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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 29, 2022 7:02:19 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 29, 2022 12:10:25 GMT -5
Good thread about the pitch clock. Second point made me think about treating Hamilton's steal numbers with a grain of skepticism but he stole 41 bases last year too so this might just be him.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 29, 2022 13:43:27 GMT -5
That thread makes me like the pitch clock even more. Baseball needs to find ways to make pitchers less effective. I do agree that its very lame when there is a violation and the penalty is given.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2022 16:18:15 GMT -5
Maybe a playoff game can be decided by a pitch clock violation. That would be so exciting.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 29, 2022 17:24:23 GMT -5
Maybe a playoff game can be decided by a pitch clock violation. That would be so exciting. More exciting than playoff games getting decided by strikeouts from relievers who take 45 seconds in between pitches at 12:08 am.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 29, 2022 17:50:10 GMT -5
Bello and Bastardo both took first inning grounders off the foot but stayed in the game after throwing some pitches in front of the trainer
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 29, 2022 18:41:25 GMT -5
Maybe a playoff game can be decided by a pitch clock violation. That would be so exciting. More exciting than playoff games getting decided by strikeouts from relievers who take 45 seconds in between pitches at 12:08 am. To be clear, that was extremely sarcastic and I didn't even feel the need to italicize. I'm sure that didn't get lost on you. I know your scenario is annoying, but at least it's baseball.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 29, 2022 18:59:45 GMT -5
Bello: 5 IP 4 BB, 7 K, 1 HR
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Post by prospectlove on Apr 29, 2022 19:06:19 GMT -5
Maybe a playoff game can be decided by a pitch clock violation. That would be so exciting. I have been to a few minor league games this year. Have seen one game with 4 pitch clock violations. Which kinda stunk. But it definitely moved the game along. Game was decided in 10 innings in 2 hrs 15 min. Pitchers got the ball got the sign and threw. Pickoff attempts were less. It created action and kept the game flowing. For gaining fans and keeping casual fans interested it’s a good thing. For old timers or those not wanting change it’s not so good but for live of game and growth of game I believe it’s a good thing
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Post by jimoh on Apr 29, 2022 19:37:53 GMT -5
Duran has smashed a HR to RF and then a triple to RCF. Good to see him hitting the ball hard.
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Post by nomar on Apr 29, 2022 21:25:17 GMT -5
Duran has smashed a HR to RF and then a triple to RCF. Good to see him hitting the ball hard. It wasn’t a GB HR, was it? Bello: 5 IP 4 BB, 7 K, 1 HR Bello is awesome. Always fun to have a clear top 100 guy who isn’t top 100 for no reason. It’s an easy “I told you so” 5 years down the road.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 30, 2022 0:22:30 GMT -5
Maybe a playoff game can be decided by a pitch clock violation. That would be so exciting. More exciting than playoff games getting decided by strikeouts from relievers who take 45 seconds in between pitches at 12:08 am. So you'd rather see a playoff game decided by a pitch clock violation?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 30, 2022 0:26:24 GMT -5
Maybe a playoff game can be decided by a pitch clock violation. That would be so exciting. I have been to a few minor league games this year. Have seen one game with 4 pitch clock violations. Which kinda stunk. But it definitely moved the game along. Game was decided in 10 innings in 2 hrs 15 min. Pitchers got the ball got the sign and threw. Pickoff attempts were less. It created action and kept the game flowing. For gaining fans and keeping casual fans interested it’s a good thing. For old timers or those not wanting change it’s not so good but for live of game and growth of game I believe it’s a good thing I really don't get this obsession with "moving the game along." If you have somewhere else to be, why go to/watch a baseball game?
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Post by cdj on Apr 30, 2022 1:28:07 GMT -5
Northcut with his 7th bomb
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Post by fenwaydouble on Apr 30, 2022 6:17:40 GMT -5
I have been to a few minor league games this year. Have seen one game with 4 pitch clock violations. Which kinda stunk. But it definitely moved the game along. Game was decided in 10 innings in 2 hrs 15 min. Pitchers got the ball got the sign and threw. Pickoff attempts were less. It created action and kept the game flowing. For gaining fans and keeping casual fans interested it’s a good thing. For old timers or those not wanting change it’s not so good but for live of game and growth of game I believe it’s a good thing I really don't get this obsession with "moving the game along." If you have somewhere else to be, why go to/watch a baseball game? So only people who have nowhere to be 162 days per year can be baseball fans? I love this sport and I still find it pretty annoying that games regularly go 4+ hours even ones that aren’t particularly close or exciting. The players will get used to the pitch clock and the fans will benefit from it.
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Post by prospectlove on Apr 30, 2022 13:17:37 GMT -5
I have been to a few minor league games this year. Have seen one game with 4 pitch clock violations. Which kinda stunk. But it definitely moved the game along. Game was decided in 10 innings in 2 hrs 15 min. Pitchers got the ball got the sign and threw. Pickoff attempts were less. It created action and kept the game flowing. For gaining fans and keeping casual fans interested it’s a good thing. For old timers or those not wanting change it’s not so good but for live of game and growth of game I believe it’s a good thing I really don't get this obsession with "moving the game along." If you have somewhere else to be, why go to/watch a baseball game? Simple. People don’t want to watch 6 hr extra inning baseball games. It loses fan interest. Need proof? Look at stands in those marathon games. Die hards will stay. But they will stay for shorter games also. Even 4 hr games with 10 pickoff attempts for some batters have the casual fans saying no thanks. This keeps game flowing and people engaged. Besides die hards won’t go away to extent you will keep casual fans interested. As for game decided by balk call- that hasn’t happened yet. I mean Bobby dalbec could hit 55 hrs too so Sox should trade casas immediately for a starting pitcher right? I mean let’s react based off what could happen. Ild rather look at what is happening which is losing fan interest and one of bigger reasons is “ it’s less action to watch”. I like the business doing well and believe this helps.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 30, 2022 13:57:40 GMT -5
Like I've said, if a game has a lot of action, then 3+ hours is awesome. The problem is the 4-2 games that don't have a ton of movement that used to be a crisp 2:15 now take three hours. It's why pace of play is a bigger problem than strict game length. Innings six through eight, which should have a lot of excitement, instead take too long. Too many pitching changes (though fewer than before!), too much time between pitches, too many strikeouts because pitchers who have only thrown 8 pitches are waiting 40 seconds to max out every pitch.
I actually disagree strongly about the marathon games example. Those games are unicorns, and are memorable, and it also doesn't matter if fans drop off in the 15th inning. Nobody stops watching baseball or becomes uninterested in baseball because one weird game took 17 innings and 6:30 hours. That's a chunk of why the Manfred Man runner drives me so crazy - it waits until overtime to address the problem of games going too long! It's the regular that's the problem. World Series games routinely take longer than the Super Bowl and there isn't an hour-long break to act like an event culturally.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 30, 2022 14:00:28 GMT -5
I have been to a few minor league games this year. Have seen one game with 4 pitch clock violations. Which kinda stunk. But it definitely moved the game along. Game was decided in 10 innings in 2 hrs 15 min. Pitchers got the ball got the sign and threw. Pickoff attempts were less. It created action and kept the game flowing. For gaining fans and keeping casual fans interested it’s a good thing. For old timers or those not wanting change it’s not so good but for live of game and growth of game I believe it’s a good thing I really don't get this obsession with "moving the game along." If you have somewhere else to be, why go to/watch a baseball game? I dunno...maybe some of us have to get up early to go to work the next day so we can pay bills, so maybe that's an acceptable reason not to have games heading toward 11pm or midnight.
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Post by manfred on Apr 30, 2022 14:02:58 GMT -5
I really don't get this obsession with "moving the game along." If you have somewhere else to be, why go to/watch a baseball game? I dunno...maybe some of us have to get up early to go to work the next day so we can pay bills, so maybe that's an acceptable reason not to have games heading toward 11pm or midnight. Best part of living on the West Coast! Sox games over by 8:00!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 30, 2022 14:06:36 GMT -5
I dunno...maybe some of us have to get up early to go to work the next day so we can pay bills, so maybe that's an acceptable reason not to have games heading toward 11pm or midnight. Best part of living on the West Coast! Sox games over by 8:00! Not dealing with ice and/or snow or ice cold temperatures has to be up there.
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