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Bruins '22 Offseason Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Jul 12, 2022 17:00:32 GMT -5
Can’t take people who think Ullmark is a backup goalie seriously. Like Tex said, temporary ban!
2 games on the road against Carolina where the team looked like absolute trash does not change that. The team no-showed the entire series when they didn’t get final change. Not a single person could come away from those games blaming Ullmark for the loss. They were getting dominated on the road
You absolutely could not lean on Swayman as a 1A if you were serious about contending. His career high was like 35 games, it would be like relying on Bello to log 190 innings this season. People forget that Swayman really tapered off for a stretch in the 2nd half of the regular season. He hit a rookie wall. Ullmark propped them up then
And if the bruins want to deal Ullmark they’ll have no problem doing so. Shit they could have probably gotten a first from the Avalanche if they wanted to. They probably have zero interest in doing so until they’re not contenders (Bergeron retiring). Now that Swayman is more established it’s conceivable they’ll move him to sign a cheaper vet, I still don’t really see them being interested in doing that
They’re spending $6 mill total on one of the best goalie rooms in the league, that’s a great allocation of funds if you ask me. That’s the cost of one good goalie, they have 2 good goalies for the same price. I’d look to the real overpays on the other parts of the roster if you want to criticize. There are plenty of actually redundant pieces making real money that hurt us as we try to retool a little
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 12, 2022 19:30:16 GMT -5
I was arguing last offseason that they should run with 2 rookie goalies. Then I blasted the Vlader trade. In theory, you’re right Tex, but this team needed to roll the dice on the goalies because their skaters were so shallow after years of crappy drafting. They needed some balls and didn’t have them and ended up where they did as a result. Of course, Sweeney wouldn’t have signed the right skater anyways so whatever…
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Post by cdj on Jul 12, 2022 20:01:16 GMT -5
Flames fans did not like Vladar at all fwiw. The flames were great at suppressing offense and he still posted mediocre at best numbers in his limited time. He’s not that good. Maybe he becomes good, but trading him for a 3rd isn’t a bad move at all. He looks like an average backup at best. Put him in front of a team with less structure last season and I bet the sv% falls below .900
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Post by texs31 on Jul 12, 2022 21:21:53 GMT -5
So some had him as a top Bruins prospect, some didn't. Sounds like a jury's out assesment overall.
Don't disagree with RJP that maybe Boston needed to do something ballsy. But there is a difference between that and making a mistake.
I'd certainly list overpaying backend guys as mistakes (and what cost you a chance to improve your F depth) over paying a good goalie, good goalie money.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2022 9:10:44 GMT -5
Calling Ullmark a backup on this team says more about Swayman than Ullmark and is a reflection of the guy that started your last 5 games. I never said Ullmark sucked, yet you can only play one goalie at a time. Having two good ones is a luxury and this team has many other needs.
I guess I'd asked what rankings at this time last year didn't have Swayman rated high? We had this lively debate when they signed Ullmark.
Absolutely no young player is a given stud. It's why I would have signed a veteran.
Which brings us to my biggest issue, the contract with no movement and no trade clauses for all four years. Without those clauses you could easily trade him and likely get good value in the way of picks or another player to fill a bigger need. That's now incredibly hard given he can veto any trade for the next year and half the teams the next two years. That takes away your leverage and will reduce your return if he even agrees to any move as he's calling the shots. You did that with one of your top prospects NHL ready, who had an epic two year run.
Isn't trading Ullmark one of the easiest ways to make the moves this teams needs?
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Post by texs31 on Jul 13, 2022 10:04:08 GMT -5
Pavel Zacha is getting traded to Boston. No word on what's heading in the other direction.
EDIT - For Erik Haula straight up.
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2022 12:08:56 GMT -5
Very interesting deal. Apparently acquiring Zacha allows us to buy a player out later this summer- something to do with him and arbitration
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Post by homerdante on Jul 13, 2022 12:31:56 GMT -5
Hopefully Coyle is gone. I have no idea what sort of advanced metrics justified the cost of the guy, but for 5+Million per year, I want a heck of a lot more production. What an albatross.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2022 13:56:32 GMT -5
Hopefully Coyle is gone. I have no idea what sort of advanced metrics justified the cost of the guy, but for 5+Million per year, I want a heck of a lot more production. What an albatross. Easy on Charlie, he’s my hometown guy, great guy, but yea he’s overpaid by about 1.5m
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2022 14:03:49 GMT -5
Coyle made that money during the cup run. He’s def overpaid a bit, but big possession monsters make good money in the league. I wouldn’t be against trading him but it’s not something I think desperately needs to happen
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Post by homerdante on Jul 13, 2022 14:04:20 GMT -5
Hopefully Coyle is gone. I have no idea what sort of advanced metrics justified the cost of the guy, but for 5+Million per year, I want a heck of a lot more production. What an albatross. Easy on Charlie, he’s my hometown guy, great guy, but yea he’s overpaid by about 1.5m I wasn't suggesting he kills kittens, just that there's no way he's worth 6.4% of the overall cap. Unfortunately, I'd bet it's Foligno, which still saves 3.8 and he has only 1 year left, but 4 more years of Charlie Coyle and that bloated contract is a Backes style hamstring of the cap flexibility of the team. THAT is vintage Sweeney and part of the reason he should have been fired and replaced.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 13, 2022 16:56:23 GMT -5
Meh so far at best. More shuffling around of mediocre players.
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2022 18:01:03 GMT -5
They’re not going to be aggressive in free agency, they’re going to bring back Bergeron and Krejci and that will eat up a lot of their money
I’m intrigued by the AJ Greer signing, I think he can make it as a 4th liner and he was a guy I had an eye on mid-season last year to add some sandpaper to the team. Really good AHL player at the very worst. Big kid, good skater. Can score at a ppg in the AHL but has a limited offensive skillset overall. He could make it though.
Lazar to Vancouver, Froden to the Kraken
Zacha for Haula is a lateral move with the upside to be better than that
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Post by homerdante on Jul 13, 2022 18:32:35 GMT -5
I liked Lazar, but 1 Mill per for 3 years for a 4th liner. Maybe that's too much?
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 13, 2022 19:02:31 GMT -5
Sweeney finally struck he signed AJ Greer, Vinni Lettieri, Dan Renouf, Connor Carrick, Keith Kinnkaid. Start polishing Lord Stanley!
lol, just being a jerk. I know you need to make these signings for the organization. Counting the days for Fabian Lysell.
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2022 23:06:38 GMT -5
Greer was teammates with McAvoy and Gryz at BU
Kinkaid is good for Providence. Solid 3rd goalie to have. Lettieri is the classic AHL superstar that doesn’t really have it at the next level. Renouf is a Lewington replacement. Carrick is a good 8th/9th defenseman to have. Plenty of experience in the show.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2022 13:00:34 GMT -5
Easy on Charlie, he’s my hometown guy, great guy, but yea he’s overpaid by about 1.5m I wasn't suggesting he kills kittens, just that there's no way he's worth 6.4% of the overall cap. Unfortunately, I'd bet it's Foligno, which still saves 3.8 and he has only 1 year left, but 4 more years of Charlie Coyle and that bloated contract is a Backes style hamstring of the cap flexibility of the team. THAT is vintage Sweeney and part of the reason he should have been fired and replaced. I wouldn’t put it nearly on the level of Backes, he couldn’t even play anymore. Coyle is a legit NHL player. He should probably be making 3.5m a year not a little over $5m. If that “overpay” kills you then your GM sucks, which ours kind of does.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 14, 2022 18:47:32 GMT -5
I am a very casual Bruins fan. But can someone explain to me how this GM still has his job? This team has only gotten progressively worse since Don Sweeney became the GM.
If this was any other team in Boston, the fans would be irate. It would be like Dave Dombrowski selling the farm. Only if you didn’t win a championship. And you didn't really improve the team through trades. You just got worse and worse.
What am I missing here? Why did Cassidy get fired when this roster has been so badly damaged?
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2022 20:16:55 GMT -5
I am a very casual Bruins fan. But can someone explain to me how this GM still has his job? This team has only gotten progressively worse since Don Sweeney became the GM. If this was any other team in Boston, the fans would be irate. It would be like Dave Dombrowski selling the farm. Only if you didn’t win a championship. And you didn't really improve the team through trades. You just got worse and worse. What am I missing here? Why did Cassidy get fired when this roster has been so badly damaged? Players seem to have disliked Cassidy I wouldn’t say they’ve gotten progressively worse- he took over a team on the decline and did a retool and then they made it to game 7 of the cup. Since then they’ve been kinda stuck in “good-not-great” territory. Not seeing this progressive decline He should have been fired though, he is pretty mediocre. I would have cleaned house. Get some fresh eyes in here.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 15, 2022 11:55:47 GMT -5
I am a very casual Bruins fan. But can someone explain to me how this GM still has his job? This team has only gotten progressively worse since Don Sweeney became the GM. If this was any other team in Boston, the fans would be irate. It would be like Dave Dombrowski selling the farm. Only if you didn’t win a championship. And you didn't really improve the team through trades. You just got worse and worse. What am I missing here? Why did Cassidy get fired when this roster has been so badly damaged? He was handed a roster with a lot of talent, including a few generational players. As a result, the team makes the playoffs every year and has had a few good runs, in spite of Sweeney being overall a pretty lousy GM. Honestly, there just aren't that many fans who are that much more than "casual" that will revolt against a team that's pretty good. The diehards who would do so basically all know how bad he is, but of course, they are diehards and will keep following the team. Hockey is a niche sport. It'd not going to dominate sports radio, so there isn't much chance you're going to hear people screaming and hollering over how bad he is. He has the job because the Jacobs family is hands off. All they want is the revenue that comes with playoff appearances and they have been getting those. Apart from that, they are content to let Cam Neely handle things, and he's buddies with Sweeney, so the beat goes on.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 15, 2022 13:17:21 GMT -5
Few thoughts on this:
- Tizzle is right in that the reason he has a job MIGHT be that the Jacobs' definition of success could be vastly different than the fans.
- It's a mistatement to say his success is based on the team he was handed. Had to replace his #1 goalie, 2 Top D over the years (Chara and Krug), #2 C and was still able to put together a team that went a long stretch early in 2022 where they were 1 of the best teams in hockey.
- We always say a guy should get fired but it turns out you have to replace them with someone. Is there that much GM talent in the NHL? I legit don't know the answer to that.
- Many want to talk about his incompetence and I think his tenure has been far from that. But, in most environments, even stagnation gets you ousted. But when you combine the other 3 things on this list, I can see why it didn't necessarily make sense to fire him. I'd also add that, if you truly think the roster is an absolute mess bc of cap issues, would a good candidate want to come in and deal with it? Make Sweeney clean it up or get to the point where it's a tear down and truly start fresh.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 15, 2022 13:42:21 GMT -5
Sweeney was bad drafting in 2015. Yet hasn't been that bad since, yet he's traded 17 picks since 2016 on deadline deals. Two second rounders yet to be used, then 2 first round picks, 3 second round picks, 4 4th round picks, 2 5th round picks and 1 7th rounder. That's 7 top two rounds, 10 top 3 rounds and 16 top 5 round picks since 2016 at the deadline. I'd actually like to see what he could currently do with a few drafts were they have a full stable of picks.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 15, 2022 13:48:59 GMT -5
Crazily, he still had a good draft in terms of how many viable or better NHLers he got. Just should have been more. Much more. If he takes any of the guys we talk about instead of Senyshyn, it's a different narrative. But ooof, that decision.
Just felt like he was sure he'd be able to trade up and wasn't prepared to pick where he did.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 15, 2022 16:57:55 GMT -5
- It's a mistatement to say his success is based on the team he was handed. Had to replace his #1 goalie, 2 Top D over the years (Chara and Krug), #2 C and was still able to put together a team that went a long stretch early in 2022 where they were 1 of the best teams in hockey. I said the team makes the playoffs because of the talent he was handed, and that is 100% accurate. The entirety of this team's success is based around Bergeron-Marchand-Pastrnak, and Krejci, Rask and Chara before they left. Sweeney's drafting Charlie Mac is the one great move he made in all those years to add to that core. Did he add and subtract player since then? Well, duh. He's been the GM for 7 seasons, how could he not? But the scoring behind the top line has been an issue the whole time, which he has done nothing to fix (even with Hall forcing his way into his lap). The blue line has been weak, which he hasn't fixed (though he added the second bet player of his tenure in Lindholm, which he paid a crap ton for, not exactly genius level decision making) and the PP has lacked a QB since he decided to let Krug go. BTW, it's been one year since he "had to replace" Rask and Krejci and they were a 7th seed who lost in the first round. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Jul 21, 2022 15:47:22 GMT -5
If you could sign Matthew Tkachuk to a long term deal 9-10 million for 7 years, would you trade some combination of Jake DeBrusk ($4 million AAV), Brandon Carlo ($4.1M), Matt Grzelcyk ($3.7M) and Mike Reilly ($3M) and a number one pick? If so, would the Flames also do so.
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