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9/28-9/30 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Sept 27, 2021 18:38:47 GMT -5
9/28 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale, 5-0, 2.57, 35.0 IP, 39K:8BB) @ Orioles (LHP Bruce Zimmermann, 4-4, 4.83, 59.2 IP, 53K:20BB) 7:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/29 Red Sox (RHP Nathan Eovaldi, 10-9, 3.88, 176.1 IP, 188K:34BB) @ Orioles (LHP Zac Lowther, 1-2, 7.66, 24.2 IP, 26K:13BB) 7:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/30 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 9-7, 4.52, 149.1 IP, 166K:63BB) @ Orioles (LHP Alexander Wells, 1-3, 7.61, 36.2 IP, 24K:14BB) 7:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by incandenza on Sept 27, 2021 18:53:18 GMT -5
All lefties again, and the Jays get Means instead of us. I ain't complainin'.
Actually, you know what's crazy? The only time we faced Means all season was on opening day. He was never hurt when we were playing them or anything; it's just that he's pitched right before or right after every other Red Sox series.
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Post by bcsox on Sept 27, 2021 18:55:03 GMT -5
unbelievable starting trio by Baltimore. I dont want to type the obvious, but lets just say the RS will be heave heave favorites in all three games. I just assume at least one maybe two of the games will be a white knuckler with the Sox having about 13 baserunners through 6 innings and trailing 2-1.
this is where the chicken and beer team went to die...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 27, 2021 20:03:13 GMT -5
Everyone pretty much controls their own destiny at this point but destiny is much easier to control for BOS than for TOR or MFY. Pulling hard for a TOR sweep of MFY...
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 27, 2021 20:09:40 GMT -5
Everyone pretty much controls their own destiny at this point but destiny is much easier to control for BOS than for TOR or MFY. Pulling hard for a TOR sweep of MFY... I’m happy with any outcome that isn’t the MFY winning the World Series
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2021 20:19:07 GMT -5
Everyone pretty much controls their own destiny at this point but destiny is much easier to control for BOS than for TOR or MFY. Pulling hard for a TOR sweep of MFY... I’m happy with any outcome that isn’t the MFY winning the World Series I think a Rays/Brewers world series could be interesting in that somebody has to be champs for the first time.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 27, 2021 21:41:32 GMT -5
I’m happy with any outcome that isn’t the MFY winning the World Series I think a Rays/Brewers world series could be interesting in that somebody has to be champs for the first time. I was gonna say I don't think I can root for Tampa, but who else in the AL could I root for? Not the Cheatstros, not Tony LaRusso, not the Spankees....
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2021 22:10:58 GMT -5
I think a Rays/Brewers world series could be interesting in that somebody has to be champs for the first time. I was gonna say I don't think I can root for Tampa, but who else in the AL could I root for? Not the Cheatstros, not Tony LaRusso, not the Spankees.... In that scenario I'd root for the Brewers, but if the Rays won so be it. The Rays haven't won before and they're very well run and sooner or later they'll have their window close at some point. The Brewers had one real crack at glory way back in 1982, so I'd certainly be cool with winning. Of course I'd prefer for the Sox to win the Series.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 27, 2021 23:40:55 GMT -5
I think a Rays/Brewers world series could be interesting in that somebody has to be champs for the first time. I was gonna say I don't think I can root for Tampa, but who else in the AL could I root for? Not the Cheatstros, not Tony LaRusso, not the Spankees.... The only thing going for the Astros is to get Dusty Baker his ring, the man has been through the worst heartbreaks and deserves one before he retires
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2021 0:20:15 GMT -5
I was gonna say I don't think I can root for Tampa, but who else in the AL could I root for? Not the Cheatstros, not Tony LaRusso, not the Spankees.... The only thing going for the Astros is to get Dusty Baker his ring, the man has been through the worst heartbreaks and deserves one before he retires Yeah, he has either had no luck or failed to make his own luck as a manager. I do think he has a ring as a member of the 1981 champion Dodgers team though.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 28, 2021 9:39:24 GMT -5
This is why you get the big bucks Sale. Can’t sweep without winning first one. Sweep or go home.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 28, 2021 10:55:58 GMT -5
I'll actually be more interested in the MFY-Jays game tonight. That's how confident I am the Red Sox will abuse Baltimore. A Jays win would give me hope that they can catch the MFYs for the second spot.
This would be a good scenario and it's very possible: We have the first WC spot clinched going into the last day of the season, meaning we don't have to pitch Sale. The MFYs and the Jays end in a tie for the second spot and have to play a tie-breaker game on Monday. The winner (pray to God it's the Jays) would use a lot of pitching to get through that game and then fly to Boston for another play-or-go-home game on Tuesday.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2021 11:13:33 GMT -5
I'll actually be more interested in the MFY-Jays game tonight. That's how confident I am the Red Sox will abuse Baltimore. A Jays win would give me hope that they can catch the MFYs for the second spot. This would be a good scenario and it's very possible: We have the first WC spot clinched going into the last day of the season, meaning we don't have to pitch Sale. The MFYs and the Jays end in a tie for the second spot and have to play a tie-breaker game on Monday. The winner (pray to God it's the Jays) would use a lot of pitching to get through that game and then fly to Boston for another play-or-go-home game on Tuesday. My guess is today will be a little tougher than anticipated. The guy pitching for the Orioles today is merely mediocre. The next two nights they're completely awful. And I can see Eovaldi having a nice bounce back outing. Pivetta could wind up getting roughed up a bit in the 3rd game. I'm trying to remember when he pitched two really good games in a row. Even if he gets roughed up a bit, the Sox bats should hit in that 3rd game too you'd hope. For the Sox to get to that scenario you talk of, I'd guess a 4-1 record over the next 5 days might make that day of rest scenario possible. Even so, I still think the Sox will use Eovaldi against NY (or hopefully Toronto) in a Wild Card game instead of Sale and save him for the pen if need be that game or for Game 1 and 5 of the ALDS if possible. Can you imagine a scenario where the 3 teams wind up 92-70 where the Sox start Eovaldi in the first tiebreaker game on Monday, start E-Rod the second tiebreaker game if necessary on Tuesday, and if necessary Pivetta would pitch the Wild Card game on Wednesday because Sale wouldn't be rested at that point to start assuming he's needed the prior Sunday? Would Houck have to start ALDS Game 1 on Thursday if necessary because Sale would only have 3 days rest?
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Post by incandenza on Sept 28, 2021 11:20:47 GMT -5
I'll actually be more interested in the MFY-Jays game tonight. That's how confident I am the Red Sox will abuse Baltimore. Hoo boy, you're really playing with fire here...
By fangraphs odds the Red Sox had as high as a 79% chance of winning their last game against the Yankees and 86% in the game before that. They start out with a 68% chance of winning today.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 28, 2021 12:10:30 GMT -5
Just bought tickets to the wild card game, alds home game one and alds home game two.
Went to two yankee games this weekend and it was crushing but im doubling down here.
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Post by dl on Sept 28, 2021 12:32:22 GMT -5
Tie breaker scenarios from MLB.com:
Scenario: Two teams tie for best record in the league or Wild Card As for the Wild Card, if, say, the Red Sox and Yankees were the only two clubs in AL Wild Card position at season’s end and had identical records, they would not play an extra game to determine who gets home-field advantage in the Wild Card Game. It would go to the team with the better head-to-head record (in that case, Boston).
Scenario: Two teams tie for the second Wild Card spot If, for example, the Red Sox and Blue Jays tied for the second AL Wild Card spot, they’d have to play each other Monday, Oct. 4, for the right to advance to the AL Wild Card Game on Tuesday, Oct. 5. Home-field advantage would go to the team with the better head-to-head record (Red Sox, 10-9).
Scenario: Three-team tie for two Wild Card spots If the Blue Jays, Yankees and Red Sox were all tied, with no other non-division winners in the AL ahead of them, the three teams would choose/receive A, B and C designations. Club A would host Club B. The winner of that game would be one Wild Card club, while the loser would then play Club C on the road to determine the other. The winners of the two games would face each other in the Wild Card Game.
The three designations are decided by head-to-head records. The Red Sox went 10-9 in each of their season series against the Blue Jays and Yankees, so they would have the first pick of designation. The Blue Jays are also 10-6 against the Yanks, as of this writing, so they would pick second. The Yankees would get whichever designation is left over. The first selection comes down to a choice of playing up to two games (Club A) or taking your chances as the home team in a single elimination game (Club C).
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 28, 2021 12:32:35 GMT -5
Do any of these guys throws fastballs above 94 or 96 ? Might be helpful in deciding who the Front office is going put in the lineup.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 28, 2021 12:40:18 GMT -5
Sweep them and you may even have the luxury of coasting against the Nats.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 28, 2021 12:47:13 GMT -5
Do any of these guys throws fastballs above 94 or 96 ? Might be helpful in deciding who the Front office is going put in the lineup. Do you think the front office is deciding who to put in the lineup? I doubt that's the case. In any event, Zimmerman and Lowther throw low 90s. Wells is like upper 80s apparently.
I imagine we'll see plenty of Dalbec this series, if that's what you're getting at. Maybe he can put up a .333/.500/.778 line like he did in the last series against Baltimore.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 28, 2021 12:57:08 GMT -5
I would expect we see a fair amount of Arroyo as well. He will need some live AB's since Iglesias is not playoff eligible
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 28, 2021 13:41:11 GMT -5
Do you think the front office is deciding who to put in the lineup? I doubt that's the case. In any event, Zimmerman and Lowther throw low 90s. Wells is like upper 80s apparently.
I imagine we'll see plenty of Dalbec this series, if that's what you're getting at. Maybe he can put up a .333/.500/.778 line like he did in the last series against Baltimore.
Sorry. I can't help myself on this one. I will try and let this go.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 28, 2021 14:17:30 GMT -5
Do you think the front office is deciding who to put in the lineup? I doubt that's the case. In any event, Zimmerman and Lowther throw low 90s. Wells is like upper 80s apparently. I imagine we'll see plenty of Dalbec this series, if that's what you're getting at. Maybe he can put up a .333/.500/.778 line like he did in the last series against Baltimore.
Sorry. I can't help myself on this one. I will try and let this go. Jerry, I get your point. Maybe think of it this way. Batters platoon lefty/righty, that kind of thing. But sometimes guys are better high ball hitters than low ball hitters, better at plus velocity but struggle on anything with a wrinkle, or buys that are better at lower velocities but struggle with plus heat, so for the time being I'd guess it's something like that. Hopefully in time they'll find that he's fine with plus velocity, but for the time being, they need to maximize any advantage they can get.
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Post by cdj on Sept 28, 2021 14:31:09 GMT -5
Hernandez 8 Renfroe 9 Devers 5 Bogaerts 6 Martinez DH Schwarber 7 Dalbec 3 Iglesias 4 Vazquez 2
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 28, 2021 14:32:51 GMT -5
Zimmerman's start is his first MLB outing since 6/13. He had 4 rehab starts from 7/26 to 8/10, the last two 8 2 0 0 6 6 in AAA, then was shut down again. He's now making his 3rd start on regular rest, the first 2.1 5 3 3 0 3 in AA, the second 4 4 2 2 0 6 in AAA.
In his brief MLB career he's had almost no platoon split, has given up a ton of homers at home, has been awful with the bases empty and great with runners on (.939 / .654), but bad in his SS of 2 outs and RISP (.938). There are some other splits that suggest he's not great under high pressure. He has a large times-faced batter penalty (.735, .964, .979).
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 28, 2021 14:38:42 GMT -5
Sorry. I can't help myself on this one. I will try and let this go. Jerry, I get your point. Maybe think of it this way. Batters platoon lefty/righty, that kind of thing. But sometimes guys are better high ball hitters than low ball hitters, better at plus velocity but struggle on anything with a wrinkle, or buys that are better at lower velocities but struggle with plus heat, so for the time being I'd guess it's something like that. Hopefully in time they'll find that he's fine with plus velocity, but for the time being, they need to maximize any advantage they can get. that is fine and I can understand that. I have no problem with the day off versus Cole after a travel day. However, it the day off on the last Met game where i have a problem. That means he had 2 PH appearances (and it isnt like PH's are regular at bats) in 3 days. Since (and including) that last Met game he is 1 for his last 10 with 8 K's. People may not want to associate a causal relationship with that, but it looks awful fishy to me. As bcsox said in the Dalbec thread, who knowingly takes out their best hitter for 72 hours. I think it was an unnecessary decision. Add: and it is a little unfair to assume a platoon advantage is going to outperform a hot Dalbec Streak. I mean, we scored 9 runs in the 3 run set. Stanton, whom Dalbec is not, had 10 Rbi's by himself and basically, with his power, won his series. Do you think we should worry about a platoon when the 1 guy we have who can hit a ball out of the park with a bat made of balsa wood is deemed to have to sit. You have to have a lot self confidence to make that decision.
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