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5/19-5/22 Red Sox vs. Mariners Series Thread
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Post by ericmvan on May 22, 2022 16:12:43 GMT -5
Franchy had the most important play (by WPA) in yesterday's win and his triple didn't make it into MLB's highlights. (Are triples supposed to be boring or something?)
He did it again today, but I suspect he'll get some screen time now.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 22, 2022 16:15:41 GMT -5
Man. that was exciting. Nite all !1
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Post by Guidas on May 22, 2022 16:36:03 GMT -5
Great Sweep!
3.0 out of the wild card now.
Bring up some arms and Duran see who adds and then go shopping Chaim!
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Post by nomar on May 22, 2022 16:38:52 GMT -5
We need Whitlock back in the pen IMO.
It would be nice if Winck or Seabold were ready to come up. One of them probably gets a start next weekend, so fingers crossed that things go well.
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Post by incandenza on May 22, 2022 16:41:42 GMT -5
Red Sox' low point win probabilities in this series:
15%, 46%, 9%, 32%
4-0
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Post by bosoxnation on May 22, 2022 16:54:10 GMT -5
We need Whitlock back in the pen IMO. It would be nice if Winck or Seabold were ready to come up. One of them probably gets a start next weekend, so fingers crossed that things go well. 200% agree. Seabold is ready once he comes back from injury he should be in our rotation. Winck would be cool to see get a start to see what he’s got but honestly I think next year they will both be in the rotation if we’re smart enough to make Whitlock the closer.
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Post by dirtdog on May 22, 2022 17:14:43 GMT -5
Welp I prefer this to talking 23 draft so let the good times roll.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 22, 2022 17:53:37 GMT -5
The Franchy-se has been realized. At least for today. Watched the replay on this between stints in the yard. So Cordero goes from Fringy to Franchy-se... nice. It's a kid's game and he's a big kid, and a nice guy apparently.
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Post by jimed14 on May 22, 2022 18:17:51 GMT -5
Franchy just reminds me so much of Papi and I know that's unfair.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 22, 2022 19:42:57 GMT -5
That's what the doctor ordered. The Red Sox are back in civilization again.
Good win. Sox need to make hay before they have to face the AL East again, and so far so good. I'd like to see the Sox in the thick of things as I don't want to see the Sox have to trade X, etc. I'd rather they resign him and some of the others as well).
Eovaldi looked much better today. Story killed the Mariners this weekend. The Red Sox bullpen failed to pick up the save again in the 9th. Too many blown leads in the 9th. They need a legit closer. Nice to see Franchy succeed. That ball was smashed and on 0-2. It'll take a lot more ABs before I think that Franchy has truly turned the corner but he's got my attention. I'd certainly rather see him at the plate than Dalbec at this point. Of course Franchy should never have had to bat in that situation. That's because Vazquez's foot touched the plate before the catcher got the tag down on him. He was safe. Not sure why they didn't think they had the evidence to overturn that call. Would have made for a weird celebration so ultimately it was better the way it actually turned out.
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Post by keninten on May 22, 2022 20:02:22 GMT -5
Has the sky stopped falling yet?
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Post by redsox43 on May 22, 2022 20:32:24 GMT -5
That's what the doctor ordered. The Red Sox are back in civilization again. Good win. Sox need to make hay before they have to face the AL East again, and so far so good. I'd like to see the Sox in the thick of things as I don't want to see the Sox have to trade X, etc. I'd rather they resign him and some of the others as well). Eovaldi looked much better today. Story killed the Mariners this weekend. The Red Sox bullpen failed to pick up the save again in the 9th. Too many blown leads in the 9th. They need a legit closer. Nice to see Franchy succeed. That ball was smashed and on 0-2. It'll take a lot more ABs before I think that Franchy has truly turned the corner but he's got my attention. I'd certainly rather see him at the plate than Dalbec at this point. Of course Franchy should never have had to bat in that situation. That's because Vazquez's foot touched the plate before the catcher got the tag down on him. He was safe. Not sure why they didn't think they had the evidence to overturn that call. Would have made for a weird celebration so ultimately it was better the way it actually turned out. The Sox are teetering right on the edge of contending and selling now. I didn't think I would say that 3 weeks ago. 2 bad weeks in June, they could be right back in that conversation. In terms of buying, the catching situation needs fixing. Vazquez should be a backup and would be fine there. They need a Victor Martinez kind of trade back in 2009. Bullpen should be fine with Mata, Winckoski, Bello, and German coming. The season outlook is going to be interesting to see where it turns out the next 4-5 weeks. Sidenote- I'm surprised the Mariners looked this bad. They had to option Jarred Kelenic. Sign Justin Upton because of their poor hitting outfield situation. Their bullpen might be even worse than the Sox with no light at the end of the tunnel. Yikes.
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Post by patford on May 22, 2022 20:55:29 GMT -5
There's a story about Bear Bryant when he was coaching Alabama. A player scored his first TD for the team and got excited. Bryant is said to have told him, "Act like you have been there before." Cordero nailed that.
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Post by taiwansox on May 22, 2022 21:52:47 GMT -5
Let’s do the reverse of 1978 and make a comeback this season!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 22, 2022 21:53:02 GMT -5
That's what the doctor ordered. The Red Sox are back in civilization again. Good win. Sox need to make hay before they have to face the AL East again, and so far so good. I'd like to see the Sox in the thick of things as I don't want to see the Sox have to trade X, etc. I'd rather they resign him and some of the others as well). Eovaldi looked much better today. Story killed the Mariners this weekend. The Red Sox bullpen failed to pick up the save again in the 9th. Too many blown leads in the 9th. They need a legit closer. Nice to see Franchy succeed. That ball was smashed and on 0-2. It'll take a lot more ABs before I think that Franchy has truly turned the corner but he's got my attention. I'd certainly rather see him at the plate than Dalbec at this point. Of course Franchy should never have had to bat in that situation. That's because Vazquez's foot touched the plate before the catcher got the tag down on him. He was safe. Not sure why they didn't think they had the evidence to overturn that call. Would have made for a weird celebration so ultimately it was better the way it actually turned out. The Sox are teetering right on the edge of contending and selling now. I didn't think I would say that 3 weeks ago. 2 bad weeks in June, they could be right back in that conversation. In terms of buying, the catching situation needs fixing. Vazquez should be a backup and would be fine there. They need a Victor Martinez kind of trade back in 2009. Bullpen should be fine with Mata, Winckoski, Bello, and German coming. The season outlook is going to be interesting to see where it turns out the next 4-5 weeks. Sidenote- I'm surprised the Mariners looked this bad. They had to option Jarred Kelenic. Sign Justin Upton because of their poor hitting outfield situation. Their bullpen might be even worse than the Sox with no light at the end of the tunnel. Yikes. Good to see them on the periphery although if they couldn't do that against the schedule they were facing at home, then they'd be looking at dismantling the team as soon as possible, but they won the games they needed to win to at least hang around, but if they get swamped by the Yanks, Rays, and Jays, then they're right back into sellers mode come July. That will be the big tell of what they wind up having to do. The Sox have the O's and Reds soon. I think they have the White Sox who they have to play much better against and the Guardians, too, I think. They need to get near or over .500 after that and then survive the steady diet of NY, Toronto, and Tampa, and if they do, then they actually might become conservative buyers. If they don't they fall into sell mode, which forces them to reveal their true intentions with Bogaerts, and probably extends toward Eovaldi, JDM, and perhaps even Devers. As far as the pen goes, it's actually been decent in the middle to 8th innings. Strahm, Schrieber, and surprisingly Davis, have been pretty damn impressive. Robles isn't too bad if he's not "The guy". I think Diekman is kind of the same way. I guess at this point Houck is in the pen as well. At some point Taylor comes back and can help out. But it's that damn 9th inning. If they can find a reliable closer perhaps the rest of the pen falls nicely into place. I don't think any of those guys you mention are closer candidates. Maybe Mata becomes a 8th inning guy although I don't know that his control will be there. I'm most intrigued by German at this point, although I don't think anybody has him as a future closing candidate - I just want the Sox to steal another pitcher from the Yankees. I don't think there are Victor Martinez type hitting catchers out there to get, though. I'd love to see them get Melendez from KC, but there's no way that the Royals don't find a use for him, even with Perez around (who is hurt I think?) As far as the Mariners go, they're a weird franchise. Last year they totally overachieved by a ton, and then they improved their team on paper with Ray, Frazier, and Winker, and now whatever good luck they had last year is long gone. Go figure. That's the Mariners for you. They haven't been anything special since 2001. I do think at some point Kelenic figures it out and it looks like young Julio Rodriguez is already on the way to figuring it out - he's pretty damn impressive.
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Post by e on May 22, 2022 21:55:24 GMT -5
Off yesterday, off day tomorrow. The only fair reason for not throwing strahm is if he's injured. Strahm is not being overused right now So you got that straight from Cora or were you eavesdropping in the club house? No I got that from logic? He literally didn't pitch yesterday and they have an off day tomorrow... I struggle to understand the point you are trying to make here?
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Post by e on May 22, 2022 22:31:12 GMT -5
So you got that straight from Cora or were you eavesdropping in the club house? No I got that from logic? He literally didn't pitch yesterday and they have an off day tomorrow... I struggle to understand the point you are trying to make here? To add on, because I think I understand the point of your comment now: Strahm is not being overused in my opinion, and nowhere near the level of Barnes last year. Strahm has 14.1 innings over the course of the past 1.75 months, Barnes pitched 14 innings in just April(24 innings by end of May). Strahm has pitched less innings than 3 relievers in the Sox pen, and is tied with Brasier for innings(who isn't even on the team anymore). He's nowhere close to being overused. To add onto that, its not like he pitched the day before. And instead of putting Strahm in, the Sox put in Diekman(pitching in his third straight), and Robles(pitching in his second straight). Doesn't make much sense to me. Along with an off day the next day, Strahm in any part of the late innings would have been a great spot for him to pitch a high leverage inning and still be well rested.
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Post by cdj on May 22, 2022 23:05:44 GMT -5
I think when considering Strahm’s usage you must take his injury history into account. I’m sure that’s a factor
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Post by cdj on May 22, 2022 23:06:56 GMT -5
That's what the doctor ordered. The Red Sox are back in civilization again. Good win. Sox need to make hay before they have to face the AL East again, and so far so good. I'd like to see the Sox in the thick of things as I don't want to see the Sox have to trade X, etc. I'd rather they resign him and some of the others as well). Eovaldi looked much better today. Story killed the Mariners this weekend. The Red Sox bullpen failed to pick up the save again in the 9th. Too many blown leads in the 9th. They need a legit closer. Nice to see Franchy succeed. That ball was smashed and on 0-2. It'll take a lot more ABs before I think that Franchy has truly turned the corner but he's got my attention. I'd certainly rather see him at the plate than Dalbec at this point. Of course Franchy should never have had to bat in that situation. That's because Vazquez's foot touched the plate before the catcher got the tag down on him. He was safe. Not sure why they didn't think they had the evidence to overturn that call. Would have made for a weird celebration so ultimately it was better the way it actually turned out. The Sox are teetering right on the edge of contending and selling now. I didn't think I would say that 3 weeks ago. 2 bad weeks in June, they could be right back in that conversation. In terms of buying, the catching situation needs fixing. Vazquez should be a backup and would be fine there. They need a Victor Martinez kind of trade back in 2009. Bullpen should be fine with Mata, Winckoski, Bello, and German coming. The season outlook is going to be interesting to see where it turns out the next 4-5 weeks. Sidenote- I'm surprised the Mariners looked this bad. They had to option Jarred Kelenic. Sign Justin Upton because of their poor hitting outfield situation. Their bullpen might be even worse than the Sox with no light at the end of the tunnel. Yikes. Immediate outlook may be bad for them but Kirby/Gilbert/hopefully Brash/hopefully Hancock in the rotation and Rodriguez/Crawford/hopefully Kelenic are Damn good building blocks. I’m also super high on Harry Ford
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 23, 2022 0:45:58 GMT -5
Franchy had the most important play (by WPA) in yesterday's win and his triple didn't make it into MLB's highlights. (Are triples supposed to be boring or something?) He did it again today, but I suspect he'll get some screen time now.
That surprised me. It's springtime and when the rain lets up I'm out the door, weeding, trimming, tending a small pond, and more. Pulled out my phone, saw that the Sox had won it after a triple by Cordero set the table for Vazquez but... no video. That seemed like an important hit but no way to see how it happened.
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Post by redsox43 on May 23, 2022 0:58:41 GMT -5
The Sox are teetering right on the edge of contending and selling now. I didn't think I would say that 3 weeks ago. 2 bad weeks in June, they could be right back in that conversation. In terms of buying, the catching situation needs fixing. Vazquez should be a backup and would be fine there. They need a Victor Martinez kind of trade back in 2009. Bullpen should be fine with Mata, Winckoski, Bello, and German coming. The season outlook is going to be interesting to see where it turns out the next 4-5 weeks. Sidenote- I'm surprised the Mariners looked this bad. They had to option Jarred Kelenic. Sign Justin Upton because of their poor hitting outfield situation. Their bullpen might be even worse than the Sox with no light at the end of the tunnel. Yikes. Good to see them on the periphery although if they couldn't do that against the schedule they were facing at home, then they'd be looking at dismantling the team as soon as possible, but they won the games they needed to win to at least hang around, but if they get swamped by the Yanks, Rays, and Jays, then they're right back into sellers mode come July. That will be the big tell of what they wind up having to do. The Sox have the O's and Reds soon. I think they have the White Sox who they have to play much better against and the Guardians, too, I think. They need to get near or over .500 after that and then survive the steady diet of NY, Toronto, and Tampa, and if they do, then they actually might become conservative buyers. If they don't they fall into sell mode, which forces them to reveal their true intentions with Bogaerts, and probably extends toward Eovaldi, JDM, and perhaps even Devers. As far as the pen goes, it's actually been decent in the middle to 8th innings. Strahm, Schrieber, and surprisingly Davis, have been pretty damn impressive. Robles isn't too bad if he's not "The guy". I think Diekman is kind of the same way. I guess at this point Houck is in the pen as well. At some point Taylor comes back and can help out. But it's that damn 9th inning. If they can find a reliable closer perhaps the rest of the pen falls nicely into place. I don't think any of those guys you mention are closer candidates. Maybe Mata becomes a 8th inning guy although I don't know that his control will be there. I'm most intrigued by German at this point, although I don't think anybody has him as a future closing candidate - I just want the Sox to steal another pitcher from the Yankees. I don't think there are Victor Martinez type hitting catchers out there to get, though. I'd love to see them get Melendez from KC, but there's no way that the Royals don't find a use for him, even with Perez around (who is hurt I think?) As far as the Mariners go, they're a weird franchise. Last year they totally overachieved by a ton, and then they improved their team on paper with Ray, Frazier, and Winker, and now whatever good luck they had last year is long gone. Go figure. That's the Mariners for you. They haven't been anything special since 2001. I do think at some point Kelenic figures it out and it looks like young Julio Rodriguez is already on the way to figuring it out - he's pretty damn impressive. In terms of closers, Harder would be a obvious option. I don't see much else at the trade deadline. I see the Sox and Bloom rolling the dice with what they have. Closers get overpaid at trade deadlines. I don't see Bloom falling into that trap. Dombrowski would, but not Bloom.
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Post by keninten on May 23, 2022 1:50:04 GMT -5
Good to see them on the periphery although if they couldn't do that against the schedule they were facing at home, then they'd be looking at dismantling the team as soon as possible, but they won the games they needed to win to at least hang around, but if they get swamped by the Yanks, Rays, and Jays, then they're right back into sellers mode come July. That will be the big tell of what they wind up having to do. The Sox have the O's and Reds soon. I think they have the White Sox who they have to play much better against and the Guardians, too, I think. They need to get near or over .500 after that and then survive the steady diet of NY, Toronto, and Tampa, and if they do, then they actually might become conservative buyers. If they don't they fall into sell mode, which forces them to reveal their true intentions with Bogaerts, and probably extends toward Eovaldi, JDM, and perhaps even Devers. As far as the pen goes, it's actually been decent in the middle to 8th innings. Strahm, Schrieber, and surprisingly Davis, have been pretty damn impressive. Robles isn't too bad if he's not "The guy". I think Diekman is kind of the same way. I guess at this point Houck is in the pen as well. At some point Taylor comes back and can help out. But it's that damn 9th inning. If they can find a reliable closer perhaps the rest of the pen falls nicely into place. I don't think any of those guys you mention are closer candidates. Maybe Mata becomes a 8th inning guy although I don't know that his control will be there. I'm most intrigued by German at this point, although I don't think anybody has him as a future closing candidate - I just want the Sox to steal another pitcher from the Yankees. I don't think there are Victor Martinez type hitting catchers out there to get, though. I'd love to see them get Melendez from KC, but there's no way that the Royals don't find a use for him, even with Perez around (who is hurt I think?) As far as the Mariners go, they're a weird franchise. Last year they totally overachieved by a ton, and then they improved their team on paper with Ray, Frazier, and Winker, and now whatever good luck they had last year is long gone. Go figure. That's the Mariners for you. They haven't been anything special since 2001. I do think at some point Kelenic figures it out and it looks like young Julio Rodriguez is already on the way to figuring it out - he's pretty damn impressive. In terms of closers, Harder would be a obvious option. I don't see much else at the trade deadline. I see the Sox and Bloom rolling the dice with what they have. Closers get overpaid at trade deadlines. I don't see Bloom falling into that trap. Dombrowski would, but not Bloom. I still predict Chris Sale will be the closer.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 23, 2022 2:49:48 GMT -5
Franchy had the most important play (by WPA) in yesterday's win and his triple didn't make it into MLB's highlights. (Are triples supposed to be boring or something?) He did it again today, but I suspect he'll get some screen time now.
That surprised me. It's springtime and when the rain lets up I'm out the door, weeding, trimming, tending a small pond, and more. Pulled out my phone, saw that the Sox had won it after a triple by Cordero set the table for Vazquez but... no video. That seemed like an important hit but no way to see how it happened. www.mlb.com/redsox/video/drew-steckenrider-in-play-no-out-to-franchy-corderoTriple by Cordero
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Post by ericmvan on May 23, 2022 5:45:19 GMT -5
On May 8th (Mother's Day and my birthday!) the Sox were 25th in MLB in xwOBA, 26th in wOBA, and 28th in wRC+.
Since then ... they lead MLB in all three categories.
Alas, yesterday's data is in Statcast at the team level but not yet the individual, so the before-and-after comparison will have to wait until later. But coming into yesterday, Arroyo (only 7 PA) was the only guy with a lower xwOBA.
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Post by benzinger on May 23, 2022 8:11:16 GMT -5
Franchy just reminds me so much of Papi and I know that's unfair. That comp is much more fun that Wily Mo Pena. That is for sure.
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