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Patriots 2022 Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 3, 2022 11:22:42 GMT -5
Don’t forget the ones he let get away like Kenny Moore. At one point it was crazy, yet that stopped as quickly as it started. Who since Jackson four years ago? Like Myles Bryant is a nice depth piece on the practice squad, he's just slow. I'd love to believe you're right, I just can't trust it. I'm liking the CB and free safety depth in the 3-5th rounds of this draft. All i know it’s their undrafted hit rate is higher than their second round hit rate.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2022 13:48:27 GMT -5
Heard some say that Bryant might be better as a future S ("replacement for DMac" was used with HUGE caveats about replacing a great like Devin) Who said that? He's a decent slot CB as long as the guy isn't fast. He'd be a horrible fit at free safety.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 3, 2022 13:51:31 GMT -5
Think it was one of the guys who breakdown films (Lazar, Kyles, etc).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2022 13:51:31 GMT -5
At one point it was crazy, yet that stopped as quickly as it started. Who since Jackson four years ago? Like Myles Bryant is a nice depth piece on the practice squad, he's just slow. I'd love to believe you're right, I just can't trust it. I'm liking the CB and free safety depth in the 3-5th rounds of this draft. All i know it’s their undrafted hit rate is higher than their second round hit rate. Just stay away from 2nd round CBs, unless one drops like Roger McCreary.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2022 13:55:11 GMT -5
Think it was one of the guys who breakdown films (Lazar, Kyles, etc). I wouldn't pay attention to that guy anymore lol.
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Post by jmei on Feb 3, 2022 15:15:54 GMT -5
At one point it was crazy, yet that stopped as quickly as it started. Who since Jackson four years ago? Like Myles Bryant is a nice depth piece on the practice squad, he's just slow. I'd love to believe you're right, I just can't trust it. I'm liking the CB and free safety depth in the 3-5th rounds of this draft. All i know it’s their undrafted hit rate is higher than their second round hit rate. Eh, not quite right since they bring in a lot more UFAs than second round picks. But the overarching point that they are better than average in terms of developing UFAs and much worse than average at developing second round picks rings true.
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Post by jmei on Feb 3, 2022 15:19:38 GMT -5
Think it was one of the guys who breakdown films (Lazar, Kyles, etc). I wouldn't pay attention to that guy anymore lol. Bryant has mediocre straight line speed but good anticipation and recognition. You waste some of his short-area quickness as a free safety, but there’s some logic to it. He played safety in his last college year as well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2022 16:39:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't pay attention to that guy anymore lol. Bryant has mediocre straight line speed but good anticipation and recognition. You waste some of his short-area quickness as a free safety, but there’s some logic to it. He played safety in his last college year as well. His senior year he played free safety, strong safety, slot CB and even outside CB. He runs a 4.62 40 time, McCourty ran a 4.38 40 time. No player on D covers more ground than a FS. Bryant's one standout physical trait is his 6.8 second three cone time. He couldn't stay with the Bills WRs just running crossing routes, they were wide open everytime. Yet sure go stick a slow, tiny guy that can't jump much at FS to protect the whole backhalf of our D.
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Post by jmei on Feb 3, 2022 17:02:03 GMT -5
There’s more to being a good free safety than raw speed. Route recognition and reaction time are more important than a few tenths of a second of 40 time. Ed Reed ran a 4.57 40, Harrison Smith ran a 4.57 40 and Micah Hyde ran a 4.56 40, for instance.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 3, 2022 23:41:01 GMT -5
Those guys are all bigger, faster, have much more length and are much better athletes. Bryant has 28" arms and a lesser vertical than all the other players. Smith and Hyde have better 3 cone times, which is Bryants best trait. It one thing being slow, it's another when you have very short arms and doesn't have great athletic ability.
The difference is watching Bourne make plays downfield versus Wes Welker.
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Post by jmei on Feb 4, 2022 7:37:48 GMT -5
Yes, those are all reasons why Bryant won’t become one of the best free safeties in the league. But all those physical traits (or lack thereof) hurt him as a slot corner as well, and playing him at safety allows some of his other traits to play up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2022 12:12:59 GMT -5
www.nfl.com/prospects/myles-bryant/32004252-5950-4679-6cd2-c49b21a2a5cdThere's his scouting report after playing safety. It accurately predicts a move to slot CB and says even then his athletic traits are just so so for that position. Which is exactly what we watched this year. One of the things I look for in DB is PD, it translates fairly well. At CB Bryant had 13 in two years, 8 and 5. Not bad numbers, playing safety he had 1 PD. It's exactly what the scouting report states and why he's a slot CB. Reed and Smith were first round picks, Bryant went undrafted. All three of those guys have also spent a ton of time at SS in the NFL I find it funny the same guy that said the Bills didn't have weapons we should worry about, when I posted they scared me because of Bryant. How did that workout? Those weapons killed us. Now it's Bryant can play FS when he struggles as a slot CB. Shaun Wade is a guy who could play FS. Let's not also forget system fit, the Patriots mostly play straight cover man D. If you wanted Bryant to be a FS, his best fit would be on a D that plays a ton of zone.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 4, 2022 12:50:57 GMT -5
Does anyone think Bryant should be anything beyond emergency depth? If not, let’s not waste anymore time discussing whether he can be subpar as a slot guy or FS…
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2022 13:57:28 GMT -5
I think Bryant is a fine slot corner and he’s pretty good in zone. He got toasted in man by one guy who Belichick will probably go after this off-season anyway. It is what it is
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 5, 2022 10:56:40 GMT -5
Does anyone think Bryant should be anything beyond emergency depth? If not, let’s not waste anymore time discussing whether he can be subpar as a slot guy or FS… It seems clear Jmei feels differently.
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Post by jmei on Feb 5, 2022 20:53:07 GMT -5
Sigh, this all started when umass thought the idea of moving Bryant to safety was so preposterous that you should stop reading any analyst who suggested as such. I don't think it's that crazy of an idea and stand by that assessment. Let's move on.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 5, 2022 22:06:34 GMT -5
Welcome to the Rabbit Hole!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 6, 2022 11:28:26 GMT -5
It's rather simple, you think Bryant could actually replace McCourty at FS or you don't. As RJP said perfectly he's a fringe player. I stick to my statement that anyone who watched Bryant last year and sees a starter at FS isn't someone who's opinion I would trust.
In this day and age there are tons of people giving opinions, the internet is filled with self proclaimed experts.
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Post by costpet on Feb 6, 2022 11:48:39 GMT -5
Well, McCourty said he's coming back, so nobody is going to replace him. They have bigger problems on defense, like LB. Van Noy, Hightower, and Collins are now old and slow. That killed us this year. They need replacing. Obviously, we need a great really fast WR, too. The OL is in trouble. Brown is now a free agent and Wynn was terrible this year. The point is there's lots of holes to fill and, without a decent salary cap space, it will be up to the draft and maybe a couple of trades to fix it. Wilford was a 21st pick in the draft, so there should be plenty of good players to choose from. In order I'd go WR, LB, and OL. Also, with Jackson probably gone, a look-see at CB in the later rounds might be important.
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Post by cdj on Feb 7, 2022 1:07:23 GMT -5
Wynn wasn’t terrible this year, Herron/Durant are terrible.
Wynn is an average starting LT in the NFL. That’s very valuable in this league. I would still like them to try and upgrade there and see what they could get for him though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 7, 2022 11:05:43 GMT -5
Herron is very weird, he didn't play well at RT, yet I thought he was rather good at LT filling in. I look at Cajuste as a rookie. Onwenu takes over at RT and I really don't worry about him either.
Wynn and Onwenu didn't work and made both players look bad. You'd like to see Ted Karras back. Yet you need a OG. Wynns biggest issue after they put in Karras next to him was penalties and that can be fixed. He's getting healthier every year. I just don’t know what you do after next year. The thought of giving Wynn a big deal doesn't excite me.
I'd love to get a future starter at OT, OG and OC in the draft, yet only so many picks. I'm more focused on OG and OC in this draft given our limited picks. You can find gems late every year at those positions.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 7, 2022 13:46:17 GMT -5
Herron is very weird, he didn't play well at RT, yet I thought he was rather good at LT filling in. I look at Cajuste as a rookie. Onwenu takes over at RT and I really don't worry about him either. Wynn and Onwenu didn't work and made both players look bad. You'd like to see Ted Karras back. Yet you need a OG. Wynns biggest issue after they put in Karras next to him was penalties and that can be fixed. He's getting healthier every year. I just don’t know what you do after next year. The thought of giving Wynn a big deal doesn't excite me. I'd love to get a future starter at OT, OG and OC in the draft, yet only so many picks. I'm more focused on OG and OC in this draft given our limited picks. You can find gems late every year at those positions. BB has been astoundingly good at keeping an OL pipeline, but a few misses have definitely set them back, making the possibility that they have to spend big (in pick value or $$$) much higher. Hoping Onwenu can go back to a no-doubt starter... somewhere. Definitely agree on Wynn. He neither burned out nor proved he's a keeper.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 7, 2022 15:43:00 GMT -5
Herron is very weird, he didn't play well at RT, yet I thought he was rather good at LT filling in. I look at Cajuste as a rookie. Onwenu takes over at RT and I really don't worry about him either. Wynn and Onwenu didn't work and made both players look bad. You'd like to see Ted Karras back. Yet you need a OG. Wynns biggest issue after they put in Karras next to him was penalties and that can be fixed. He's getting healthier every year. I just don’t know what you do after next year. The thought of giving Wynn a big deal doesn't excite me. I'd love to get a future starter at OT, OG and OC in the draft, yet only so many picks. I'm more focused on OG and OC in this draft given our limited picks. You can find gems late every year at those positions. BB has been astoundingly good at keeping an OL pipeline, but a few misses have definitely set them back, making the possibility that they have to spend big (in pick value or $$$) much higher. Hoping Onwenu can go back to a no-doubt starter... somewhere. Definitely agree on Wynn. He neither burned out nor proved he's a keeper. I don’t think Onwenu did anything last year to think he’s not a starting offensive lineman. He was great at right tackle
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 8, 2022 9:50:43 GMT -5
Herron is very weird, he didn't play well at RT, yet I thought he was rather good at LT filling in. I look at Cajuste as a rookie. Onwenu takes over at RT and I really don't worry about him either. Wynn and Onwenu didn't work and made both players look bad. You'd like to see Ted Karras back. Yet you need a OG. Wynns biggest issue after they put in Karras next to him was penalties and that can be fixed. He's getting healthier every year. I just don’t know what you do after next year. The thought of giving Wynn a big deal doesn't excite me. I'd love to get a future starter at OT, OG and OC in the draft, yet only so many picks. I'm more focused on OG and OC in this draft given our limited picks. You can find gems late every year at those positions. Agreed on the future of Wynn, I don't mind him playing for 10m next yr as he is league average at an important position. But I also don't want to see him on a big contract into the future unless he haves a better season this yr. I think Brown is going to resign with the Pats for reasonable money. It seems like finding those late gems in the draft happened more when Dante was the Oline coach.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2022 10:02:56 GMT -5
Herron is very weird, he didn't play well at RT, yet I thought he was rather good at LT filling in. I look at Cajuste as a rookie. Onwenu takes over at RT and I really don't worry about him either. Wynn and Onwenu didn't work and made both players look bad. You'd like to see Ted Karras back. Yet you need a OG. Wynns biggest issue after they put in Karras next to him was penalties and that can be fixed. He's getting healthier every year. I just don’t know what you do after next year. The thought of giving Wynn a big deal doesn't excite me. I'd love to get a future starter at OT, OG and OC in the draft, yet only so many picks. I'm more focused on OG and OC in this draft given our limited picks. You can find gems late every year at those positions. Agreed on the future of Wynn, I don't mind him playing for 10m next yr as he is league average at an important position. But I also don't want to see him on a big contract into the future unless he haves a better season this yr. I think Brown is going to resign with the Pats for reasonable money. It seems like finding those late gems in the draft happened more when Dante was the Oline coach. Dante hasn’t been the OL coach for only 3 season and one of them gave us Onwenu… if we want to say that he was part of that draft then we have to say he’s only not been part of it for 2 seasons so it’s hardly a sample we can count on either way
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