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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 29, 2021 15:26:41 GMT -5
Ray got 2 years of full no-trade (and an assignment bonus if traded after the 2nd year), plus an opt out after the 2nd year.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 29, 2021 16:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2021 16:39:13 GMT -5
So now we have a pretty good idea of what Correa will get. Probably between 325 to 350 million over 10 years. Let's see if the Tigers pay it. I don't see the Sox paying it. The Dodgers have money with Scherzer gone - so maybe they will.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 29, 2021 16:44:08 GMT -5
Starting to think maybe there's a strong expectation among the teams that the players are going to do good for themselves in the next CBA.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 29, 2021 16:44:15 GMT -5
Ray got 2 years of full no-trade (and an assignment bonus if traded after the 2nd year), plus an opt out after the 2nd year. I would've signed on for that. Minus 2020 (which I personally have thrown out the window - a completely aberrant sample), Ray has produced an average of $21.46M of value since 2015 (FanGraphs).
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Post by ramireja on Nov 29, 2021 16:44:45 GMT -5
Wow, teams other than the Yankees, Dodgers, and us are really spending aggressively. This is nuts.
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Post by manfred on Nov 29, 2021 16:46:04 GMT -5
And just like that, the Rangers have a new infield. Semien and Seager will make a nice tandem — then potentially a brutal anchor. But the Rangers ain’t gunna be a walkover next year.
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Oof. Hadn’t seen price tag. Dude is a very good player. $325 million good?
Mookie’s contract will be a bargain in another off season or two.
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Post by nomar on Nov 29, 2021 16:59:17 GMT -5
I’m not sure what the rangers are thinking. They’re trying to force a window open that likely isn’t there yet, and then will probably be paying off two anchors by the time their young talent is ready. Seems like a lot of risk without a big chance of a WS
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 29, 2021 17:10:06 GMT -5
I’m not sure what the rangers are thinking. They’re trying to force a window open that likely isn’t there yet, and then will probably be paying off two anchors by the time their young talent is ready. Seems like a lot of risk without a big chance of a WS According to the Fangraphs depth charts thingie, they were at 28.7 WAR before Seager. 33 WAR will get you a .500 record.
I agree that it's not really a great championship maximizing strategy. I bet fan interest fell off a cliff last year and now they're panicking.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 29, 2021 17:21:19 GMT -5
Let's just sign Correa, 10 years for $350M and let's rock it baby! I'm goddamn in, Henry stop being cheap and make it up for trading Mookie.
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Post by baseball3 on Nov 29, 2021 17:21:43 GMT -5
Starting to think maybe there's a strong expectation among the teams that the players are going to do good for themselves in the next CBA. Max Scherzer has been quoted in saying (paraphrasing) that they won't sign until younger players are being compensated and the league competition balance is fixed (too many teams tanking).
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Post by Guidas on Nov 29, 2021 17:24:15 GMT -5
Let's just sign Correa, 10 years for $350M and let's rock it baby! I'm goddamn in, Henry stop being cheap and make it up for trading Mookie. Don is driving the train and I am stoking the engine on this one!
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 29, 2021 17:40:50 GMT -5
Don is driving the train and I am stoking the engine on this one! Nothing stops this train!
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Post by manfred on Nov 29, 2021 17:44:09 GMT -5
Let's just sign Correa, 10 years for $350M and let's rock it baby! I'm goddamn in, Henry stop being cheap and make it up for trading Mookie. Correa does not make up for Mookie… it adds insult to injury, since it signals X would be walking. Hard pass on using the Mookie/Beni/ERod dividend on Correa.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 29, 2021 17:50:52 GMT -5
Correa does not make up for Mookie… it adds insult to injury, since it signals X would be walking. Hard pass on using the Mookie/Beni/ERod dividend on Correa. Not really, you could move Xander to 3B and move Devers to 1B. That would make it one of the best two way infields in the game even if they have Average Joe playing 2B.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 29, 2021 18:14:00 GMT -5
Speaking for myself, and looking at my imaginary watch....No...it isn't Correa time. Nor should it ever be Correa time.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 29, 2021 18:18:56 GMT -5
Don is driving the train and I am stoking the engine on this one! Nothing stops this train! Now I want to be in the front of the engine cab!
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Post by manfred on Nov 29, 2021 18:20:06 GMT -5
Correa does not make up for Mookie… it adds insult to injury, since it signals X would be walking. Hard pass on using the Mookie/Beni/ERod dividend on Correa. Not really, you could move Xander to 3B and move Devers to 1B. That would make it one of the best two way infields in the game even if they have Average Joe playing 2B. But they can’t pay all three.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 29, 2021 18:44:29 GMT -5
But they can’t pay all three. I don't think that's a good enough reason to not add a premium talent like Correa. The fact is that Devers is an atrocious defender at 3B. The Red Sox have a shaky infield, they need some talent there IMO.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2021 18:57:40 GMT -5
The Pirates trade catcher Jacob Stallings to the Marlins for minor leaguers and they release Colin Moran, who will be either a 2nd division regular or quality bench piece elsewhere.
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 29, 2021 18:59:50 GMT -5
Honestly I totally get this for the Mets - It's just money and gives them the best 1-2 in the league. The Braves won that division with 88 wins last year and then won the World Series. Yes everyone else in the division is getting better but I don't think any of them improved in the way the Mets did. We've all spent all offseason preaching about "higher AAV, lower years" and the Mets did just that for one of the best in the game. Unless I'm mistaken they will have gained picks for Conforto and Syndergaard, gotten substantially better, can blow past the luxury tax line for the next three years (at which point they'll lose $42mil worth of payroll on one roster spot) and have only lost Steve Cohen's money. When the pitcher is 37 years old, 3/130 is higher AAV and higher years lol
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 29, 2021 19:02:36 GMT -5
I am not sure signing those guys is *better* — Scherzer was a 6 WAR #1 starter. Gausman could easily turn into a pumpkin again. And this ignores the fact that not one of those signings is the front of the Post and Daily News sports page. Scherzer will put butts in seats. (Think of how many indie movies you can make for the cost of the Avengers!) Also, consider that, according to FanGraphs, 2019 Scherzer was worth $52M and 2021 Scherzer worth $42M. If one thinks he can maintain 2021 levels this is only a slight overpay. I think it was 1 year too long, but if the Sox did it I would not be complaining, esp with the amount of cash they have coming off the books next year. There is not a chance he maintains 2021 levels for three years imo. I would be pissed if the Sox made this deal unless they're intending to go full Cohen and just treat their cash like Monopoly money.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2021 19:03:36 GMT -5
Kirby Yates to the Braves for 2 years 8.75 million guaranteed.
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Post by notstarboard on Nov 29, 2021 19:11:24 GMT -5
But they can’t pay all three. I don't think that's a good enough reason to not add a premium talent like Correa. The fact is that Devers is an atrocious defender at 3B. The Red Sox have a shaky infield, they need some talent there IMO. Money is a pretty good reason not to add a premium talent, honestly. What other reason even is there? I'm all for improving the infield defense and have been banging that drum myself, but you don't need to sign Correa to do that. Baez is a similar caliber defender with good offensive upside (albeit with some bust potential) and will probably cost like 1/4 of what Correa will. The Sox could also go the affordable route and pick up an Iglesias or Simmons type.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 29, 2021 19:21:44 GMT -5
Kirby Yates to the Braves for 2 years 8.75 million guaranteed. With a 5.75 million team option. He's supposed to come back to the majors late this season after TJS, so they're mostly just paying for 2023 + the 2024 option.
I wouldn't mind having this deal for the Red Sox.
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