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9/24-9/26 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 24, 2021 1:08:54 GMT -5
I have always wondered. We know Boyd had his issues, but if McNamara was a better manager, better communicator perhaps he could have rechanneled Boyd's disappointment about not getting the Game 7 start. Boyd should have been the first option out of the pen. Perhaps he would have finished off a 5-3 victory. He was rocked in the 1st inning of Game 3 giving up 4 1st inning runs but settled down after that. I would have taken my chances with a fully engaged Boyd. Too bad Cora wasn't the manager then. Of course he was only 11 years old.Clemens was one of my favorites growing up and if he used I believe it probably happened just before he left in 1996. He was tied with Cy Young for most Red Sox career wins and had the chance to come back and break the tie in 2007 but opted to take George's money and ironically cost himself a Red Sox world series ring. Perhaps his heart was with Boston but his wallet certainly wasn't and we know what his priority was. I can guarantee you that he would have done a better job.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 24, 2021 1:11:53 GMT -5
Two things. I have always wondered. We know Boyd had his issues, but if McNamara was a better manager, better communicator perhaps he could have rechanneled Boyd's disappointment about not getting the Game 7 start. Boyd should have been the first option out of the pen. Perhaps he would have finished off a 5-3 victory. He was rocked in the 1st inning of Game 3 giving up 4 1st inning runs but settled down after that. I would have taken my chances with a fully engaged Boyd. Too bad Cora wasn't the manager then. Of course he was only 11 years old. Clemens was one of my favorites growing up and if he used I believe it probably happened just before he left in 1996. He was tied with Cy Young for most Red Sox career wins and had the chance to come back and break the tie in 2007 but opted to take George's money and ironically cost himself a Red Sox world series ring. Perhaps his heart was with Boston but his wallet certainly wasn't and we know what his priority was. That's not how I remember it. Roger Donut had pretty much lost it and went to Toronto before losing weight and signing with George. The Red Sox offered 4 year $10 million, but Toronto offered 3 year $24 million. Everyone thought Clemens was done! I guess the Blue Jays knew the juice would due the trick.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 24, 2021 1:16:57 GMT -5
Use this post as a dislike button for the Sox DFA’ing Yacksel I named him and Hartlieb as the two likely DFA's a few days ago. They burned his last option. Great arm; I'm guessing he wasn't as coachable as they hoped.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 24, 2021 1:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 24, 2021 3:01:37 GMT -5
Here's the thing: psychologically, even if you don't believe at all that the uniforms bring luck, if you know better than that, they still help.
First, the feeling that they bring luck still persists even if you rationally know that's nonsense. And they become connected in your brain to playing well, because that is what is happening. It's not actually superstition. It's using the yellow unis as a totem, a marker, of the fact that you're playing the game right. It's about comfort and easing anxiety via a fairly egregious reminder of the good streak you're on.
It's not true that correlation is causation. But we evolved to think or feel that it is true, because that usually is the case. And right now the team is exploiting that.
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Post by lonborgski on Sept 24, 2021 4:08:10 GMT -5
Here's the thing: psychologically, even if you don't believe at all that the uniforms bring luck, if you know better than that, they still help.
First, the feeling that they bring luck still persists even if you rationally know that's nonsense. And they become connected in your brain to playing well, because that is what is happening. It's not actually superstition. It's using the yellow unis as a totem, a marker, of the fact that you're playing the game right. It's about comfort and easing anxiety via a fairly egregious reminder of the good streak you're on.
It's not true that correlation is causation. But we evolved to think or feel that it is true, because that usually is the case. And right now the team is exploiting that.
What “usually is the case”?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 24, 2021 5:51:09 GMT -5
People say I should forget the pain of '78...maybe I will, maybe I won't. People say I should get over it because of 2004....maybe I will, maybe I won't. People say I should grow up, it is just a game.....maybe I will, maybe I won't. People say a lot of things....but as far as hating the MFY....I WON'T !!
We rake Cole tonight and bury these asshats !! Go Sox !!
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 24, 2021 5:54:58 GMT -5
Here's the thing: psychologically, even if you don't believe at all that the uniforms bring luck, if you know better than that, they still help.
First, the feeling that they bring luck still persists even if you rationally know that's nonsense. And they become connected in your brain to playing well, because that is what is happening. It's not actually superstition. It's using the yellow unis as a totem, a marker, of the fact that you're playing the game right. It's about comfort and easing anxiety via a fairly egregious reminder of the good streak you're on.
It's not true that correlation is causation. But we evolved to think or feel that it is true, because that usually is the case. And right now the team is exploiting that.
What “usually is the case”? That correlation = causation. You eat something, and then you become ill. We evolved to believe that it was the food that made you ill, because that's usually the case. It's very strong. If you child start showing symptoms of autism soon after being vaccinated, it's really hard to not believe that the vaccine caused the autism. You saw it happen. Most people get that this is not so once its pointed out that the age at which autistic symptoms first appear is the age where kids just happen to be getting their vaccinations ... but some people are completely resistant to that fact, to the point of denying that the well-known study that first linked the two scientifically is beyond any doubt completely fraudulent.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 24, 2021 5:57:57 GMT -5
Current weather report is for scattered thunderstorms with c. a 60% chance of rain each hour starting from game time. That doesn't sound like a rainout, rather a game that's interrupted at least once and maybe twice.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2021 6:18:07 GMT -5
Two things. I have always wondered. We know Boyd had his issues, but if McNamara was a better manager, better communicator perhaps he could have rechanneled Boyd's disappointment about not getting the Game 7 start. Boyd should have been the first option out of the pen. Perhaps he would have finished off a 5-3 victory. He was rocked in the 1st inning of Game 3 giving up 4 1st inning runs but settled down after that. I would have taken my chances with a fully engaged Boyd. Too bad Cora wasn't the manager then. Of course he was only 11 years old. Clemens was one of my favorites growing up and if he used I believe it probably happened just before he left in 1996. He was tied with Cy Young for most Red Sox career wins and had the chance to come back and break the tie in 2007 but opted to take George's money and ironically cost himself a Red Sox world series ring. Perhaps his heart was with Boston but his wallet certainly wasn't and we know what his priority was. That's not how I remember it. Roger Donut had pretty much lost it and went to Toronto before losing weight and signing with George. Clemens came back from an injury on 95 but pitched poorly the first half of 96, but was really good in the 2nd half. The problem was the defense was so bad it makes this year's Red Sox team defense look great in comparison. I mean they had Canseco and Greenwell in the same outfield with Troy O'Leary playing CF with Will Cordero playing 2b and Mike Stanley behind the plate and Mo Vaughn at 1b with John Valentin still at SS. By season's end Jeff Frye took over 2b and Darren Bragg was acquired to play CF. That improved the defense somewhat but it was still bad and undermined the pitching and the Clemens would pitch and get no run support whatsoever so his record was just 10-13 despite getting his area down to 3 6. Tom Gordon with his 5.59 ERA went 12-9 because he got all the run support. My point was Clemens was becoming dominant in the 2nd half again but thanks to the defense and run support it was hard to see it. You might recall in his last victory he struck out 20 and walked 0. My point is that I wasn't much surprised when he dominated with Toronto. It didn't just happen in 97. It started happening in the 2nd half of 96. Did he cheat at that point? That's a different question.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 24, 2021 7:40:54 GMT -5
That's not how I remember it. Roger Donut had pretty much lost it and went to Toronto before losing weight and signing with George. The Red Sox offered 4 year $10 million, but Toronto offered 3 year $24 million. Everyone thought Clemens was done! I guess the Blue Jays knew the juice would due the trick. He had just had a 7 WAR season! But of course they didn't have WAR back then so I guess people thought he was done because he went 10-13?
They did have ERA at least, though, and he was tied for the fourth-best in the AL...
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Post by costpet on Sept 24, 2021 8:37:39 GMT -5
I wonder if Jeter would have made the HOF if he had played for Seattle or the Padres or the Marlins or some team other than the MFY's. NY hype always makes a player seem better. He was a good hitter, but not much of a shortstop. Then he turns out to be a jerk.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 24, 2021 8:46:53 GMT -5
People say I should forget the pain of '78...maybe I will, maybe I won't. People say I should get over it because of 2004....maybe I will, maybe I won't. People say I should grow up, it is just a game.....maybe I will, maybe I won't. People say a lot of things....but as far as hating the MFY....I WON'T !! We rake Cole tonight and bury these asshats !! Go Sox !! You must have been a football coach! That sounds like a great halftime speech. Win one for the Gipper!😊
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 24, 2021 9:15:51 GMT -5
The Red Sox offered 4 year $10 million, but Toronto offered 3 year $24 million. Everyone thought Clemens was done! I guess the Blue Jays knew the juice would due the trick. He had just had a 7 WAR season! But of course they didn't have WAR back then so I guess people thought he was done because he went 10-13?
They did have ERA at least, though, and he was tied for the fourth-best in the AL...
The front office was, in the end, the only opinion that mattered ($10 million-4 years vs $24 million-3 years) that pretty much says they were ready to move on. That is like offering Jon Lester $70 million when the Cubs signed him for $145 million.....offer non-offer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2021 9:44:54 GMT -5
I wonder if Jeter would have made the HOF if he had played for Seattle or the Padres or the Marlins or some team other than the MFY's. NY hype always makes a player seem better. He was a good hitter, but not much of a shortstop. Then he turns out to be a jerk. He got over 3400 career hits and batted about .310 lifetime. What guy doing that who didn't bet on baseball wouldn't be in the HOF?? So of course he would have been a HOFer had he played elsewhere. If he played in Boston, he'd be beloved. Look, I'm no Jeter fan. He was a mediocre SS for a long time, to be kind, but he was a really good hitter for a very long time. If he played for Seattle or San Diego, he most definitely would have been a HOFer. He just might not have been as iconish. I hate the Yankees, too, but the bashing is a little silly. Last time I checked the Sox have a SS wearing #2 who doesn't have the world's greatest range either and would be better off moving to another position soon. Let's see how well he responds to being asked to moved off of SS if that comes up in contract extension negotiations. My point is if Jeter was on my team all of those years, I would have enjoyed him as well. Because he's a Yankee and he had that smug Yankee attitude I don't care for him, but to say he wouldn't have been a HOFer, to me, is quite Red Sox homerish.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2021 9:48:37 GMT -5
That's not how I remember it. Roger Donut had pretty much lost it and went to Toronto before losing weight and signing with George. The Red Sox offered 4 year $10 million, but Toronto offered 3 year $24 million. Everyone thought Clemens was done! I guess the Blue Jays knew the juice would due the trick. Not everybody thought he was done, for the reasons I explained in my post. I was pretty pissed off when they let him go. I did not enjoy the Steve Avery ace experience of 1997. Thankfully they got Pedro in 1998, but Pedro's teams didn't seriously have a chance to win until he got teamed up with other strong starting pitchers, like Schilling in 2004. Clemens and Pedro on the same staff just might have headed off some of the Yankee dynasty, like 1999 and 2000. Can't stand Clemens the human being? Very fair. Totally get it. But Clemens the pitcher was damn good, but yes feel free to qualify that with alleged PEDs. Again that's fair to do. I theorize that if he did to that it might have been that 2nd half of 1996 when he started pitching well, but I'd be guessing. I have zero proof - for all I know he might never have taken anything as he claims - I don't particularly believe that, but I cannot disprove him. All I know is that his pitching really started to improve toward the second half of 1996 so I really wasn't surprised that he had future HOF caliber seasons ahead of him. I was already annoyed that Wade Boggs left in favor of Scott Cooper and expected Mo Vaughn to walk, too when it was his time. So I guess I'm one of those fanboys who hate it when their best established players leave (bye, Mookie), even if with the distance of time to gain perspective, you come to understand it better and learn to accept it.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 24, 2021 10:10:50 GMT -5
I wonder if Jeter would have made the HOF if he had played for Seattle or the Padres or the Marlins or some team other than the MFY's. NY hype always makes a player seem better. He was a good hitter, but not much of a shortstop. Then he turns out to be a jerk. He got over 3400 career hits and batted about .310 lifetime. What guy doing that who didn't bet on baseball wouldn't be in the HOF?? So of course he would have been a HOFer had he played elsewhere. If he played in Boston, he'd be beloved. Look, I'm no Jeter fan. He was a mediocre SS for a long time, to be kind, but he was a really good hitter for a very long time. If he played for Seattle or San Diego, he most definitely would have been a HOFer. He just might not have been as iconish.I hate the Yankees, too, but the bashing is a little silly. Last time I checked the Sox have a SS wearing #2 who doesn't have the world's greatest range either and would be better off moving to another position soon. Let's see how well he responds to being asked to moved off of SS if that comes up in contract extension negotiations. My point is if Jeter was on my team all of those years, I would have enjoyed him as well. Because he's a Yankee and he had that smug Yankee attitude I don't care for him, but to say he wouldn't have been a HOFer, to me, is quite Red Sox homerish. Yeah, Jeter clearly would have ended up in the HoF no matter where he played. The criticism shouldn't be that he wasn't a good player. It's that he was a good player who was treated by an insanely obsequious media as some sort of mythical legend, when in fact he was plainly a narcissistic jerk.
That's why the Bogaerts comparison doesn't really work, though. Bogaerts is a good player - just about as good as Jeter was at his peak, in fact - who is treated... like a good player. Not like he's freakin' Odysseus. If anything he's been weirdly underrated, considering he plays in a high-profile market.
ADD: They're actually on really similar career trajectories. Through his age 28 season Jeter had 32.5 fWAR; Xander is at 31.8 with 9 games to go. If not for the covid season he'd undoubtedly be ahead. Jeter basically maintained his peak through age 35, though, and put up productive seasons through age 38, which is not easy to do. Still, Bogaerts maybe doesn't get talked about enough as a potential hall of famer.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 24, 2021 10:21:15 GMT -5
I wonder if Jeter would have made the HOF if he had played for Seattle or the Padres or the Marlins or some team other than the MFY's. NY hype always makes a player seem better. He was a good hitter, but not much of a shortstop. Then he turns out to be a jerk. He got over 3400 career hits and batted about .310 lifetime. What guy doing that who didn't bet on baseball wouldn't be in the HOF?? So of course he would have been a HOFer had he played elsewhere. If he played in Boston, he'd be beloved. Look, I'm no Jeter fan. He was a mediocre SS for a long time, to be kind, but he was a really good hitter for a very long time. If he played for Seattle or San Diego, he most definitely would have been a HOFer. He just might not have been as iconish. I hate the Yankees, too, but the bashing is a little silly. Last time I checked the Sox have a SS wearing #2 who doesn't have the world's greatest range either and would be better off moving to another position soon. Let's see how well he responds to being asked to moved off of SS if that comes up in contract extension negotiations. My point is if Jeter was on my team all of those years, I would have enjoyed him as well. Because he's a Yankee and he had that smug Yankee attitude I don't care for him, but to say he wouldn't have been a HOFer, to me, is quite Red Sox homerish. I did not say he was not good. I said he was an A$$!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2021 10:24:25 GMT -5
He got over 3400 career hits and batted about .310 lifetime. What guy doing that who didn't bet on baseball wouldn't be in the HOF?? So of course he would have been a HOFer had he played elsewhere. If he played in Boston, he'd be beloved. Look, I'm no Jeter fan. He was a mediocre SS for a long time, to be kind, but he was a really good hitter for a very long time. If he played for Seattle or San Diego, he most definitely would have been a HOFer. He just might not have been as iconish.I hate the Yankees, too, but the bashing is a little silly. Last time I checked the Sox have a SS wearing #2 who doesn't have the world's greatest range either and would be better off moving to another position soon. Let's see how well he responds to being asked to moved off of SS if that comes up in contract extension negotiations. My point is if Jeter was on my team all of those years, I would have enjoyed him as well. Because he's a Yankee and he had that smug Yankee attitude I don't care for him, but to say he wouldn't have been a HOFer, to me, is quite Red Sox homerish. Yeah, Jeter clearly would have ended up in the HoF no matter where he played. The criticism shouldn't be that he wasn't a good player. It's that he was a good player who was treated by an insanely obsequious media as some sort of mythical legend, when in fact he was plainly a narcissistic jerk. That's why the Bogaerts comparison doesn't really work, though. Bogaerts is a good player - just about as good as Jeter was at his peak, in fact - who is treated... like a good player. If anything he's been weirdly underrated, considering he plays in a high-profile market.
He was a key part of 5 championships so he has that "iconish" feel to him. I don't disagree with anything you say. My point about Bogaerts wasn't clean. I mean if X continues to do what he does, he's HOF caliber. He'd have over 400 HRs and 3000 hits. He's a SS who's below average defensively and should sooner or later be moved to 3b. We harpoon Jeter's defense but despite his surehandedness, he lacks range, which is the same thing that can be said of the Sox current SS. If he re-ups with the Red Sox, I'm curious how he handles the transition when Mayer is ready. I do think it will be better than with how Jeter handled A-Rod, as I think that was petty personal stuff between the two of them, stemming from A-Rod's big mouth. But X is underrated because he's not the iconic figure that Jeter is because he was a bit player on the 2013 team and the quiet star of the 2018 team. Not like how Jeter was the main guy of 5 championship teams. Not like how David Ortiz was the central figure of 3 champion Red Sox teams. The iconic figure of the 2018 team was Mookie Betts. In a way X is more like the Bill Mueller of the Red Sox in his efective quietness although we both know Mueller was merely a good player and if X plays another 10 years like we suspect/hope he can he'll be a HOF caliber play. My larger points were that if Jeter had been a lifelong Red Sox he would have been beloved and that he would have been a HOFer no matter where he played.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2021 10:25:10 GMT -5
He got over 3400 career hits and batted about .310 lifetime. What guy doing that who didn't bet on baseball wouldn't be in the HOF?? So of course he would have been a HOFer had he played elsewhere. If he played in Boston, he'd be beloved. Look, I'm no Jeter fan. He was a mediocre SS for a long time, to be kind, but he was a really good hitter for a very long time. If he played for Seattle or San Diego, he most definitely would have been a HOFer. He just might not have been as iconish. I hate the Yankees, too, but the bashing is a little silly. Last time I checked the Sox have a SS wearing #2 who doesn't have the world's greatest range either and would be better off moving to another position soon. Let's see how well he responds to being asked to moved off of SS if that comes up in contract extension negotiations. My point is if Jeter was on my team all of those years, I would have enjoyed him as well. Because he's a Yankee and he had that smug Yankee attitude I don't care for him, but to say he wouldn't have been a HOFer, to me, is quite Red Sox homerish. I did not say he was not good. I said he was an A$$! I was pushing back on costpet's point about Jeter, not yours.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 24, 2021 10:31:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Jeter clearly would have ended up in the HoF no matter where he played. The criticism shouldn't be that he wasn't a good player. It's that he was a good player who was treated by an insanely obsequious media as some sort of mythical legend, when in fact he was plainly a narcissistic jerk. That's why the Bogaerts comparison doesn't really work, though. Bogaerts is a good player - just about as good as Jeter was at his peak, in fact - who is treated... like a good player. If anything he's been weirdly underrated, considering he plays in a high-profile market.
He was a key part of 5 championships so he has that "iconish" feel to him. I don't disagree with anything you say. My point about Bogaerts wasn't clean. I mean if X continues to do what he does, he's HOF caliber. He'd have over 400 HRs and 3000 hits. He's a SS who's below average defensively and should sooner or later be moved to 3b. We harpoon Jeter's defense but despite his surehandedness, he lacks range, which is the same thing that can be said of the Sox current SS. If he re-ups with the Red Sox, I'm curious how he handles the transition when Mayer is ready. I do think it will be better than with how Jeter handled A-Rod, as I think that was petty personal stuff between the two of them, stemming from A-Rod's big mouth. But X is underrated because he's not the iconic figure that Jeter is because he was a bit player on the 2013 team and the quiet star of the 2018 team. Not like how Jeter was the main guy of 5 championship teams. Not like how David Ortiz was the central figure of 3 champion Red Sox teams. The iconic figure of the 2018 team was Mookie Betts. In a way X is more like the Bill Mueller of the Red Sox in his efective quietness although we both know Mueller was merely a good player and if X plays another 10 years like we suspect/hope he can he'll be a HOF caliber play. My larger points were that if Jeter had been a lifelong Red Sox he would have been beloved and that he would have been a HOFer no matter where he played. Yeah, agree with your conclusion here. But I'd quibble on one point: Jeter isn't treated as an icon because he was on a bunch of championship teams; so was Bernie Williams, and he put up just as much WAR as Jeter from 1996 to 2000. Jeter is treated like an icon because of a bizarre media pathology and his own unctuous self-marketing.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 24, 2021 10:41:51 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, Red Sox stars have been for the most part an *incredibly* likeable group of people this century. Can you do any better than the big four of Betts, Pedroia, Big Papi, and Pedro? Just as, like, human beings on the earth?
YMMV on Manny, who is not exactly an all-time great dude, but at least he was a character. And then there's Schilling... but he was only here for about a fifth of his career so I don't think of him as a true Red Sox.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2021 10:50:27 GMT -5
He was a key part of 5 championships so he has that "iconish" feel to him. I don't disagree with anything you say. My point about Bogaerts wasn't clean. I mean if X continues to do what he does, he's HOF caliber. He'd have over 400 HRs and 3000 hits. He's a SS who's below average defensively and should sooner or later be moved to 3b. We harpoon Jeter's defense but despite his surehandedness, he lacks range, which is the same thing that can be said of the Sox current SS. If he re-ups with the Red Sox, I'm curious how he handles the transition when Mayer is ready. I do think it will be better than with how Jeter handled A-Rod, as I think that was petty personal stuff between the two of them, stemming from A-Rod's big mouth. But X is underrated because he's not the iconic figure that Jeter is because he was a bit player on the 2013 team and the quiet star of the 2018 team. Not like how Jeter was the main guy of 5 championship teams. Not like how David Ortiz was the central figure of 3 champion Red Sox teams. The iconic figure of the 2018 team was Mookie Betts. In a way X is more like the Bill Mueller of the Red Sox in his efective quietness although we both know Mueller was merely a good player and if X plays another 10 years like we suspect/hope he can he'll be a HOF caliber play. My larger points were that if Jeter had been a lifelong Red Sox he would have been beloved and that he would have been a HOFer no matter where he played. Yeah, agree with your conclusion here. But I'd quibble on one point: Jeter isn't treated as an icon because he was on a bunch of championship teams; so was Bernie Williams, and he put up just as much WAR as Jeter from 1996 to 2000. Jeter is treated like an icon because of a bizarre media pathology and his own unctuous self-marketing. I get your point but the media isn't going to use WAR to figure out who gets the attention. Jeter came up during a World Series season, his rookie year, their first championship in 18 years. Bernie had already been on the team for 6 years at that point, so up comes Jeter and of course they win, so a lot of that got attributed to Jeter. Had Bernie Williams come up in 1996 and Jeter had already been playing, maybe it might have been reversed. Who knows. I think the image of the Yankees being a championship team versus not being one was cemented by Jeter's arrival that very year, the 1996 Rookie of the Year. So it was like this cause and effect the media saw which multiplied with each championship within that span and was punctuated by the 2009 championship. The Yankees are just another team. They get this kid rookie, all-American type of guy in Jeter, and suddenly they're world champions....so that became the easy narrative.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2021 10:58:59 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, Red Sox stars have been for the most part an *incredibly* likeable group of people this century. Can you do any better than the big four of Betts, Pedroia, Big Papi, and Pedro? Just as, like, human beings on the earth? YMMV on Manny, who is not exactly an all-time great dude, but at least he was a character. And then there's Schilling... but he was only here for about a fifth of his career so I don't think of him as a true Red Sox. True. The Sox had Beckett, Lackey, and Price, four ornery pitchers that came up big for World Championship teams. Schilling, I do think of as a Red Sox, although we do know damn well he was a long-time Philly, part of the NL 1993 champions, and a World Champion with the Dbacks, but he won 2 championships with the Sox and was a central figure with the Sox in 04 and was a contributor in 07. I think the iconic baseball image of Schilling is the bloody sock which occurred as a Red Sox, so yeah, I do think of him as a Red Sox, and Curt Schilling, the baseball player, has my meaningless vote for the HOF even if he doesn't want it. The rest of stuff with him.....he could go in as a Dback. It's ok. I'll still think of him as a Red Sox, though. 2004 doesn't happen without him. Manny had his dark side, cheated, and was all about the money (sounds like Clemens). What's crazy to me is that Ramirez has seemed to have found religion and seems, as far as I know, to have become a decent peaceful person. If that's the case, great. Don't think I'd vote for him in the HOF given that he was busted twice for cheating. But the Sox have been fortunate to have guys like Ortiz, Pedroia, Pedro, Betts, Wakefield, Tek, hopefully X to be part of their early 21st century legacy.
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Post by Coreno on Sept 24, 2021 11:15:23 GMT -5
The real reason for the Yellow & Blue unis.
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