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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2022 16:24:20 GMT -5
We're almost to the halfway point of the season. Making conclusions is more than reasonable.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 8, 2022 16:26:01 GMT -5
Bogey looked like a hammy. We might see Fitzy sooner than we expected.
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Post by cdj on Apr 8, 2022 16:27:04 GMT -5
Nice opening day punt to the balls
Whatever it won’t be as bad as last year‘s opening series. It will be interesting to see who sticks out of this pen
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 8, 2022 16:28:42 GMT -5
Barnes wasn't available with a tight back.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 8, 2022 16:33:40 GMT -5
Cora said Barnes was unavailable due to a tight back. Bogaerts has tight hamstring which was bothering him throughout last at-bat. Unknown how serious it is.
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Post by prospectlove on Apr 8, 2022 17:13:45 GMT -5
What I didn’t like was the top of the 11th. Runner on second and you swing away swing away swing away. Why not bunt him over to 3rd? Or maybe atleast make contact. Instead it was strikeout strikeout strikeout. And I realize it’s only one game but anyone really feel comfortable watching dalbec as a championship player on the team?
It a long season but there is a lot of work to be done I fear
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 8, 2022 17:33:44 GMT -5
Judge turns down 8 yr, $233M extension. Sure to draw media frenzy today. Very nice. A tall power hitter with a history of back problems. What could go wrong?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Apr 8, 2022 17:35:08 GMT -5
What I didn’t like was the top of the 11th. Runner on second and you swing away swing away swing away. Why not bunt him over to 3rd? Or maybe atleast make contact. Instead it was strikeout strikeout strikeout. And I realize it’s only one game but anyone really feel comfortable watching dalbec as a championship player on the team? It a long season but there is a lot of work to be done I fear King was throwing disgusting pitches and Cora has said a lot of times that he's playing for multiple runs on the road, not one, with the zombie runner.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 8, 2022 17:56:18 GMT -5
Two thoughts.
-This game really exposed some of the flaws we were worried about right off the bat. -They could very easily not have major league baseball games decided by trashbag rules.
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Post by cdj on Apr 8, 2022 17:57:41 GMT -5
Two thoughts. -This game really exposed some of the flaws we were worried about right off the bat. -They could very easily not have major league baseball games decided by trashbag rules. Also most games aren’t played in a clownbox
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Post by incandenza on Apr 8, 2022 18:18:09 GMT -5
Things the bullpen did wrong:
-gave up a stupid Yankee Stadium homer that goes out in zero other major league parks -gave up a can of corn flyout that scored a run because of that stupid zombie runner rule -gave up a worm-flattener of a groundball that scored a run because of that stupid zombie runner rule
What you can say is that the Yankees bullpen did just slightly better than that. But we knew that was a relative strength of theirs.
Extra innings baseball games are decided by penalty kicks now; that's just the way it is. I draw no conclusions from this game.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2022 18:39:10 GMT -5
I mean… I have my concerns, but it seems hard to say this game “exposes” anything. Just a loss. The pen gave up 1 earned in 5 innings. That is good. That’ll win games most days. Eovaldi looked very good, gave up a couple dingers — he won’t do that often. Devers drilled HR #1. X hit the ball hard. Other guys… day 1!
Next game.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Apr 8, 2022 19:02:53 GMT -5
What I didn’t like was the top of the 11th. Runner on second and you swing away swing away swing away. Why not bunt him over to 3rd? Or maybe atleast make contact. Instead it was strikeout strikeout strikeout. And I realize it’s only one game but anyone really feel comfortable watching dalbec as a championship player on the team? It a long season but there is a lot of work to be done I fear Championship player? My, some of you have extremely high expectations for this club. He's the best we've got over there. Perhaps just a placeholder. Let this team breathe a bit. See what we are after 40.
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 8, 2022 19:18:21 GMT -5
Bogey looked like a hammy. We might see Fitzy sooner than we expected. You mean "Wally Pipp"?
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 8, 2022 19:22:08 GMT -5
Regarding Xman and a possible hammy injury.... worth noting that red hot Fitzy is not in the lineup tonight. 🤔
Also..... Cordero has been good all Spring....
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 8, 2022 20:15:41 GMT -5
Opening Day 2004: Orioles 7, Red Sox 2 Opening Day 2007: Royals 7, Red Sox 1 Opening Day 2013: Red Sox 8, MFYs 2 Opening Day 2018: Rays 6, Red Sox 4 (among history's worst bullpen implosions)
There's time for them to turn it around.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2022 20:21:53 GMT -5
Opening Day 2004: Orioles 7, Red Sox 2 Opening Day 2007: Royals 7, Red Sox 1 Opening Day 2013: Red Sox 8, MFYs 2 Opening Day 2018: Rays 6, Red Sox 4 (among history's worst bullpen implosions) There's time for them to turn it around. But devastating for folks who picked the Sox to go 162-0.
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Post by foreverred9 on Apr 8, 2022 20:33:26 GMT -5
Two thoughts. -This game really exposed some of the flaws we were worried about right off the bat. -They could very easily not have major league baseball games decided by trashbag rules.I'm all for not playing long extra inning games in the regular season, but going straight to ghost runners is punitive. 10% of the games get decided in extra innings, it sucks to treat an extra inning win the same as any other win with these rules. But before we complain too much about it, this rule quite possibly was the difference between playoffs and no playoffs last year. We went 10-5 in extras and the Jays went 3-8. If these were ties the Sox would have been 82-65-15 (179 pts) and the Jays would have been 88-63-11 (187 pts). I find it hard to say it was entirely skill that got us that 10-game swing. I still don't understand why we can't have ties in the standings. God forbid American sports ending games in ties! Allow for 10 innings, allow for 11 innings, but at some point just put a tie on the standings and not bother with these shootout rules. At least in the NHL you get 1 pt for losing a shootout.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 8, 2022 21:03:56 GMT -5
Two thoughts. -This game really exposed some of the flaws we were worried about right off the bat. -They could very easily not have major league baseball games decided by trashbag rules.I'm all for not playing long extra inning games in the regular season, but going straight to ghost runners is punitive. 10% of the games get decided in extra innings, it sucks to treat an extra inning win the same as any other win with these rules. But before we complain too much about it, this rule quite possibly was the difference between playoffs and no playoffs last year. We went 10-5 in extras and the Jays went 3-8. If these were ties the Sox would have been 82-65-15 (179 pts) and the Jays would have been 88-63-11 (187 pts). I find it hard to say it was entirely skill that got us that 10-game swing. I still don't understand why we can't have ties in the standings. God forbid American sports ending games in ties! Allow for 10 innings, allow for 11 innings, but at some point just put a tie on the standings and not bother with these shootout rules. At least in the NHL you get 1 pt for losing a shootout. I don't mind the ghost runner rule in the regular season but I think they should wait until the 11th or 12th inning to bring it on. I mean, it's the same rule (and same ballpark) for both teams. You can hardly blame a given loss on it.
Still, recall that the ghost runner rule was instituted to prevent wear on pitchers after the shortened covid season. With the shortened spring training after the lockout, it's prudent to keep it for this year as well. Wasn't there some question as to whether they'd have it this season? I think it will be gone next year (just like the 7-inning double-header games are gone).
Of course, now that the new CBA allows owners to screw with the rules at their whim, we can look forward to all manner of dumb rules in the near future.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 8, 2022 21:05:13 GMT -5
If you get past 10 innings both teams storm the field with bat in hand, the first player to die loses the game for his team. There, I fixed the problem with extra inning boredom!
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2022 21:07:30 GMT -5
If you get past 10 innings both teams storm the field with bat in hand, the first player to die loses the game for his team. There, I fixed the problem with extra inning boredom! Pitchers *have* to hit the batters. First to miss loses.
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Post by geostorm on Apr 8, 2022 22:07:50 GMT -5
Nice opening day punt to the balls Whatever it won’t be as bad as last year‘s opening series. It will be interesting to see who sticks out of this pen
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Post by foreverred9 on Apr 8, 2022 22:10:31 GMT -5
I'm all for not playing long extra inning games in the regular season, but going straight to ghost runners is punitive. 10% of the games get decided in extra innings, it sucks to treat an extra inning win the same as any other win with these rules. But before we complain too much about it, this rule quite possibly was the difference between playoffs and no playoffs last year. We went 10-5 in extras and the Jays went 3-8. If these were ties the Sox would have been 82-65-15 (179 pts) and the Jays would have been 88-63-11 (187 pts). I find it hard to say it was entirely skill that got us that 10-game swing. I still don't understand why we can't have ties in the standings. God forbid American sports ending games in ties! Allow for 10 innings, allow for 11 innings, but at some point just put a tie on the standings and not bother with these shootout rules. At least in the NHL you get 1 pt for losing a shootout. I don't mind the ghost runner rule in the regular season but I think they should wait until the 11th or 12th inning to bring it on. I mean, it's the same rule (and same ballpark) for both teams. You can hardly blame a given loss on it.
Still, recall that the ghost runner rule was instituted to prevent wear on pitchers after the shortened covid season. With the shortened spring training after the lockout, it's prudent to keep it for this year as well. Wasn't there some question as to whether they'd have it this season? I think it will be gone next year (just like the 7-inning double-header games are gone). Of course, now that the new CBA allows owners to screw with the rules at their whim, we can look forward to all manner of dumb rules in the near future.
I could get on board with waiting a few innings for the ghostrunner. While the playing field is even, the ghostrunner creates many more scenarios where skill isn't involved (i.e. the GB, GB & run, Out inning). It becomes much more of a coin flip than a normal inning. So I'd concede it's unbiased but I don't like the amount of randomness that is now in the season results.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 8, 2022 22:35:20 GMT -5
Had too many important things going on so I only saw snippets of today's game.
Saw that the Sox were up 3-0 in the 1st, saw Eovaldi give up a 2 run shot to Rizzo, heard that it was 3-3 in the 5th, and then heard it was 5-4 Sox in the 10th and when I got home the Sox predictably lost 6-5. Can always count on that pen.
Don't like that ghost runner rule but it applies to both teams.
Guess Barnes being injured makes a tough situation even tougher. Guess Robles is now considered the closer?
Not a fan of giving Whitlock those long outings. Would prefer he starts if he's not going to be a 1 inning pitcher.
Losing on Opening Day isn't the end of the world although losing to that team after blowing 3 leads is particularly annoying. The most ghastly opening day loss might have been in 2018 when Joe Kelly got bombed in relief, and I would say that season went fairly well. And Joe Kelly was dominant in his final 2018 appearance, against the Dodgers, so 1st appearances don't always mean anything.
But that said I have a lot of concerns about the pen, particularly in close games. They'll have to be able to hold onto leads and I don't trust them to do that. And I don't thing their starters are good enough to offset it.
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Post by prospectlove on Apr 9, 2022 2:17:48 GMT -5
What I didn’t like was the top of the 11th. Runner on second and you swing away swing away swing away. Why not bunt him over to 3rd? Or maybe atleast make contact. Instead it was strikeout strikeout strikeout. And I realize it’s only one game but anyone really feel comfortable watching dalbec as a championship player on the team? It a long season but there is a lot of work to be done I fear Championship player? My, some of you have extremely high expectations for this club. He's the best we've got over there. Perhaps just a placeholder. Let this team breathe a bit. See what we are after 40. I don’t have that high of expectations for the club BUT we were 2 wins away from World Series last year. Shouldn’t our goal always be World Series if we are able to make the playoffs? And if that’s the goal- is dalbec a championship level 1st? And that different than all star or superstar. It’s can he help you win a championship by performing at an average or above average rate? Todays game he didn’t catch a ball on a pickoff throw ( not best throw but catchable for sure). He also struck out struck out struck out. Can it change? Absolutely! And I agree. Give it a couple months. Doesn’t mean I’m not concerned about him either
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