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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 12, 2022 12:20:40 GMT -5
Got lucky last year. Kiké, Whitlock, Renfroe, Ottavino for nothing. Câmon man
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 12, 2022 12:23:39 GMT -5
It’s great to have Rich Hill back on a mound for the Sox. He’s grunting away on every pitch and it’s lovely to watch him make bats miss.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 12, 2022 12:26:15 GMT -5
Binelas appears to be the only truly promising get in the combined Benny/Renfroe deal. I think it is fair to be critical of a series of moves that have demonstrably weakened the team — there is *no* arguing our OF is better — while creating long odds on future improvement. A few of those additions are already working their way down the prospect rankings. Will there likely come a day when we say “it was worth fielding a bad OF to have Grant Gambrell on this squad”? Benintendi needed a change of scenery. That deal made some sense since he just looked lost here. Renfroe was a completely different story, though. He had(arguably) his best season last year and really looked comfortable in Boston. He fit the team well and looked to be on an upward trajectory. I’ll never understand that deal to acquire the worst player in MLB from 2021. Even if they got a decent prospect in the deal it still leaves them with a gaping hole in the OF on the Major League roster. I am a big believer in Bloom, but I hated that trade on day 1(and still do). They got Renfroe with the idea of revamping his swing and/or approach to make him a better hitter. The idea was to improve his ability to go the other way vs. RHP enough that they couldn't just go after him there continually.
Sometimes when a hitter makes that sort of adjustment, the league can adjust back.It usually involves figuring out a new cold zone where he can be worked.
Renfroe's season:
.217 / .257 / .362 (148 PA) to May 25 .290 / .351 / .583 (342 PA) to Sept. 8 .211 / .268 / .421 (82 PA) to end of season .194 / .326 / .250 (43 PA) post-season
Normally you'd just call the last 125 PA a slump. But as soon as they traded him I said that they were selling high on a guy that they thought couldn't replicate that success, because the apparent slump was a counter-adjustment. Renfore can of course make his own adjustment, but it's npt going to result in the line in red.
Meanwhile, JBJ is a famously streaky hitter and slow starter, and it seems as if his new team had no clue as to how to turn his season around, either mechanically and/or psychologically. I've already predicted that he'll have more WAR than Renfroe this year.
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 12, 2022 12:27:05 GMT -5
Let's go Bobby!
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2022 12:29:49 GMT -5
Damn, Bobby D nutted that ball.
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Post by cdj on Apr 12, 2022 12:34:39 GMT -5
The loud grunt followed by 88 is hysterical. I love watching Rich Hill pitch
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 12, 2022 12:34:44 GMT -5
Damn, Bobby D nutted that ball. I like Booby's approach this year. He looks legit this year
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Post by nomar on Apr 12, 2022 12:36:48 GMT -5
Hill looking good so far.
Now to continue our mythical quest for a single
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2022 12:38:57 GMT -5
xBAs on Red Sox' balls in play so far: .540, .050, .930, .650
0-4
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2022 12:43:36 GMT -5
Just realized that I have to root hard for Hill this season, as he and Pujols are the only remaining major leaguers who are older than me.
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 12, 2022 12:45:44 GMT -5
Koufax vs Seaver matchup today? Lol
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2022 12:48:09 GMT -5
I always check the SoxProspects scouting report and rankings as I see it as definitive for our guys. First, neither of these guys is even ranked in the Sox Prospects Top 20. Second, Binelas us a third-round guy and Hamilton an eight-round guy. That gives both less than a 2% and 1% chance of becoming an MLB regular, respectively. I love ceilings as much as anyone, but I'm also realistic. I am always anxious to change my mind, but until they show they are more ceiling- than mean-projection, I'll stick with org guys for these two. These debates do get so much faster when one side says that all non-elite prospects are irrelevant in their consideration. Not even a point in arguing, we'll just never see eye-to-eye on deals like this. Not a knock on your view of the world, it might well be better for team building, but it seems a s long as Bloom is here you'll always have a problem with a big portion of his deals because he clearly does not see things this way.Neither of these is true. The fact is, most of these prospects will never make it, no matter how much we like to dream on them - and we all have our faves, me included. I just didn't like either of those deals, especially Benintendi. As for Bloom, I've said I will be a fan if he earns it. Last year was an over-achieving smile - and he deserves some credit - but I think it was a true outlier year akin to (though not as successful) as 2013. I genuinely think this team is worse than that team - and I hope I am wrong and will give Bloom full credit if I am. I did like the Story move and said so at the time, but he wasn't on my list of immediate needs to improve the team this year. I think Bloom wants to be the second coming of Andrew Friedman (and I do, too!), I just don't think he is so far/yet. But hey, Incandenza asked me what I thought Bloom's strategy was on those trades and I answered. I respect his opinion and everyone else's on this board. I just told him what I thought. I don't mind trading for prospects at all. I just didn't like the Renfroe or Beni deals (or not re-signing ERod for that money). I think those will all be clear mistakes. I will probably be wrong. I have been before.
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 12, 2022 12:48:51 GMT -5
Bleederville
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2022 12:51:15 GMT -5
Just realized that I have to root hard for Hill this season, as he and Pujols are the only remaining major leaguers who are older than me. Where the hell is Julio Franco when we need him!?! Or Bartolo Colon, for that matter?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 12, 2022 12:53:55 GMT -5
Needs to be an IERA category, for illegitimate earned run average.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 12, 2022 12:54:22 GMT -5
Arroyo is 0-4 on non-routine plays in the OF by my count
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2022 12:55:05 GMT -5
Like I was saying before, if there's a big outfield, I'd rather they just play JBJ against lefties. You just don't gain enough from Arroyo's bat to make it worth it.
ADD: xBA on Torkelsen's double: .090 xBA on Schoop's single: .070
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 12, 2022 12:57:23 GMT -5
This is a scoreless inning with an actual outfielder in right field. Arroyo is still learning, but he is killing Rich Hill in the outfield right now.
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Post by nomar on Apr 12, 2022 12:57:49 GMT -5
Like I was saying before, if there's a big outfield, I'd rather they just play JBJ against lefties. You just don't gain enough from Arroyo's bat to make it worth it. True, but maybe they should try to find a real 3rd outfielder so they don’t look like the island of misfit toys every game
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 12, 2022 12:59:21 GMT -5
Didnt we bring JBJ back because our RF defense lost us some games last year?
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2022 13:00:01 GMT -5
Like I was saying before, if there's a big outfield, I'd rather they just play JBJ against lefties. You just don't gain enough from Arroyo's bat to make it worth it. True, but maybe they should try to find a real 3rd outfielder so they don’t look like the island of misfit toys every game Yeah, if the idea is that JBJ is an upgrade on defense, but then they platoon him with a guy who never even played the outfield before (and isn't even a good hitter), then they're giving away value on defense anyway. It's pretty questionable roster construction.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 12, 2022 13:01:03 GMT -5
How hard would it have been to just sign Tommy Pham
or uh Kevin Pillar
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 12, 2022 13:08:37 GMT -5
Lost games because of RF defense last year..... gave up Renfroe to get back JBJ to give up some offense to fix that (more value on D) and then sit JBJ to play Arroyo in RF when he has never played there....... logic? JBJ has had decent atbats this year as well
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 12, 2022 13:09:20 GMT -5
Man how cool would it be to get some team's eighth best prospect for Xander Bogaerts and then turning around getting four prospects ranked in the teens by trading away the rest of the team.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2022 13:13:22 GMT -5
Man how cool would it be to get some team's eighth best prospect for Xander Bogaerts and then turning around getting four prospects ranked in the teens by trading away the rest of the team. Lol! We desperately need a sarcasm font. Can the mods work on this?
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