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5/13-5/15 Red Sox @ Rangers Series Thread
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Post by incandenza on May 15, 2022 15:52:02 GMT -5
For years and years I thought the cultural attitude in baseball that you were never supposed to celebrate - that you had to be stoic, and perhaps vaguely embarrrassed for hitting a homer or whatever - was stupid. I wanted more emotion.
Well, I wished on a monkey's paw, because now guys celebrate all the time, except nine times out of ten it's this totally joyless "I am a badass" posturing. The little dugout celebration gimmicks (which maybe the Red Sox started with the shopping cart?) are okay, but a little contrived. But the batter celebrating his homer by walking slowly and scowling is just sort of bleak. This is one of the things Renfroe did that annoyed me, for instance (not least because he would not infrequently do it when the ball didn't actually clear the fence).
Give me Yaz waving the ball fair in '76 [err, the other guy. and other year], or Mookie that one time he hit the big homer and almost fell over rounding first. Exuberance! Fun!
/end rant
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2022 15:53:54 GMT -5
Wow, 4 thru 9 in the order 0 for 16. Rough.
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Post by kjkramer on May 15, 2022 15:58:39 GMT -5
Brasier is not high leverage
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 15, 2022 16:04:31 GMT -5
For years and years I thought the cultural attitude in baseball that you were never supposed to celebrate - that you had to be stoic, and perhaps vaguely embarrrassed for hitting a homer or whatever - was stupid. I wanted more emotion.
Well, I wished on a monkey's paw, because now guys celebrate all the time, except nine times out of ten it's this totally joyless "I am a badass" posturing. The little dugout celebration gimmicks (which maybe the Red Sox started with the shopping cart?) are okay, but a little contrived. But the batter celebrating his homer by walking slowly and scowling is just sort of bleak. This is one of the things Renfroe did that annoyed me, for instance (not least because he would not infrequently do it when the ball didn't actually clear the fence).
Give me Yaz waving the ball fair in '76, or Mookie that one time he hit the big homer and almost fell over rounding first. Exuberance! Fun!
/end rant
for the record, i was never in favor of almost all of it. I always thought the action was the celebration.
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Post by manfred on May 15, 2022 16:13:06 GMT -5
I always loved Lombardi’s “act like you been there before.”
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 15, 2022 16:14:57 GMT -5
have to be swinging with 2 strikes there.
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Post by jimed14 on May 15, 2022 16:17:37 GMT -5
For years and years I thought the cultural attitude in baseball that you were never supposed to celebrate - that you had to be stoic, and perhaps vaguely embarrrassed for hitting a homer or whatever - was stupid. I wanted more emotion.
Well, I wished on a monkey's paw, because now guys celebrate all the time, except nine times out of ten it's this totally joyless "I am a badass" posturing. The little dugout celebration gimmicks (which maybe the Red Sox started with the shopping cart?) are okay, but a little contrived. But the batter celebrating his homer by walking slowly and scowling is just sort of bleak. This is one of the things Renfroe did that annoyed me, for instance (not least because he would not infrequently do it when the ball didn't actually clear the fence).
Give me Yaz waving the ball fair in '76, or Mookie that one time he hit the big homer and almost fell over rounding first. Exuberance! Fun!
/end rant
Pedro is giving the slitting throat motion.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on May 15, 2022 16:33:37 GMT -5
Fire Brasier into the sun Sagittarius A*
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2022 16:56:50 GMT -5
All eyes on the Celtics!!!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 15, 2022 17:33:33 GMT -5
For years and years I thought the cultural attitude in baseball that you were never supposed to celebrate - that you had to be stoic, and perhaps vaguely embarrrassed for hitting a homer or whatever - was stupid. I wanted more emotion. Well, I wished on a monkey's paw, because now guys celebrate all the time, except nine times out of ten it's this totally joyless "I am a badass" posturing. The little dugout celebration gimmicks (which maybe the Red Sox started with the shopping cart?) are okay, but a little contrived. But the batter celebrating his homer by walking slowly and scowling is just sort of bleak. This is one of the things Renfroe did that annoyed me, for instance (not least because he would not infrequently do it when the ball didn't actually clear the fence).
Give me Yaz waving the ball fair in '76, or Mookie that one time he hit the big homer and almost fell over rounding first. Exuberance! Fun! /end rant
Yaz waving the ball fair in 76? Almost like in Animal House when Blutarsky ranted "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" And his fraternity brother, looking at others' confused looks, said "forget it. He's on a roll" For the record it was Fisk who waved the ball fair in 75.
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Post by dirtdog on May 15, 2022 17:39:16 GMT -5
For years and years I thought the cultural attitude in baseball that you were never supposed to celebrate - that you had to be stoic, and perhaps vaguely embarrrassed for hitting a homer or whatever - was stupid. I wanted more emotion. Well, I wished on a monkey's paw, because now guys celebrate all the time, except nine times out of ten it's this totally joyless "I am a badass" posturing. The little dugout celebration gimmicks (which maybe the Red Sox started with the shopping cart?) are okay, but a little contrived. But the batter celebrating his homer by walking slowly and scowling is just sort of bleak. This is one of the things Renfroe did that annoyed me, for instance (not least because he would not infrequently do it when the ball didn't actually clear the fence).
Give me Yaz waving the ball fair in '76, or Mookie that one time he hit the big homer and almost fell over rounding first. Exuberance! Fun! /end rant
Yaz waving the ball fair in 76? For a second I was like is Alzheimer's setting in? You had me going for a second.
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Post by dirtdog on May 15, 2022 17:43:44 GMT -5
Todays lesson. Raffy cant carry eight other guys.
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Post by incandenza on May 15, 2022 17:45:59 GMT -5
For years and years I thought the cultural attitude in baseball that you were never supposed to celebrate - that you had to be stoic, and perhaps vaguely embarrrassed for hitting a homer or whatever - was stupid. I wanted more emotion. Well, I wished on a monkey's paw, because now guys celebrate all the time, except nine times out of ten it's this totally joyless "I am a badass" posturing. The little dugout celebration gimmicks (which maybe the Red Sox started with the shopping cart?) are okay, but a little contrived. But the batter celebrating his homer by walking slowly and scowling is just sort of bleak. This is one of the things Renfroe did that annoyed me, for instance (not least because he would not infrequently do it when the ball didn't actually clear the fence).
Give me Yaz waving the ball fair in '76, or Mookie that one time he hit the big homer and almost fell over rounding first. Exuberance! Fun! /end rant
Yaz waving the ball fair in 76? Almost like in Animal House when Blutarsky ranted "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" And his fraternity brother, looking at others' confused looks, said "forget it. He's on a roll" For the record it was Fisk who waved the ball fair in 75. Ha. My bad. This is sacrilegious but, as a Red Sox fan born in 1980, I can never keep these two straight. I mean, I know the difference between the two players, but I cross up their names all the time for some reason.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 15, 2022 18:04:02 GMT -5
Yaz waving the ball fair in 76? Almost like in Animal House when Blutarsky ranted "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" And his fraternity brother, looking at others' confused looks, said "forget it. He's on a roll" For the record it was Fisk who waved the ball fair in 75. Ha. My bad. This is sacrilegious but, as a Red Sox fan born in 1980, I can never keep these two straight. I mean, I know the difference between the two players, but I cross up their names all the time for some reason. Yaz's best HR in 1976 (others who were able to watch that slog of a season can correct me) came in NY on May 20th. The Sox had a huge brawl with the Yankees that night. Lou Piniella barreled into Carlton Fisk at the plate after Dwight Evans gunned him down, but he came in trying to flip Fisk who according to Bill "The Spaceman" Lee tagged him with his glove and his fist, not necessarily in that order. The fight escalated to the point where Mickey Rivers was sucker punching a lot of Red Sox players and Graig Nettles dropped Bill Lee on his pitching shoulder and when Lee realized he was injured he swore at Nettles and tried to throw a punch with an arm that no long worked. Unfortunately Nettles' arm did work and he decked Lee and with Lee's injury, his season was shot and he wasn't fully healthy until 1979, with Montreal. With bad feelings all around, Yaz who had homered 3 times against the Tigers the day before, hit his second homer of this game against NY, giving him 5 HRs in 2 days at age 36 and he stood there and didn't move when he hit his 2nd HR of the game. He stood at home plate and waited for the ball to leave. He wanted it to sink into the Yankees what he had done to them, so the Sox did win the game, but they lost the fight and ultimately the war that year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 15, 2022 18:05:36 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on May 15, 2022 18:40:52 GMT -5
And that my friends was the moment I began to hate the Yankees....45 years later, the feeling is alive and well.
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Post by dirtdog on May 15, 2022 18:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by dirtdog on May 15, 2022 18:55:28 GMT -5
I would call that an interesting turn of events. If everybody stays realistic maybe he could hang around.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 15, 2022 19:08:08 GMT -5
I would call that an interesting turn of events. If everybody stays realistic maybe he could hang around. I take it as him saying he doesn't necessarily need a 30 plus million annual salary for a lot of years. If they offer him something significantly higher than what he is making now, say 27 million per year and they can agree on 6 or 7 years, I think he'd seriously consider it. If they offer him Trevor Story's contract, he'll probably balk and rightfully so. If Bloom is realistic he has to realize that Devers is likely going to be looking for top market $ and is probably headed elsewhere and that extending Bogaerts would be a lot cheaper, especially if he winds up at 3b down the road.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 15, 2022 19:08:39 GMT -5
Refusing to negotiate during the season is always kind of a bluff. It's not like anybody is going to take a principled stand against signing contracts in May if the money is good enough.
edit: More newsworthy is that quote where seems warm to the idea of the St Louis Cardinals, given his no trade clause.
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Post by incandenza on May 15, 2022 19:16:01 GMT -5
I'm just not optimistic. The Red Sox offered him 4/90; hard to see them turning around and saying "well, okay, I guess we can go to 7/200" or whatever it is that would get it done.
Still don't see why they didn't make a $100 million offer. He would obviously still turn it down, but at least they would have offered him a nine-figure deal, which would look a little better.
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Post by jimoh on May 15, 2022 20:04:37 GMT -5
I'm just not optimistic. The Red Sox offered him 4/90; hard to see them turning around and saying "well, okay, I guess we can go to 7/200" or whatever it is that would get it done. Still don't see why they didn't make a $100 million offer. He would obviously still turn it down, but at least they would have offered him a nine-figure deal, which would look a little better. Offer him the Story deal, in length and structure, but $5M more per year; 28 instead of 23. Slight overpay, but worth it to help build a team. They have the money.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on May 15, 2022 20:22:32 GMT -5
And that my friends was the moment I began to hate the Yankees....45 years later, the feeling is alive and well. Tough year that 1976, coming off that magical 1975 WS appearance. Funny that there are some parallels to this season. Not a great start to the season, later on a feeling of growing dread of losing 3 all-star level players - Lynn, Burleson, and Fisk to free agency when free agency was relatively new. They all wound up signing new contracts for 1977 and on later on in the season which was a great relief. But if I remember correctly, the fan-base was openly hostile - booing them at home games because they (advised by their agents) were going through the process of "playing out their options" for a time. Back then fans were decidedly pro-management on contract matters. Today it would be like if the fans at Fenway started to boo Xander because he is potential leaving at the end of the season. That was my age-14 fan season, and a disappointing one.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 15, 2022 22:21:51 GMT -5
And that my friends was the moment I began to hate the Yankees....45 years later, the feeling is alive and well. Tough year that 1976, coming off that magical 1975 WS appearance. Funny that there are some parallels to this season. Not a great start to the season, later on a feeling of growing dread of losing 3 all-star level players - Lynn, Burleson, and Fisk to free agency when free agency was relatively new. They all wound up signing new contracts for 1977 and on later on in the season which was a great relief. But if I remember correctly, the fan-base was openly hostile - booing them at home games because they (advised by their agents) were going through the process of "playing out their options" for a time. Back then fans were decidedly pro-management on contract matters. Today it would be like if the fans at Fenway started to boo Xander because he is potential leaving at the end of the season. That was my age-14 fan season, and a disappointing one. Like the 2022 Sox they started off 6-5 and then hit the skids. The 76 Sox lost 10 in a row somehow with all that talent, including new addition Fergie Jenkins. They also lost their owner to cancer and 4 days later fired their alcoholic manager. A month earlier they acquired a HOF closer in Rollie Fingers along with Joe Rudi, but had the deal voided by the commissioner. Where was he when the Sox were jumpstarting the Yankees dynasty in the 1920s? Lol. One irony is that the most hated man that year was Jeremy Kapstein, the guy better known now for sitting in the front row at Fenway in the windbreaker. But he was the agent for Lynn, Fisk, and Burleson and he was reviled.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on May 15, 2022 22:46:10 GMT -5
For years and years I thought the cultural attitude in baseball that you were never supposed to celebrate - that you had to be stoic, and perhaps vaguely embarrrassed for hitting a homer or whatever - was stupid. I wanted more emotion. Well, I wished on a monkey's paw, because now guys celebrate all the time, except nine times out of ten it's this totally joyless "I am a badass" posturing. The little dugout celebration gimmicks (which maybe the Red Sox started with the shopping cart?) are okay, but a little contrived. But the batter celebrating his homer by walking slowly and scowling is just sort of bleak. This is one of the things Renfroe did that annoyed me, for instance (not least because he would not infrequently do it when the ball didn't actually clear the fence).
Give me Yaz waving the ball fair in '76, or Mookie that one time he hit the big homer and almost fell over rounding first. Exuberance! Fun! /end rant
Yaz waving the ball fair in 76? Almost like in Animal House when Blutarsky ranted "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" And his fraternity brother, looking at others' confused looks, said "forget it. He's on a roll" For the record it was Fisk who waved the ball fair in 75. For the record, Yaz was trying to wave the ball foul when he popped out in '78...
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