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Post by Guidas on Oct 23, 2021 12:51:21 GMT -5
A lot of talk in the Bloom thread and the ALCS thread about the team going forward, so I thought I start this thread. Of course, the looming CBA may kibosh the traditional free agent period and signings, but the deals will get done eventually. Here is a list from MLB Trade Rumors of who's available (although some of these guys won't be opting out or will have their options picked up. Since I started this I'll put my wished-for guys and then a few guys I'd be OK with instead, but y'all certainly don't have to put yours down this way. My wished-for guys:Thor Kris Bryant Kendall Graveman Guys I'd be OK with:Jon Gray Robbie Ray
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 23, 2021 13:07:08 GMT -5
Off the top of my head without thinking to hard I would like to keep E-rod Kyle
Sign Max Chris Taylor Grave man Knebal Yan Gomes
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 23, 2021 13:39:43 GMT -5
Schwarber and JD back for sure. ERod depending on how much money they can get him for would be good. I'm thinking Bloom could be more active in the trade market as opposed to throwing around money.
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Post by radiohix on Oct 23, 2021 13:41:57 GMT -5
Re-sign E-Rod Improve infield defense Get some OF depth Don’t waste any significant ressources (contracts or prospects) on trying to improve the bullpen.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 23, 2021 13:43:17 GMT -5
I have a sneaky suspicion he’s going to trade dalbec, I can see a package including dalbec to Miami for a young pitcher or two. I can see one of Verdugo/renfroe also get traded
I also would say goodbye to the following players
Richards Perez Shaw Santana Iglesias Ottavino
I would bring Robles back if he’s cheap if not he can leave too
I would only bring back either Kyle or jd this defense has to get better
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 23, 2021 13:47:21 GMT -5
A lot of talk in the Bloom thread and the ALCS thread about the team going forward, so I thought I start this thread. Of course, the looming CBA may kibosh the traditional free agent period and signings, but the deals will get done eventually. Here is a list from MLB Trade Rumors of who's available (although some of these guys won't be opting out or will have their options picked up. Since I started this I'll put my wished-for guys and then a few guys I'd be OK with instead, but y'all certainly don't have to put yours down this way. My wished-for guys:Thor Kris Bryant Kendall Graveman Guys I'd be OK with:Jon Gray Robbie Ray I love your wish guys but what about comp picks? And Ray had a career year so he might be more expensive than his future will support. I will say Thor, Erod, Graveman, Tepera, Cimber, Iglesias and Schwarber.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 23, 2021 13:47:53 GMT -5
#1 on the list is Mike Monaco
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Post by radiohix on Oct 23, 2021 13:48:36 GMT -5
#1 on the list is Mike Monaco This a million times.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Oct 23, 2021 13:51:51 GMT -5
Seiya Suzuki. Sell high on Renfroe.
Chris Taylor if he doesn't get a QO.
Rodriguez or Gausman.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 23, 2021 14:08:38 GMT -5
The Red Sox have a lot of flexibility, so ultimately it should mostly come down to whoever has the most attractive price attached to them.
Signing a big time middle infielder is the smoothest move to make. Arroyo is in the running for worst guy currently penciled in to start and they only have a year of control left on Bogaerts. I think Xander is a grown up who can handle moving to 2B in his walk year.
Seriously doubt Chaim Bloom is going to be the high bidder on any big time one inning relievers. I will likely fist pump any time he signs a borderline starting pitcher to a relief job. FWIW, the 2022 projected WooSox opening day roster (rotation included) has lots of guys that are intriguing relief options next year.
I would be looking to trade Duran and you guys would get mad if I said how little I'd be willing to accept in return at the end of the day.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 23, 2021 14:08:55 GMT -5
Seiya Suzuki. Sell high on Renfroe. Chris Taylor if he doesn't get a QO. Rodriguez or Gausman. Chris Taylor would be perfect on this team. I doubt hes getting a QO.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Oct 23, 2021 14:11:13 GMT -5
Seiya Suzuki. Sell high on Renfroe. Chris Taylor if he doesn't get a QO. Rodriguez or Gausman. Chris Taylor would be perfect on this team. I doubt hes getting a QO. Super sub. Bogaerts opt out insurance until Meyer is ready. Could take Hernandez's spot in 2023.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 23, 2021 14:19:17 GMT -5
I liked Chris Taylor more the first time, when he was called Kiké Hernandez. (I'd take Taylor at 2/14, or like 3/40 for that matter, but that ain't happening.)
I really like Bryant, if they could get him for a reasonable number of years. They need to add OBP skills, imo; Schwarber added SO much to the lineup with his approach, and Bryant is basically Schwarber with better defense and positional versatility (e.g., good insurance for a Devers injury).
Sign Eduardo Rodriguez; if not they have to get Gausman or Stroman, but Eduardo would be my preference.
If they're going to blow through the CBT I'd like to see Verlander or Syndergaard on short years. (Or Scherzer, but I assume he'll be staying out west.)
I don't understand the Gravemen interest. He's fine but doesn't have a real impressive track record. Seems like the sort of reliever (which is, as near as I can tell, the vast majority of relievers) who might be a shut-down closer or might completely fall apart. They need to add a couple of bullpen arms, but I'm not going to even try to guess who the good investments would be.
Oh, and also: extend Devers.
Am I over budget yet?
ADD: I second the calls to sell high on Duran and/or Renfroe. I want to keep Dalbec at least until Casas shows he's ready; heck, a cheap Dalbec/Casas platoon for a couple years sounds all right by me.
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Post by soxinsf on Oct 23, 2021 14:25:50 GMT -5
Chris Taylor would be perfect on this team. I doubt hes getting a QO. Super sub. Bogaerts opt out insurance until Meyer is ready. Could take Hernandez's spot in 2023. Chris Taylor was one of my early choices along with Bryant. But his recent loud and visible performance has certainly raised his cost. Doubt that he gets a QO, but would not be surprised if the Dodgers resigned him to a multiple year contract in the range of 3/45 or 4/56. They also know how important he is given his good numbers and play all over ability. It is not an out of date idea that great closers have value. Even in an era of bulk relievers, meaning fewer one inning guys, a lock down closer wins you a lot of games.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 23, 2021 14:52:09 GMT -5
I wonder how much Michael Conforto will get after his down year. He seems like a potential buy low opportunity that could help replace Schwarber's bat if he leaves.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 23, 2021 14:58:05 GMT -5
Another thought... Standard CBA caveats apply, but assuming the same basic structure remains in place - if they're *ever* going to go over the CBT, 2022 has to be the year, right? While they've still got Bogaerts, hopefully a healthy Sale, Eovaldi, and Kiké; and Devers and Verdugo coming into their primes?
It's not that I think they have to "go for it now with the core in place," just that they have a chance to build a real good team next season, combined with a lot of money coming off the books after next season and a chance to re-make the roster considerably then.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 23, 2021 15:00:44 GMT -5
Personally, if E-Rod declines his QO I'd let him walk - for the first time in a long time, we might be able to replace a starter internally who is a much cheaper option (Whitlock, Houck, Seabold). Use the money you would have spent on E-rod in other places and build up a bullpen and some additional starter depth. I like Raisel Iglesias depending on how high the bidding goes...
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 23, 2021 15:07:57 GMT -5
Offense-wise, I'd really like to bring back Schwarber to replace JD (Even if JD accepts his option it will be his last year here). Just let him get some first base and left field action for a year then you can slot him at DH after that, I'd be comfortable giving him a four-year deal. The only top bat I'd keep an eye on is Kris Bryant given his positional flexibility, ability to play in a big market, and just seems to have the perfect swing for Fenway.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 23, 2021 15:10:05 GMT -5
I am thinking with all the high profile names out there this year it will be a good year to go after the under the radar types. I don't want or see Chaim being in on a big name regular but I could see him being in on a guy like Thor. That I would be in favor of. Pitching wins playoff games as we just learned. If they can get ERod for a reasonable amount also I would be happy.
Rotation on Sale, Thor, Eovaldi and Erod as the top 4 would be top of the league. Sure the budget would be high for a year with all these signings but it would be for one year and then Eovaldi and JD are gone. It seems like a good time to build a really strong team that doesn't mess with the future, in fact they could make trades that continue to build the farm.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Oct 23, 2021 15:13:55 GMT -5
Put on the trade block;
Nathan Eovaldi - Sell high before free agency Christian Arroyo - If Jeter Downs is ready Xander Bogaerts - Sell high before opting out Bobby Dalbec - To add in any trade for better prospects Enrique Hernandez - Extend or trade, sell high before free agency Hunter Renfroe - Sell high J.D. Martinez - If he doesn't optout
Extend;
Devers
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Post by nuttyredsox on Oct 23, 2021 15:15:24 GMT -5
Bullpen.
MASSIVE REBUILT
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 23, 2021 15:20:09 GMT -5
Another thought... Standard CBA caveats apply, but assuming the same basic structure remains in place - if they're *ever* going to go over the CBT, 2022 has to be the year, right? While they've still got Bogaerts, hopefully a healthy Sale, Eovaldi, and Kiké; and Devers and Verdugo coming into their primes? It's not that I think they have to "go for it now with the core in place," just that they have a chance to build a real good team next season, combined with a lot of money coming off the books after next season and a chance to re-make the roster considerably then. We agree on something.... I also think next year looks like a really good year to "go for it" with a big budget year. Price comes off after next yr also, that's about 53m coming off. On top of all that is the very real chances that the cap goes up in this CBA.
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Post by manfred on Oct 23, 2021 15:22:31 GMT -5
Put on the trade block; Nathan Eovaldi - Sell high before free agency Christian Arroyo - If Jeter Downs is ready Xander Bogaerts - Sell high before opting out Bobby Dalbec - To add in any trade for better prospects Enrique Hernandez - Extend or trade, sell high before free agency Hunter Renfroe - Sell high J.D. Martinez - If he doesn't optout Extend; Devers !!!!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 23, 2021 15:43:25 GMT -5
After years of Jon Gray talk I'm certainly looking at him. That could be a very good value starter signing.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 23, 2021 16:00:32 GMT -5
Love this thread so far. Infield defense is a huge need, but I don’t know how we do it with Xander and Devers as our core.
I posted in another thread, a low K guy like Starling Marte complements this team well. Kris Bryant’s hitting profile is great for Fenway, but he doesn’t add much defensively unless we make some room at 1B (he’s just ok defensively in the OF).
Vince Velazquez and Mike Foltynewicz might be good bullpen conversion candidates. Raisel Iglesias is going to be on the Liam Hendriks contract track, so that’s probably not a strong allocation of resources. Graverman was a failed starter just a few years ago after all. Garrett Richards as a reliever will be pretty solid once he’s a full time reliever imo.
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