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Post by philarhody on Jun 29, 2022 10:49:00 GMT -5
Barton and Morris would have been a boon for the backcourt and playmaking.
At this point, I’m assuming we see Boston make some real upgrades.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 11:55:18 GMT -5
Reports trickling in that the cap is higher than expected but with some ambiguity around how much. The report (initially by Jake Fischer) was that it could "raise as high as 10%, from a projected 122M).
But since an extra 12M at this stage of the game would be unheard of, people are speculating that the increase from last year could be 10% higher not that the cap would be 10% higher than the initial projection or that this year's cap would be 10% higher than last (which would mean another 1.6M on top of what was speculated - or 123.6 total).
EDIT - Tim Bontemps reporting that it's the latter, 123.6M Cap.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2022 12:27:34 GMT -5
Interesting look by Jay King playing Brad Stevens ($)Also discusses extension offers for JB and Grant. Kornet stays as vet min since many other options might be seeking more playing time than Celts can offer. Sam Hauser has believers in FO. Running it back might be okay given youth and cohesion-building, but this doesn't solve the Horford/Timelord health concerns. Gonna be tough sledding no matter what to improve on a finals contender. That's the dream, every contender in the NBA wants him at mid-level money. Just my two cents, yet Warren means more small ball and thus less minutes of Williams and Horford together. Thus lowering the need for another big. I'm assuming no way you get Warren for that little money without promising a big role. Fun to talk about, yet highly unlikely. Williams/Horford, Tatum, Warren, Brown and Smart. Outside of health, the only other worry for me are his assist numbers, they are darn poor for a player like him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2022 12:29:35 GMT -5
According to MassLive, C's turned down an offer of Burks and a sweetener into their TPE. Knicks needed to send two seconds and $6 million to unload them, yet wanted a sweetener from us lol. I'm actually slightly impressed, thought it would cost a 1st.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 12:38:31 GMT -5
According to MassLive, C's turned down an offer of Burks and a sweetener into their TPE. Knicks needed to send two seconds and $6 million to unload them, yet wanted a sweetener from us lol. I'm actually slightly impressed, thought it would cost a 1st. Had to look at what I wrote a few times. The sweetener would've come to Boston (then some not-likely-to-transfer 2nd to NYK I would imagine).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2022 12:38:37 GMT -5
What's the Denver side to that deal? Makes perfect Sense for the Wizards, I don't see the point for Denver. I would have loved Morris.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 12:39:30 GMT -5
Bamba not getting a QO from Orlando. Not sure if Brad/Ime would be interested (based on historical reports, Danny would've been) but another big added to the pool probably isn't a bad thing.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 29, 2022 12:42:32 GMT -5
What's the Denver side to that deal? Makes perfect Sense for the Wizards, I don't see the point for Denver. I would have loved Morris. Denver needs a wing that can shoot and defend competently, KCP is that. And they probably didn't want to pay Morris. Its still a weird trade IMO and negative value - Morris is the best player in the trade IMO so, its quite weird. Especially since the difference between Barton and KCP isn't large.
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Post by nomar on Jun 29, 2022 12:50:10 GMT -5
Bamba not getting a QO from Orlando. Not sure if Brad/Ime would be interested (based on historical reports, Danny would've been) but another big added to the pool probably isn't a bad thing. Bamba is one of those guys who looks decent with upside on paper, but Magic fans can’t stand. I’m interested to see where he goes. He’s still young and has a high ceiling.
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Post by cdj on Jun 29, 2022 13:18:28 GMT -5
Bamba as Timelord insurance would be nice. He was actually pretty solid to begin last season, I think he ended up spraining an ankle or something and regressing a bit after the injury tho iirc
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Post by nomar on Jun 29, 2022 13:45:20 GMT -5
Bamba/Hartenstein for C
Lonnie Walker (RFA but Spurs could let walk) or Gary Harris would be nice for another guard.
Would love Otto Porter if GSW lets him go too.
Don’t see the C’s doing anything crazy, but I trust Brad.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 13:46:47 GMT -5
Isn't Lonnie Walker just Aaron Nesmith w/o the defensive potential?
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Post by nomar on Jun 29, 2022 13:52:30 GMT -5
Isn't Lonnie Walker just Aaron Nesmith w/o the defensive potential? Nesmith is a shooter that can’t shoot. He is way less quick and fluid/shifty than Walker. There are times when Nesmith’s handle/movement look like a big man and not a guard/wing. I wouldn’t be surprised if neither make it long term, but I think Walker has a better chance to take the next step personally.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 13:54:04 GMT -5
Isn't Lonnie Walker just Aaron Nesmith w/o the defensive potential? Nesmith is a shooter that can’t shoot. He is way less quick and fluid/shifty than Walker. There are times when Nesmith’s handle/movement look like a big man and not a guard/wing. I wouldn’t be surprised if neither make it long term, but I think Walker has a better chance to take the next step personally. I'll be honest, I thought that's what Walker was too. To be fair, that's just an impression and not based on a lick of analysis.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 14:50:23 GMT -5
C's pick up option on Juwan Morgan. It's now a Non-Guaranteed deal (becomes guaranteed in January with most of the league NGs). Per Keith Smith.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2022 16:04:19 GMT -5
Lonnie Walker is a crazy athlete, from a speed, agility and jump ability he's closer to Jaylen Brown than Nesmith. He can really dribble, get into the paint and score using athletic ability. Shown improvement on offense for four straight years, just last year his 3 point shot went haywire taking harder shots. Still four good years at corner 3s though and that's a good sign.
Coming out there was talk of him being an elite perimeter defender. That hasn't happened and why that hasn't happened is something we need to know. It's not athletic ability, size or wingspan and he's on the Spurs, yet they weren’t good on D and that's a young team.
Per 36 minutes, 19 points, 4 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 1 steal, .4 blocks and 1.6 TOs
I'm certainly intrigued. He's just not a finished product. Yet his skills match our offense and there's a bunch of upside there. He's like Hornets going after Terry Rozier, I legit see that type of offensive upside if he continues to get better. Yet it's also risky.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 16:09:07 GMT -5
Aaron Holiday and Donte DiVincenzo also not getting QOs.
Also - OKC decline option on Lu Dort. RFA now (likely going to end up staying though).
Also, Also - Patty Mills a FA after not picking up option.
And James Harden opted out (not a real surprise) but indicates he plans on extending at a number that will allow Sixers to use full non-tax MLE.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 29, 2022 16:12:16 GMT -5
C's decline option on Hauser. RFA now.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 29, 2022 16:30:04 GMT -5
DMurray to Hawks for Gallo, 3 picks and a swap. Could we have gotten him at the deadline instead of Derrick White? Should we have at that price?
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Post by nomar on Jun 29, 2022 17:38:26 GMT -5
DMurray to Hawks for Gallo, 3 picks and a swap. Could we have gotten him at the deadline instead of Derrick White? Should we have at that price? Can’t shoot and it was his first year of career with a positive OBPM. Hard pass. Buying a guy who plays the league’s deepest position at his highest point of value is a disaster waiting to happen. The Celtics need efficient offense, not a ball dominant star player. KD would work because he’s just an amazing player, but Murray, Beal, etc… I don’t think they’d be the difference people think they’d be.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2022 18:17:53 GMT -5
Kings declined QO for Donte DiVincenzo. Always been a guy I liked, probably more than I should.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 29, 2022 19:42:48 GMT -5
DMurray to Hawks for Gallo, 3 picks and a swap. Could we have gotten him at the deadline instead of Derrick White? Should we have at that price? At that price, absolutely. He is the perfect fit for Boston for the same reason he is perfect for Atlanta. Both teams feature great shooters who spend too much time taking tough shots. Atlanta is betting that Murray turns Trae into an off-ball catch and shoot menace. The problem for Boston is their future firsts are clearly not as valuable as pretty much any other team’s. So you probably are giving up four picks, a real young player and a swap. And that’s a bit rich, especially considering Murray will likely be a free agent looking at a max in two seasons.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 30, 2022 7:44:36 GMT -5
Murray is a perfect fit next to Trae Young absolutely, he's not a perfect fit next to Smart. Murray, Smart and Robert Williams starting next to Tatum and Brown would be an unreal defensive team, they would also lack shooting. Which is a huge problem given Imes offense is built on getting open 3 point shots.
Do I love Murray? Absolutely, I'm just glad it cost a bunch, 3 firsts and a pick swap.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 30, 2022 8:41:37 GMT -5
Was thinking/hoping if they got Murray, they'd move both White and Smart (1 to the bench, 1 in a trade for a further improvement). That being said, closing lineups (where you want the D) would probably put us in the situation UMass describes above.
Further context on the Murray trade, btw. Sounds like Murray didn't want to sign an extension (and why would he given the limitations of what SAS could give him) and with only 2 more years on the deal, they may have been worried about him leaving (1 star with a bunch of prospects could put them uncomfortably in no-mans land) so trading him now would maximize his return.
The "news" about him not extending was from a piece on Real GM.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 30, 2022 9:48:28 GMT -5
Murray is a perfect fit next to Trae Young absolutely, he's not a perfect fit next to Smart. Murray, Smart and Robert Williams starting next to Tatum and Brown would be an unreal defensive team, they would also lack shooting. Which is a huge problem given Imes offense is built on getting open 3 point shots. Do I love Murray? Absolutely, I'm just glad it cost a bunch, 3 firsts and a pick swap. Any lineup that has Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown has plenty of shooting in it. I don’t see how any additional shooting gets uncovered if you’re asking Jayson and Jaylen to continue cooking against one-on-ones and doubles. It is insanity if Boston tries to play 4 and 5 out again with the offense running through Jayson and Jaylen. They are not gifted enough creators to make that work. It will fail when the defensive matchups toughen and the pace slows in the playoffs. We saw this kind of offense fail with a prime James Harden at the helm. We saw it fail last year with Luka at the helm. The Warriors’ best lineups have always featured two or three limited shooters (see Sean Livingston, Andre Igoudala, Andrew Bogut, Kevin Looney, Draymond Green, Gary Payton II) that are gifted at getting their two shooters the ball in advantageous matchups. (It also helps that Steph and Klay don’t stand around ball watching when it’s not their turn). The bottom line is this: Injecting penetration, playmaking and creation into an offense with two sublime shooters = good. Injecting outside shooting into an offense with stagnant ball movement and lack of creation = bad.
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