassis, grass, old Sox, etc.) and that if you smell cherries in a wine, the equipment unerringly prints out cherries, among other things. (Wine is probably the only natural beverage that actually mimics other smells and tastes). I imagine this equipment could also identify various citrus fruit and I will research that. Oranges actually do have different smells and tastes, depending on things like ripeness, harvest times, regions, even from tree to tree, and can alter a bit in the bottle or box. Even for Tropicana and minute maid who harvest, clean, juice and bottle in such bulk that homogeneity would be expected. But no system is perfect. I am fascinated that you went back to college at 44. I have no idea how old you are but have to ask are you finished? Psychology! I spent more than 20 years working with clinical psychologists in medical centers. What a good and interesting group. It seems that despite your unique set of medical issues you have crafted a wonderful, multi terraced lifestyle. The amazing taste of citrus pales in comparison. Stay safe. And thank you for your insights on the Red Sox. You are a good teacher. I had forgotten this thread existed, and forgotten I had a great set of reasons to try sumos again!
But the best discovery is that I wrote that I could only do a half of a bottle of medium salsa in a sitting. I'm back to a full one, and I may give Hot a shot. That indicates brain chemical levels returning to original levels.
Meanwhile, did anyone else encounter terribly bitter, evil-smelling citrus this winter? It's a real thing; it has to do with heat or rough handling triggering a specific chemical to change from tasteless to bitter, and my housemates had the same reaction I did. Presumably this was a COVID thing from shipping problems.
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There's so much other unfinished stuff I want to get done at some point ... and a huge amount of day-to-day stuff I have to do myself. The point of doing the Hobbit book first is to try to make enough money to hire someone to cook, clean, and pay the bills!
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 22, 2022 15:28:47 GMT -5
Kind of love that this thread is a thing. Hey, we could do apples, too.
I've had one Cosmic, and it was both the sweetest and crispest apple I've had, and one of the juiciest.
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Post by gerry on Mar 23, 2022 3:27:37 GMT -5
It will take a while for my sleepy brain to absorb all that hyperactive production. The Hobbit as a detective story. Fabulous. Fantastical. Based on your background and writing ability it should be good. You may be interested in Bishop Baron’s Word on Fire vlog about how Tolkien (a strong Catholic) used the sacrifices of Frodo as savior figure for Middle Earth. Interesting. When published I will buy copies to distribute to my hobbit loving kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews, cousins, etc. my kid brother hooked me on the books (and the Beatles) back in the 60’s and I am still hooked.
Interesting about citrus. We had a terrible season for navels, Valencias and Mandarins. Very Low yields, bland fruit, some still not ripe. Nothing bitter tho. Low yields for pomegranates, apples and pears also. I pray it’s not the Asian citrus Psyllid but that our lemons, limes and kumquats did well should belie that. Maybe just the soCal inland heat which has broken records 3 years in a row, with little hope for this year and the future. There is already talk of limiting water per household and I got into farming after retirement, too late to buy any agricultural water shares. Oh oh!
I will re read your post about the other projects when Inam fully awake. What a gift to be so busy. Think of the alternative. BTW my Daughter in law just did another marathon despite being in the middle of another med adjustment. What a girl.
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Post by gerry on Mar 23, 2022 3:30:39 GMT -5
Just bought a bag of small cosmics. Never heard of them. I eat the apple, the pig gets the cores. My faves are the Macintosh I grew up with (sweet tart and soft) but they don’t grown here. Only Anna, Granny Smith, Mutsu so far.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 23, 2022 6:47:37 GMT -5
FYI, there are hundreds of citrus types. The minneola is a long necked tangelo. A tangelo is a cross between a grapefruit and a tangerine (which are currently marketed as “sweeties” and sold in bags at stores). Tangerine was an early marketing name for the Asian derived Mandarin Orange, though that name has almost been forgotten. FYI I grow citrus like you watch movies. I have one tree that is a cross between a Nagami Kumquat and a Mandarin; also delicious, eat it rind and all. I am not mocking you. Tangelo varieties are awesome, and Minneola may be the best. Mandarins/Tangerines used to be called kid glove oranges because they peel easily with gloves on. All citrus taste best right off the tree, but are wonderful any way at all. And DOB, who talks too much as if he is still on radio, may not be a jinx, but in his constant prattling has a noteworthy predilection for saying things that quickly seem to screw the player or the team. It seems quantifiable. So maybe a non-correlated Jinxless jinx? I am not mocking anyone. We have two trees of a variety of lemon called calamansi. Green, alley marble sized fruit loaded with vitamin C and other nutrients. They are very popular here, people put calamansi on everything and make calamansi juice similar to lemonade there. You literally get calamansi every time you order anything in a restaurant. Two trees is enough for our family and our workers families year round. Since I live in Maine and with the weather and all what are your thoughts on growing one of these plants inside in a big pot that I moved outside when the weather is good? And for you experts on the subject is there a better choice? |
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2022 10:54:04 GMT -5
Citrus plants need a lot of sunlight, so even if you manage the temperatures right, they won't thrive indoors during the winter this far north. ADD: unless you invest in grow lights, I suppose, although even then, you'll need to manage temperature fluctuations carefully.
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