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5/6-5/8 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on May 8, 2022 20:27:57 GMT -5
I’m at a point where I want Franchy playing 1B against lefties
13 for his last 112 with 43 K’s. Jon Lester’s NL batting line? Nope that’s the starting 1B of an AL East team
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 8, 2022 20:34:29 GMT -5
Negotiating with them is a pain. I want nothing to do with those idiots after they tried to low ball us during the Mookie deal. They are 3-25 in their last 28 playoff games and act like they’re in some weird sort of position of strength when we talk to them. No, they’ve made their bed. Now lie in it. Do not help these guys. Do you remember when we were trying to trade for Johan Santana and they wanted, Ellsbury, Lester, and Lowrie and ended up getting the Mets’ package haha. They were flexible though and might have accepted Ellsbury, Buchholz, and Lowrie…those guys are idiots Lol yeah. I will never forgive Twins fighting tooth and nail against the Sox and then laying down like dogs vs the Yankees for multiple decades. They also gave the Yankees several sweetheart trade deals than always try to act like the Wolf of Wall Street when we’re trying to work something out with them. I’ll always root against them in the Central.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 8, 2022 20:47:01 GMT -5
Do you remember when we were trying to trade for Johan Santana and they wanted, Ellsbury, Lester, and Lowrie and ended up getting the Mets’ package haha. They were flexible though and might have accepted Ellsbury, Buchholz, and Lowrie…those guys are idiots Lol yeah. I will never forgive Twins fighting tooth and nail against the Sox and then laying down like dogs vs the Yankees for multiple decades. They also gave the Yankees several sweetheart trade deals than always try to act like the Wolf of Wall Street when we’re trying to work something out with them. I’ll always root against them in the Central. They non tendered David Ortiz. Could there be a bigger gift?
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TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 8, 2022 21:05:35 GMT -5
And by not showing up for their 2004 ALDS against the MFY, they made the Greatest Comeback in Sports History possible.
Thank you, Twinkies.
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Post by soxfanatic on May 9, 2022 7:57:06 GMT -5
Trevor Story expected home runs so far based on career average per PA: 5.3, actual: 0
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 9, 2022 10:13:47 GMT -5
If history is a precedent, I'll gladly live with a last-place finish this year to win the world series next year.
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Post by chrisfromnc on May 9, 2022 11:40:07 GMT -5
I legitimately think the Red Sox will turn it around this season, but I’m not nearly as optimistic as I was 2 weeks ago. I’m still a few weeks away from completely focusing my fandom on the minor leagues.
It’s remarkable that a 237 million dollar payroll gets you a team that consistently plays this poorly.
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Post by nomar on May 9, 2022 12:16:25 GMT -5
We’ll see how patient Bloom is with the roster, but I think Dalbec is probably on the thinnest ice.
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Post by grandsalami on May 9, 2022 12:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on May 9, 2022 12:54:47 GMT -5
0 homers in 320 ABs is kind of amazing. The six regulars at those positions hit an average of 16 home runs last year, and they've collectively gone the equivalent of a full half season without hitting a single one. The odds against that happening randomly have to be astronomical.
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Post by grandsalami on May 9, 2022 14:25:34 GMT -5
0 homers in 320 ABs is kind of amazing. The six regulars at those positions hit an average of 16 home runs last year, and they've collectively gone the equivalent of a full half season without hitting a single one. The odds against that happening randomly have to be astronomical. Yup
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Post by Don Caballero on May 9, 2022 15:28:59 GMT -5
Yeah, but 0 homers in 320 ABs? Maybe those guys are shit!
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Post by incandenza on May 9, 2022 15:54:51 GMT -5
Here's how I would summarize the respective fortunes of the Yankees and Red Sox so far this season:
Marwin Gonzalez has a higher wRC+ than all but three Red Sox regulars.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 9, 2022 15:56:54 GMT -5
If history is a precedent, I'll gladly live with a last-place finish this year to win the world series next year. I'll side with you on the first part, but the future is shrouded in mystery. I think that it will be at least 2 years before we are solidly competitive.
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Post by Guidas on May 9, 2022 18:09:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but 0 homers in 320 ABs? Maybe those guys are shit! So to be clear, within the next 6 to 18 months - the front office is probably going the let go the three most productive guys on the offensive side and the best starter on the team? But we're confident in..."The Plan"? OK...
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Post by Guidas on May 9, 2022 18:18:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but 0 homers in 320 ABs? Maybe those guys are shit! So to be clear, within the next 6 to 18 months - the front office is probably going the let go the three most productive guys on the offensive side and the best starter on the team? But we're confident in..."The Plan"? OK... ADDED: I fully reject that teams have to tank to rebuild. There's at least one team in MLB that rebuilds on the fly and makes the playoffs virtually every year. That should be the model for a high-revenue, big market team. Anything less shows you have an unimaginative GM who is effectively interchangeable with all the others.
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Post by incandenza on May 9, 2022 19:30:24 GMT -5
So to be clear, within the next 6 to 18 months - the front office is probably going the let go the three most productive guys on the offensive side and the best starter on the team? But we're confident in..."The Plan"? OK... ADDED: I fully reject that teams have to tank to rebuild. There's at least one team in MLB that rebuilds on the fly and makes the playoffs virtually every year. That should be the model for a high-revenue, big market team. Anything less shows you have an unimaginative GM who is effectively interchangeable with all the others. Well the good news is, Bloom has repeatedly and explicitly said exactly this. The goal is for the team to never tank. Are you suggesting otherwise?
The team is in a little bit of a pickle because of the dry spell in the farm system over the last several years. They've been living off of Bogaerts and Devers being cheap, but now if they keep them it's going to be at premium prices. Meanwhile the farm looks a lot better but that talent mostly hasn't arrived in the majors yet, so they don't have much in the way of cost-controlled multi-WAR type guys.
But they'll spend on somebody. If they let go of the "three most productive guys on the offensive side and the best starter on the team" it'll be because they think they can find better value elsewhere. Obviously. I don't know if there are people who still think "Bloom is from Tampa, therefore he will forget to spend money on players"...
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Post by Guidas on May 10, 2022 8:47:11 GMT -5
ADDED: I fully reject that teams have to tank to rebuild. There's at least one team in MLB that rebuilds on the fly and makes the playoffs virtually every year. That should be the model for a high-revenue, big market team. Anything less shows you have an unimaginative GM who is effectively interchangeable with all the others. Well the good news is, Bloom has repeatedly and explicitly said exactly this. The goal is for the team to never tank. Are you suggesting otherwise? The team is in a little bit of a pickle because of the dry spell in the farm system over the last several years. They've been living off of Bogaerts and Devers being cheap, but now if they keep them it's going to be at premium prices. Meanwhile the farm looks a lot better but that talent mostly hasn't arrived in the majors yet, so they don't have much in the way of cost-controlled multi-WAR type guys. But they'll spend on somebody. If they let go of the "three most productive guys on the offensive side and the best starter on the team" it'll be because they think they can find better value elsewhere. Obviously. I don't know if there are people who still think "Bloom is from Tampa, therefore he will forget to spend money on players"...
I get this, and I've heard the words - and, yes, they were all the right words. Perhaps I've spent too much time with politicians and corporate execs earlier in my life, but I've come to believe in actions over words. I actually think he expected the team to semi-tank last year and was looking forward to trading JDM and Eovaldi. When they overachieved it was a pleasant surprise for everyone, but not a bankable increase in performance as many guys had career years or near career years. The actions of the off-season showed someone who didn't improve the team. I didn't think they'd be this bad out of the gate - and it's a long season so here's hoping for a couple 10-game winning streaks soon - but I had them missing the playoffs. As for spending money, there were free agents available in positions of need that won't have counterparts in next year's market, which is pretty weak overall. Knowing cash was going to be cleared, it seemed like the time to spend and take the hit on the luxury tax if the team was really predicated on being a division contender. With so much cash coming off the books they could spend this year knowing they'd dip below next year. We didn't see any of that until the very end, and that in itself was perplexing. If you're going over by $5 million, why not go over by $25 if you're really going for it with at least three big contracts and other money being shed in November? Value's great and all, but like I said, the market advantage of this team is they generate high revenue in a big market. Not seeing that being leveraged yet. All remains to be revealed, but so far, the actions don't match the words.
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Post by incandenza on May 10, 2022 9:41:43 GMT -5
Well the good news is, Bloom has repeatedly and explicitly said exactly this. The goal is for the team to never tank. Are you suggesting otherwise? The team is in a little bit of a pickle because of the dry spell in the farm system over the last several years. They've been living off of Bogaerts and Devers being cheap, but now if they keep them it's going to be at premium prices. Meanwhile the farm looks a lot better but that talent mostly hasn't arrived in the majors yet, so they don't have much in the way of cost-controlled multi-WAR type guys. But they'll spend on somebody. If they let go of the "three most productive guys on the offensive side and the best starter on the team" it'll be because they think they can find better value elsewhere. Obviously. I don't know if there are people who still think "Bloom is from Tampa, therefore he will forget to spend money on players"...
I get this, and I've heard the words - and, yes, they were all the right words. Perhaps I've spent too much time with politicians and corporate execs earlier in my life, but I've come to believe in actions over words. I actually think he expected the team to semi-tank last year and was looking forward to trading JDM and Eovaldi. When they overachieved it was a pleasant surprise for everyone, but not a bankable increase in performance as many guys had career years or near career years. The actions of the off-season showed someone who didn't improve the team. I didn't think they'd be this bad out of the gate - and it's a long season so here's hoping for a couple 10-game winning streaks soon - but I had them missing the playoffs. As for spending money, there were free agents available in positions of need that won't have counterparts in next year's market, which is pretty weak overall. Knowing cash was going to be cleared, it seemed like the time to spend and take the hit on the luxury tax if the team was really predicated on being a division contender. With so much cash coming off the books they could spend this year knowing they'd dip below next year. We didn't see any of that until the very end, and that in itself was perplexing. If you're going over by $5 million, why not go over by $25 if you're really going for it with at least three big contracts and other money being shed in November? Value's great and all, but like I said, the market advantage of this team is they generate high revenue in a big market. Not seeing that being leveraged yet. All remains to be revealed, but so far, the actions don't match the words. Well, Bloom spent up to the CBT limit last season and then projection systems had them being good and then they were good and made it to the ALCS. If you think he expected the team to tank then I don't know what to tell you. The actions have absolutely matched the words. It kind of seems like you're projecting your own expectations in between the actions and words somehow and then seeing your own projection.
Incidentally, there's kind of an irony here: the Bloom-skeptical people seem to think he had a secret plan to suck this year as part of some grand design, whereas I, a Bloom supporter, think the team he put together has just underperformed.
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Post by Guidas on May 10, 2022 12:28:21 GMT -5
I get this, and I've heard the words - and, yes, they were all the right words. Perhaps I've spent too much time with politicians and corporate execs earlier in my life, but I've come to believe in actions over words. I actually think he expected the team to semi-tank last year and was looking forward to trading JDM and Eovaldi. When they overachieved it was a pleasant surprise for everyone, but not a bankable increase in performance as many guys had career years or near career years. The actions of the off-season showed someone who didn't improve the team. I didn't think they'd be this bad out of the gate - and it's a long season so here's hoping for a couple 10-game winning streaks soon - but I had them missing the playoffs. As for spending money, there were free agents available in positions of need that won't have counterparts in next year's market, which is pretty weak overall. Knowing cash was going to be cleared, it seemed like the time to spend and take the hit on the luxury tax if the team was really predicated on being a division contender. With so much cash coming off the books they could spend this year knowing they'd dip below next year. We didn't see any of that until the very end, and that in itself was perplexing. If you're going over by $5 million, why not go over by $25 if you're really going for it with at least three big contracts and other money being shed in November? Value's great and all, but like I said, the market advantage of this team is they generate high revenue in a big market. Not seeing that being leveraged yet. All remains to be revealed, but so far, the actions don't match the words. Well, Bloom spent up to the CBT limit last season and then projection systems had them being good and then they were good and made it to the ALCS. If you think he expected the team to tank then I don't know what to tell you. The actions have absolutely matched the words. It kind of seems like you're projecting your own expectations in between the actions and words somehow and then seeing your own projection. Incidentally, there's kind of an irony here: the Bloom-skeptical people seem to think he had a secret plan to suck this year as part of some grand design, whereas I, a Bloom supporter, think the team he put together has just underperformed.
I don't think he had a 'secret plan' to suck as much as he appears to have put too much stock in over-achievement being mostly repeatable. I do agree that this team has underperformed. Other than the three established stars the offense has been dead in the water. I expected them to perform like an 80-85 win team. This is...not that. Though I thought they needed more than they got to be legit competitive, I did not think they'd be this bad out of the gate.
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Post by greenmonster on May 10, 2022 15:19:14 GMT -5
Any word about the changes that Cora alluded to??
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Post by Guidas on May 10, 2022 17:18:28 GMT -5
Any word about the changes that Cora alluded to?? Well he shaved his beard and this is the line-up. So technically, change, but not really. Ride or die. 1. Kiké Hernández CF 2. Rafael Devers 3B 3. J.D. Martinez DH 4. Xander Bogaerts SS 5. Alex Verdugo LF 6. Trevor Story 2B 7. Franchy Cordero 1B 8. Christian Vázquez C 9. Jackie Bradley Jr. RF
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