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Patriots 2022 Offseason Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on May 12, 2022 12:41:43 GMT -5
Interesting, so many look at Stidham has a bust who sucks, yet his former OC wants him on the team. He kinda is a bust who sucks though. Raiders probably want somebody who at least knows the offense in case of emergency I mean, the Pats basically gave him away for free. They’re moving up probably like 15 picks at a relatively inconsequential part of the draft. They don’t move him for only that and they don’t draft Zappe if they think he’s a solid backup. It’s interesting the raiders opted to trade for him to jump the waivers line though. Because I have no doubt he was getting cut
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 13, 2022 9:51:00 GMT -5
Interesting, so many look at Stidham has a bust who sucks, yet his former OC wants him on the team. He kinda is a bust who sucks though. Raiders probably want somebody who at least knows the offense in case of emergency I mean, the Pats basically gave him away for free. They’re moving up probably like 15 picks at a relatively inconsequential part of the draft. They don’t move him for only that and they don’t draft Zappe if they think he’s a solid backup. It’s interesting the raiders opted to trade for him to jump the waivers line though. Because I have no doubt he was getting cut How do you get 15 picks? It's likely over 30 with comp picks assuming they have a similar record. Saying 15 picks means you think the Patriots suck next year. They would have to be picking in the top 5 for it to be 15 picks, even then it could be more depending on comp picks and how the Raiders do. Stidham knows the Patriot offense, while it's likely similar, I'd point out the Patriots do things differently. Coordinators don't bring their own playbooks like other teams they use ours. It's why we always promote from within or bring back guys that were here. It's been a while, yet Denver did things differently when McDaniels was coach. It's just interesting because the Raiders GM scouted and was involved in picking him and McDaniels knows him about as well as anyone, likely better than Bill. So if he sucks, with no upside what's the point? Their offensive coordinator is our former WR coach, so he knows him well also. This isn’t just a new team wanted to get a look at the guy. Stidham isn't teaching David Carr anything. The Raiders GM gave us one of our better drafts in a while and picked Mac Jones. So I do find it very interesting the Raiders traded for him.
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Post by cdj on May 13, 2022 10:17:22 GMT -5
He kinda is a bust who sucks though. Raiders probably want somebody who at least knows the offense in case of emergency I mean, the Pats basically gave him away for free. They’re moving up probably like 15 picks at a relatively inconsequential part of the draft. They don’t move him for only that and they don’t draft Zappe if they think he’s a solid backup. It’s interesting the raiders opted to trade for him to jump the waivers line though. Because I have no doubt he was getting cut How do you get 15 picks? It's likely over 30 with comp picks assuming they have a similar record. Saying 15 picks means you think the Patriots suck next year. They would have to be picking in the top 5 for it to be 15 picks, even then it could be more depending on comp picks and how the Raiders do. Stidham knows the Patriot offense, while it's likely similar, I'd point out the Patriots do things differently. Coordinators don't bring their own playbooks like other teams they use ours. It's why we always promote from within or bring back guys that were here. It's been a while, yet Denver did things differently when McDaniels was coach. It's just interesting because the Raiders GM scouted and was involved in picking him and McDaniels knows him about as well as anyone, likely better than Bill. So if he sucks, with no upside what's the point? Their offensive coordinator is our former WR coach, so he knows him well also. This isn’t just a new team wanted to get a look at the guy. Stidham isn't teaching David Carr anything. The Raiders GM gave us one of our better drafts in a while and picked Mac Jones. So I do find it very interesting the Raiders traded for him. Well, I think there is a pretty good chance the Patriots aren’t great and the raiders are solid. I think the pats O/U is like 8.5 wins right now, thinking they’re a 7-10 team isn’t all that outlandish. But either way if you want to make it a 25 pick move-up at the end of the draft it’s the same point I basically look at it like the raiders trading for a priority waiver claim. Stidham wasn’t making the team this year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2022 9:19:15 GMT -5
Umm the Raiders have the exact same O/U of 8.5, if you want to use that as a bar. Doing that would put the pick around 43 picks earlier, there were 11 comp picks at the end of the 6th round this year. That's real value even if it's low on the draft value chart.
I'm just glad someone still sees value in Stidham because he should have started some games when Cam Newton was here. Smart guy, good athlete, good arm talent, etc He just went from two basic college offenses to the most crazy NFL one. Even if he could understand and learn it, doing it live on the field is something else. Then the injuries, which to Bill is likely while he's gone and they drafted Zappe. He was bitching about the one two years ago, then back surgery. Good move for both teams.
Don't mind me, I'm just over attached to Stidham for some reason. In my head I just see him lighting up the pre-season with Meyers. At the very least he cemented Meyers making the team!
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Post by texs31 on May 16, 2022 17:12:32 GMT -5
King seemingly got reps at WR today. But maybe it didn't go so well because he was released.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 16, 2022 20:53:01 GMT -5
Devin Hafford was released also. Bad attitudes?
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Post by texs31 on May 16, 2022 21:42:10 GMT -5
Devin Hafford was released also. Bad attitudes? Either that or health? Already cut Shanahan for a failed physical but, of course, these 2 participated. Signed a Long Snapper (Ross Reiter) but they had room on the roster to do so wo cutting guys.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 24, 2022 7:02:26 GMT -5
I know I am not alone here in thinking that Mac Jones is really good and the Pats got very lucky drafting him where they did, but. There are many out there, not so much here, that are still doubtful and are predicting a sophomore slump. Well he has done exactly what I thought he would do this off season which is to work on his body and his game just like Tom always did. I am going to go out there on a limb and predict an MVP type season, he won't win but he will be in the conversation. Without getting into the actual numbers I believe Mac will be close to leading the league in QBR and have a td/int ratio in the vicinity of 40/10.
I don't care about all this noise about who the OC is going to be and who will be calling the plays, BB believes in Judge and Patricia so I am not going to question that. IMO the Pats have been a little too predictable with the play calling under Josh for a while so a change could be good.
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Post by mobaz on May 24, 2022 7:27:13 GMT -5
I know I am not alone here in thinking that Mac Jones is really good and the Pats got very lucky drafting him where they did, but. There are many out there, not so much here, that are still doubtful and are predicting a sophomore slump. Well he has done exactly what I thought he would do this off season which is to work on his body and his game just like Tom always did. I am going to go out there on a limb and predict an MVP type season, he won't win but he will be in the conversation. Without getting into the actual numbers I believe Mac will be close to leading the league in QBR and have a td/int ratio in the vicinity of 40/10. I don't care about all this noise about who the OC is going to be and who will be calling the plays, BB believes in Judge and Patricia so I am not going to question that. IMO the Pats have been a little too predictable with the play calling under Josh for a while so a change could be good. Getting rid of a little fat and working on mechanics with Tom House are great starts. Can't hope for better, definitely not resting on his laurels of "I was better than expected" and first round exit in Year 1. Also showing up around Boston and being a Celtics superfan translates well with local fanbase. Now we just need to see it translate to the field! He doesn't need to be TB12, but can we hope for Drew Bledsoe with less variance? (i.e. 10 year starter in the top third of the league's QBs, but with more accuracy and fewer "oh no oh no oh yes" plays). I'm coming around on Tyquan Thornton. Saw someone on Twitter saying his release and speed could lend to using him like Brandon Cooks. I don't care as much about Thornton blazing straight down the field and Mac trying to hit him at 40 yards (not Mac's strength nor common part of Pats offense to date) but him smoking a CB at the line and getting hit 10 yards up in stride will be awesome, and play right into what Mac does and what the Pats have liked to do. Lots of film of that in college, really hope it translates outside the Big 12.
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Post by philarhody on May 24, 2022 9:02:09 GMT -5
Mac Jones reminds me of Peyton Manning. He throws like him, and kind of moves like him.
Belichick made his bones implementing defenses that had a few plays with a lot of variation. That’s how Peyton orchestrated those awesome Colts’ and Bronco’s offenses of the 2000’s. I think Belichick wants to make sure the nerds don’t overcomplicate things. Keep the offense simple, and allow the players to play instinctively.
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Post by philarhody on May 24, 2022 9:10:33 GMT -5
I know I am not alone here in thinking that Mac Jones is really good and the Pats got very lucky drafting him where they did, but. There are many out there, not so much here, that are still doubtful and are predicting a sophomore slump. Well he has done exactly what I thought he would do this off season which is to work on his body and his game just like Tom always did. I am going to go out there on a limb and predict an MVP type season, he won't win but he will be in the conversation. Without getting into the actual numbers I believe Mac will be close to leading the league in QBR and have a td/int ratio in the vicinity of 40/10. I don't care about all this noise about who the OC is going to be and who will be calling the plays, BB believes in Judge and Patricia so I am not going to question that. IMO the Pats have been a little too predictable with the play calling under Josh for a while so a change could be good. I agree with you. To be honest, I think Mac worked a little too hard last season. There were reports he was at the facility for 18 hours a day. That means that even if he lives in North Attleboro (not sure where he lives), he was probably only getting 4.5 hours of sleep a night. All that compounded with a late college football season and the NFL’s worst rest adjusted schedule, it was little wonder he hit something of a rookie wall toward the end of the season. I’m really happy to hear that he is prioritizing sleep this season. This guy should be on a Lebron/Brady type health maintenance routine. I really feel like Mac is a special quarterback with intelligence, moxie, work ethic, and elite accuracy. I’m anticipating a big year two in which New England makes it to the divisional playoff round.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 24, 2022 9:25:51 GMT -5
I know I am not alone here in thinking that Mac Jones is really good and the Pats got very lucky drafting him where they did, but. There are many out there, not so much here, that are still doubtful and are predicting a sophomore slump. Well he has done exactly what I thought he would do this off season which is to work on his body and his game just like Tom always did. I am going to go out there on a limb and predict an MVP type season, he won't win but he will be in the conversation. Without getting into the actual numbers I believe Mac will be close to leading the league in QBR and have a td/int ratio in the vicinity of 40/10. I'm a huge fan of Mac Jones, but I'm not sure we should expect him to hit that level. He just doesn't have the arm to be a Mahomes/Allen kind of guy. I think the adequate expectation for him IF he ever reaches elite plateau is for him to have a Matt Ryan or Drew Brees trajectory in that he becomes great at age 27. Not saying he will ever be Ryan or Brees lol but he doesn't have the tools to have a sophomore season like Justin Herbert had. The best case scenario for him is to remain a quality starter. I could be wrong and I probably am.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 24, 2022 9:45:23 GMT -5
I'd say the biggest thing going against Mac Jones having a ton of TDs is our stable of stud RBs. They had 24 TDs last year rushing and amazingly its a much deeper group this year.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 24, 2022 16:07:14 GMT -5
You all had some good points and reasons to be luke warm on him but I am going all in type 40/10 season with a 70% comp rate and 4500+ yards. Which along with a great run game, as umass points out, will make the Pats very tough on that side of the ball. What I see is a guy who excels in the over the shoulder throws because he is so accurate and has great touch, that will lead to a better deep game with Parker and Thornton on the outside. Not only that but remember what Bourne said a few months ago, that Mac didn't even get starter reps during training camp. He was getting reps with the 2nd team until he destroyed the Giants during a practice and won the job.
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Post by dcb26 on May 24, 2022 18:07:45 GMT -5
You all had some good points and reasons to be luke warm on him but I am going all in type 40/10 season with a 70% comp rate and 4500+ yards. Which along with a great run game, as umass points out, will make the Pats very tough on that side of the ball. What I see is a guy who excels in the over the shoulder throws because he is so accurate and has great touch, that will lead to a better deep game with Parker and Thornton on the outside. Not only that but remember what Bourne said a few months ago, that Mac didn't even get starter reps during training camp. He was getting reps with the 2nd team until he destroyed the Giants during a practice and won the job. From an admittedly non-exhaustive analysis, here's what looks to be the full list of active quarterbacks who have had a season where they hit all of those numbers: --- Rodgers came close in 2020. Brees did it once and came close a second time. If Jones hit 3/4 of each those numbers we should be beyond thrilled, and I say that as a huge believer in him.
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Post by cdj on May 24, 2022 18:57:42 GMT -5
Apparently Parker looked great on day 1 of OTA’s*
*it’s day 1 of OTA’s
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2022 5:34:53 GMT -5
Apparently Parker looked great on day 1 of OTA’s* *it’s day 1 of OTA’s The most important thing with Parker will be games played. If he plays, we know he’s good.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2022 9:02:00 GMT -5
Well besides health it's Parker picking up the offense. A major issue with so many WR. He had his best season in a similar offense, yet ours is much more complex.
Most underrated moves of the offseason, getting Parker and drafting two Jones at CB.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 28, 2022 12:54:01 GMT -5
You all had some good points and reasons to be luke warm on him but I am going all in type 40/10 season with a 70% comp rate and 4500+ yards. Which along with a great run game, as umass points out, will make the Pats very tough on that side of the ball. What I see is a guy who excels in the over the shoulder throws because he is so accurate and has great touch, that will lead to a better deep game with Parker and Thornton on the outside. Not only that but remember what Bourne said a few months ago, that Mac didn't even get starter reps during training camp. He was getting reps with the 2nd team until he destroyed the Giants during a practice and won the job. From an admittedly non-exhaustive analysis, here's what looks to be the full list of active quarterbacks who have had a season where they hit all of those numbers: --- Rodgers came close in 2020. Brees did it once and came close a second time. If Jones hit 3/4 of each those numbers we should be beyond thrilled, and I say that as a huge believer in him. Yes a bit over optimistic for sure, how about he just comes close to those numbers. With 17 games 265 gets you to 4500. Maybe 35/10 is more reasonable but 70% completion rate I think is doable unless they are throwing deep a lot. I guess I am really just saying he is going to have a very good season and surprise some people. Just like last year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 5, 2022 15:30:28 GMT -5
Isaiah Wynn not showing up is something. Mediocre left tackle not showing up in his contract year. If the Cs weren’t still playing, this would be a story.
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Post by cdj on Jun 5, 2022 16:33:40 GMT -5
Isaiah Wynn not showing up is something. Mediocre left tackle not showing up in his contract year. If the Cs weren’t still playing, this would be a story. I was thinking that myself. What an idiot. I bet week 1 starters are Brown-Strange-Andrews-Onwenu-Herron
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2022 16:39:25 GMT -5
I've never understood why they have voluntary workouts if you aren't allowed to choose whether to show up at them or not.
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Post by cdj on Jun 6, 2022 0:10:09 GMT -5
I've never understood why they have voluntary workouts if you aren't allowed to choose whether to show up at them or not. You can choose to not show up if you’re good enough or have leverage Wynn doesn’t fall into either of those categories. Unless this is his way of saying he wants out- in which case this is probably effective!
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 6, 2022 3:18:17 GMT -5
Isaiah Wynn not showing up is something. Mediocre left tackle not showing up in his contract year. If the Cs weren’t still playing, this would be a story. I was thinking that myself. What an idiot. I bet week 1 starters are Brown-Strange-Andrews-Onwenu-Herron He was a bad pick from the begining, (to small for left tackle) so is time to trade him once and for all.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 6, 2022 7:13:29 GMT -5
Isaiah Wynn not showing up is something. Mediocre left tackle not showing up in his contract year. If the Cs weren’t still playing, this would be a story. I was thinking that myself. What an idiot. I bet week 1 starters are Brown-Strange-Andrews-Onwenu-Herron I'd start Herron at LT if we're playing the what if game, for some reason he's much better at LT, he sucked at RT last year. Heck I'd probably move Onwenu there and start two rookie OG or go sign a veteran. Leaving Herron for when Brown gets injured.
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