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Post by patford on Mar 29, 2022 17:03:33 GMT -5
If they're retaining successful challenges, then at least at the MLB level, that is more or less full robo umps. It'd be pretty tough to keep Alex Cora from knowing what the robot will rule on every pitch. Allowing challenges is the most idiotic thing I have heard in the past 24 hours (there's an astounding amount if idiocy these days). I would wager a huge wad of $100 bills that the challenge is something the Yankees pushed for.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 29, 2022 18:00:33 GMT -5
Looks like this never got posted, but the way they're doing it in the Low-A league that I think is going back to being called the Florida State League now is interesting: www.si.com/mlb/2022/03/14/mlb-rule-changes-robo-umps-pitch-clocks-experiment-minor-leaguesIf instant and not the "go under the hood", wait 5 minutes for an answer-type stuff the NFL and NBA do, this might be a nice way to split the difference so that the important calls that need to be right are the only ones we're really going to the tape for. God no - this just makes me sad. 'We can get the call right every time, but we want you to guess when we got it wrong and implement a delay to figure out if you're correct!' It's why the NFL has a call-controversy every week while NCAA Football D1, with 7x the games each week, has only a couple each season. Then again, after typing this, I realize that's probably intentional... For the sake of baseball I hope this isn't the answer, but for the sake of money I fear it may be. (fortunately I have the gamblers on my side as I don't think they'll be happy with the missed calls) Edit: I just realized a possibly bigger problem here. You know how the Red Sox were penalized for passing on a couple of signs from the replay guy to the players, but we found out almost every team had the same system (advanced scout reviewing the video)? Now greatly increase the need to have electronic monitoring of the plate during the game...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 9, 2022 9:37:41 GMT -5
Ladies and gentlemen, presenting... The Human Element!
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Post by mobaz on Apr 9, 2022 12:12:37 GMT -5
Ladies and gentlemen, presenting... The Human Element! Yeah but at least he didn't kill all humans.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 9, 2022 13:52:32 GMT -5
Ladies and gentlemen, presenting... The Human Element! Just want to point out that the posters who are against the robo thing usually say there are only 6 or 7 bad calls/game. Well this is 16 calls, that makes a difference.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 10, 2022 16:42:42 GMT -5
And to be clear, Laz Diaz didn't affect the outcome of the game, at least in any easily definable way. However, the guy legit wasn't calling strikes in roughly the top 1/3 of the strike zone.
This isn't your high school Babe Ruth league where hey, as long as it's consistent and fair, let it go. This is a level at which the players are being paid millions of dollars. Call the strike zone at least close to correctly. Missing a close one or two, fine. But look at that estimated zone! No way that should happen in a Major League Baseball game.
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Post by hank on May 11, 2022 20:23:33 GMT -5
Gotta love the “human element”. Bring on the machines!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on May 12, 2022 14:22:29 GMT -5
Kevin Plawecki STILL does not want robo-umps, even after last night's debacle (per Pete Abraham).
Think you care more about that AB or that loss than Kevin Plawecki? Good luck with that.
The other night I actually heard Will Flemming say, of the pitch clock, "I don't care if the players don't want it, it's coming." That's right, they need to shut up and entertain us by whatever rules we choose for them. After all, sometimes we have other places to be and they need to respect that.
I care what the players want. When the players cry out for any of that stuff, I'll be onboard. Don't hold your breath though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 12, 2022 15:35:36 GMT -5
Kevin Plawecki STILL does not want robo-umps, even after last night's debacle (per Pete Abraham). Think you care more about that AB or that loss than Kevin Plawecki? Good luck with that. The other night I actually heard Will Flemming say, of the pitch clock, "I don't care if the players don't want it, it's coming." That's right, they need to shut up and entertain us by whatever rules we choose for them. After all, sometimes we have other places to be and they need to respect that. I care what the players want. When the players cry out for any of that stuff, I'll be onboard. Don't hold your breath though. Baseball is an entertainment product, so yeah, it actually does matter what fans (in theory) want. A championship is not the good produced by MLB. The entertainment product at the park and on the broadcast is. Honestly, is it surprising that a catcher, whose value is in part tied to framing, doesn't want robot umps?
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Post by incandenza on May 12, 2022 21:05:33 GMT -5
Kevin Plawecki STILL does not want robo-umps, even after last night's debacle (per Pete Abraham). Think you care more about that AB or that loss than Kevin Plawecki? Good luck with that. The other night I actually heard Will Flemming say, of the pitch clock, "I don't care if the players don't want it, it's coming." That's right, they need to shut up and entertain us by whatever rules we choose for them. After all, sometimes we have other places to be and they need to respect that. I care what the players want. When the players cry out for any of that stuff, I'll be onboard. Don't hold your breath though. I mean, yes. I think the player's preferences are totally irrelevant, and I don't know why you keep coming back to this. It's a product for the fans. The players also seem to like the atrocious zombie runner rule so that they can go home earlier, but that's no reason for us to like it.
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Post by keninten on May 12, 2022 21:37:43 GMT -5
I was against the DH. Thought that changing the rules was wrong. After it was put into effect and watched Orlando Cepeda hit instead of the pitcher I realized I was wrong.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 13, 2022 8:16:03 GMT -5
Could it be that Plawecki and others are just trying to stay on the good side of the umpires by saying he isn't in favor of the robo ump? Do you think in private that he might feel differently.
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Post by jimed14 on May 13, 2022 14:03:24 GMT -5
Kevin Plawecki STILL does not want robo-umps, even after last night's debacle (per Pete Abraham). Think you care more about that AB or that loss than Kevin Plawecki? Good luck with that. The other night I actually heard Will Flemming say, of the pitch clock, "I don't care if the players don't want it, it's coming." That's right, they need to shut up and entertain us by whatever rules we choose for them. After all, sometimes we have other places to be and they need to respect that. I care what the players want. When the players cry out for any of that stuff, I'll be onboard. Don't hold your breath though. At one point in time, NHL goalies didn't want to wear masks too.
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Post by jimed14 on May 13, 2022 14:07:37 GMT -5
Kevin Plawecki STILL does not want robo-umps, even after last night's debacle (per Pete Abraham). Think you care more about that AB or that loss than Kevin Plawecki? Good luck with that. The other night I actually heard Will Flemming say, of the pitch clock, "I don't care if the players don't want it, it's coming." That's right, they need to shut up and entertain us by whatever rules we choose for them. After all, sometimes we have other places to be and they need to respect that. I care what the players want. When the players cry out for any of that stuff, I'll be onboard. Don't hold your breath though. Baseball is an entertainment product, so yeah, it actually does matter what fans (in theory) want. A championship is not the good produced by MLB. The entertainment product at the park and on the broadcast is. Honestly, is it surprising that a catcher, whose value is in part tied to framing, doesn't want robot umps? Let me clarify that point. It matters what MLB thinks that new or wavering fans might want (but probably don't). They do not consider whatsoever what actual diehard fans who will watch no matter what care about. I honestly believe they'll do something drastic in the next 10 years like reduce the number of innings or eliminate extra innings with some sort of home run contest with aluminum bats.
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Post by hank on May 16, 2022 15:18:35 GMT -5
Kevin Plawecki STILL does not want robo-umps, even after last night's debacle (per Pete Abraham). Think you care more about that AB or that loss than Kevin Plawecki? Good luck with that. The other night I actually heard Will Flemming say, of the pitch clock, "I don't care if the players don't want it, it's coming." That's right, they need to shut up and entertain us by whatever rules we choose for them. After all, sometimes we have other places to be and they need to respect that. I care what the players want. When the players cry out for any of that stuff, I'll be onboard. Don't hold your breath though. Lol. Not sure anyone said they need to shut up. We're all entitled to our opinions. I respect yours. But in the end the fans pay the players high salaries so the fans views have to matter the most. My dad thought cell phones were a "fad". People don't like changes. "If it ain't broke don't fix it". But IMO it is broke.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 16, 2022 15:45:29 GMT -5
Kevin Plawecki STILL does not want robo-umps, even after last night's debacle (per Pete Abraham). Think you care more about that AB or that loss than Kevin Plawecki? Good luck with that. The other night I actually heard Will Flemming say, of the pitch clock, "I don't care if the players don't want it, it's coming." That's right, they need to shut up and entertain us by whatever rules we choose for them. After all, sometimes we have other places to be and they need to respect that. I care what the players want. When the players cry out for any of that stuff, I'll be onboard. Don't hold your breath though. Baseball is an entertainment product, so yeah, it actually does matter what fans (in theory) want. A championship is not the good produced by MLB. The entertainment product at the park and on the broadcast is. Honestly, is it surprising that a catcher, whose value is in part tied to framing, doesn't want robot umps? FWIW, regarding that last point...
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