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Post by cheers on Jun 1, 2022 21:22:08 GMT -5
Yes, it was. I miss Pedey...
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jun 1, 2022 21:28:05 GMT -5
Yes, it was. I miss Pedey... Yeah remember how he'd make those plays look routine? That was his signature play, ranging toward second throwing across his body.
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Post by art on Jun 1, 2022 22:04:16 GMT -5
I didn’t see it anywhere but Barnes is on the DL and Strahm is back Shoulder inflammation for Barnes. I predicted on another site the DL for Barnes would be this week, but my prediction was “shoulder impingement” …..lol…. right week, but wrong diagnosis….lol Maybe shoulder inflammation is a new euphemism for Steve Blass disease. This may be the delta or omicron variant of Steve Blass disease.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2022 22:24:14 GMT -5
Shoulder inflammation for Barnes. I predicted on another site the DL for Barnes would be this week, but my prediction was “shoulder impingement” …..lol…. right week, but wrong diagnosis….lol Maybe shoulder inflammation is a new euphemism for Steve Blass disease. This may be the delta or omicron variant of Steve Blass disease. I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 1, 2022 23:00:22 GMT -5
Maybe shoulder inflammation is a new euphemism for Steve Blass disease. This may be the delta or omicron variant of Steve Blass disease. I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Could have been dystonia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_dystonia
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2022 23:17:48 GMT -5
I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Could have been dystonia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_dystoniaPerhaps. At least it came after the 7th game of the World Series. I watched the 9th inning on Youtube where he calmly and quickly retired Boog Powell, Frank Robinson, and Merv Rettenmund to protect a 2-1 lead. The style of pitching was so different then than it is now. Back then it was less about velocity and more about changing locations and speeds. Some of the pitches looked a little like slow pitch softball, stuff you wouldn't see today, where guys basically just air it out .
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Post by keninten on Jun 2, 2022 0:02:42 GMT -5
Maybe shoulder inflammation is a new euphemism for Steve Blass disease. This may be the delta or omicron variant of Steve Blass disease. I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Dale Murphy couldn`t throw the ball back to the pitcher when he was catching. They moved him to 1st and he still couldn`t throw it anywhere.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jun 2, 2022 0:34:40 GMT -5
Mackey Sasser, couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher.. chuck Knoblauch couldn't play 2nd base because he couldn't handle the throw to first. I think it was Red Sox 1stbaseman Nick Esasky who hit 30 homers one year and the next he had Vertigo/Anxiety and his career was over.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jun 2, 2022 1:49:56 GMT -5
I am so happy Franchy is leading off. Finally.
He looked like he was just born to hit leadoff.
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Post by notstarboard on Jun 2, 2022 7:27:57 GMT -5
I am so happy Franchy is leading off. Finally.
He looked like he was just born to hit leadoff.
He had 4 PA. Greene struck out 7 of the first 10 batters he faced, and two of them were Cordero. Then he K'd against Cessa, who K'd JD and had Raffy ground back to the pitcher in the same inning. In all three of those ABs he worked the count, which is good to see in a leadoff man. Both ABs against Greene were 3-2 and the AB against Cessa was 2-2. His final at bat was a flat, 94 mph ball off a lefty with a .450 xBA that turned into an out. But, I see your point. He did have four whole plate appearances without a hit yesterday, his xwOBA is now down to only 87 measly points above Kiké's, and we didn't get to see him pop out on the first pitch once yesterday clearly he's not the answer, let's give Kiké another few months.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 2, 2022 9:28:27 GMT -5
We still don't know if the Sox are buyers or sellers yet. It can still go either way. What I don't want is to buy rentals if they're 3 games out of a wildcard by the end of July. I'd rather be realistic and sell off the one year guys the Sox have. Take flyers on Verdugo and Devers trade offers. The only time I want to buy in this scenario is guys with multiple years of control. Every team is looking for that, however. They’re sellers. The outfield and first base, as well as the bullpen are all train wrecks. This team is very top heavy and basically can’t win when our top guys go cold. There is no way they can win a World Series like that. We’ve never won a World Series, or even come close with a team so incredibly weak at the back end of the roster.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 2, 2022 10:05:33 GMT -5
We still don't know if the Sox are buyers or sellers yet. It can still go either way. What I don't want is to buy rentals if they're 3 games out of a wildcard by the end of July. I'd rather be realistic and sell off the one year guys the Sox have. Take flyers on Verdugo and Devers trade offers. The only time I want to buy in this scenario is guys with multiple years of control. Every team is looking for that, however. They’re sellers. The outfield and first base, as well as the bullpen are all train wrecks. This team is very top heavy and basically can’t win when our top guys go cold. There is no way they can win a World Series like that. We’ve never won a World Series, or even come close with a team so incredibly weak at the back end of the roster. They're 3.5 games back from a wildcard spot. Who knows what the answer will be a month from now when they do have to start deciding but as of this moment calling them sellers is way too soon. Also they've basically got the same roster as last year when they went to the ALCS and came dang close to winning that to make the world series. Major difference is a guy like Schwarber who if they're in the hunt still they can acquire if Bloom plays his card right.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 2, 2022 10:05:41 GMT -5
We still don't know if the Sox are buyers or sellers yet. It can still go either way. What I don't want is to buy rentals if they're 3 games out of a wildcard by the end of July. I'd rather be realistic and sell off the one year guys the Sox have. Take flyers on Verdugo and Devers trade offers. The only time I want to buy in this scenario is guys with multiple years of control. Every team is looking for that, however. They’re sellers. The outfield and first base, as well as the bullpen are all train wrecks. This team is very top heavy and basically can’t win when our top guys go cold. There is no way they can win a World Series like that. We’ve never won a World Series, or even come close with a team so incredibly weak at the back end of the roster. In 2018 they were below average at four starting positions and the guy with the sixth most PAs on the team had -0.7 WAR.
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2022 10:41:57 GMT -5
Barnes doesn’t have the yips, he just stinks. He was throwing strikes last time out, he was just getting smoked lol
I imagine his mechanics get out of whack here and there because he has to be max effort to sniff 95 these days. It flat out looks like he’s trying to throw the ball as hard as he can
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2022 12:04:09 GMT -5
I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Dale Murphy couldn`t throw the ball back to the pitcher when he was catching. They moved him to 1st and he still couldn`t throw it anywhere. You might recall that Julian Tavarez was loathe to throw to 1b, so if he fielded a comebacker he was liable to bowl the ball over to 1b. Don't knwo if that was a phobia of some sort or simply because he was coo-coo.
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Post by benzinger on Jun 2, 2022 13:06:10 GMT -5
I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Dale Murphy couldn`t throw the ball back to the pitcher when he was catching. They moved him to 1st and he still couldn`t throw it anywhere. Funny...Dale Murphy was one of my favorite players growing up and I never knew/heard about this before.
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Post by benzinger on Jun 2, 2022 13:12:50 GMT -5
Maybe shoulder inflammation is a new euphemism for Steve Blass disease. This may be the delta or omicron variant of Steve Blass disease. I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Don’t forget Dan Bard! He went from untouchable to unable to throw strikes almost overnight. Nice to see he got it back and has salvaged his career.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 2, 2022 14:15:35 GMT -5
I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Don’t forget Dan Bard! He went from untouchable to unable to throw strikes almost overnight. Nice to see he got it back and has salvaged his career. FWIW, that happened in the minors as well. That's why he moved to the bullpen.
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2022 14:57:31 GMT -5
I got injured and it led to me developing the yips. Don’t think I’ve ever experienced a more helpless feeling in my life. I had played my entire life to that point (16 years) and all of a sudden I couldn’t play catch. I only had any semblance of control if I was airing it out. Zero command.
It’s usually a combo of physical + mental from my own personal experience and from what you see with guys like Bard. He needed TOS and ultimately getting that coupled with years of seeing a sports psychologist led to him making perhaps the unlikeliest comeback since players fought in world wars
I think Barnes is simply physically done. I’ve thought that since the start of the year. This isn’t a mental issue for him. Maybe DL’ing for a couple months gives his arm a chance to breathe and with a tweak or two he can come back and be an average middle innings guy. I just don’t think he has it anymore. Good for him on getting the contract when he did, he’s given a lot to the team over the years. 405 games pitched is nothing to sneeze at. Many of those appearances high leverage. Hopefully he can come back from this but he was broken to end last season and it unfortunately carried over. That’s not a great sign.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 15:07:03 GMT -5
I got injured and it led to me developing the yips. Don’t think I’ve ever experienced a more helpless feeling in my life. I had played my entire life to that point (16 years) and all of a sudden I couldn’t play catch. I only had any semblance of control if I was airing it out. Zero command. It’s usually a combo of physical + mental from my own personal experience and from what you see with guys like Bard. He needed TOS and ultimately getting that coupled with years of seeing a sports psychologist led to him making perhaps the unlikeliest comeback since players fought in world wars I think Barnes is simply physically done. I’ve thought that since the start of the year. This isn’t a mental issue for him. Maybe DL’ing for a couple months gives his arm a chance to breathe and with a tweak or two he can come back and be an average middle innings guy. I just don’t think he has it anymore. Good for him on getting the contract when he did, he’s given a lot to the team over the years. 405 games pitched is nothing to sneeze at. Many of those appearances high leverage. Hopefully he can come back from this but he was broken to end last season and it unfortunately carried over. That’s not a great sign. I am sure we all feel bad for Barnes on a personal level, but for the sake of team I am glad they put him on the DL. He was neither helping himself or the team at this point.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 2, 2022 15:10:19 GMT -5
I got injured and it led to me developing the yips. Don’t think I’ve ever experienced a more helpless feeling in my life. I had played my entire life to that point (16 years) and all of a sudden I couldn’t play catch. I only had any semblance of control if I was airing it out. Zero command. It’s usually a combo of physical + mental from my own personal experience and from what you see with guys like Bard. He needed TOS and ultimately getting that coupled with years of seeing a sports psychologist led to him making perhaps the unlikeliest comeback since players fought in world wars I think Barnes is simply physically done. I’ve thought that since the start of the year. This isn’t a mental issue for him. Maybe DL’ing for a couple months gives his arm a chance to breathe and with a tweak or two he can come back and be an average middle innings guy. I just don’t think he has it anymore. Good for him on getting the contract when he did, he’s given a lot to the team over the years. 405 games pitched is nothing to sneeze at. Many of those appearances high leverage. Hopefully he can come back from this but he was broken to end last season and it unfortunately carried over. That’s not a great sign. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he hasn't been the same since pitching both ends of a DH in Toronto last August. His velo and results both dropped off the table after that and haven't come back.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2022 16:42:35 GMT -5
I never understood how Pirates pitcher Steve Blass could be so masterful in a complete game decisive 2-1 victory over Baltimore in Game 7 of the 1971 World Series, a situation as pressure packed as could be, yet in 1972 he couldn't throw a strike to save his life. Amazing. I'd think you'd be in a mentally great place and as relaxed as one could be come 1972 after doing what he did the year prior. I mean Rick Ankiel's yips started (I think) in a post-season game. I remember others having it. Kevin Saucier and Joe Cowley come to mind. Anyways, nice win tonight. Good in all facets of the game. Too bad we don't see this version of the Sox more often. Dale Murphy couldn`t throw the ball back to the pitcher when he was catching. They moved him to 1st and he still couldn`t throw it anywhere. Also, Chuck Knoblauch couldn't throw from 2B to 1st. Salty had the same problem throwing to the pitcher.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jun 2, 2022 18:44:40 GMT -5
Dale Murphy couldn`t throw the ball back to the pitcher when he was catching. They moved him to 1st and he still couldn`t throw it anywhere. You might recall that Julian Tavarez was loathe to throw to 1b, so if he fielded a comebacker he was liable to bowl the ball over to 1b. Don't knwo if that was a phobia of some sort or simply because he was coo-coo. Remember when it was cold out Tavarez use to lube himself up with baby oil before he took the mound...not put a patch under his jersey or on his forehead, to load up the ball, BUT his entire body from head to toe. He was a kookie dude.
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