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Post by carl4sox on Jul 3, 2022 9:25:31 GMT -5
On MLB Trade Rumors last night, moderator Mark P. was asked if the Sox should trade Xander, Nate, and JD.
To my shock, he said yes to all three.
What do you-all think? If if Chaim does, what are likely to be the returns?
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Post by cdj on Jul 3, 2022 9:52:08 GMT -5
Barring a horrible losing streak I think there’s a 0% chance all 3 are traded
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Post by orcoaster on Jul 3, 2022 10:06:10 GMT -5
Whom.
None. The Sox will need all three in the playoffs.
It wasn't clear ealier in the season, but the Sox are not sellers this year. However, it's not clear yet that they are buyers either. There are plenty of internal options to fill the bullpen gaps if they can be, as Cora said the other day, patient. A big bat for first or right would be nice with Dalbec or Cordero plus prospects going back. That's possible, but I think it's more likely they see how far their own will take them.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jul 3, 2022 10:20:59 GMT -5
Trading Xander mid season is a hell of a way to get those NESN+ subscription numbers up. The only way I see them trading him is if they approach him with an extension at the ASB and he publicly tells them to kick rocks. Even then you'd need a team like the Dodgers or Cardinals to come in with pretty sweet offers because any deal would rattle the club house.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2022 10:21:43 GMT -5
On MLB Trade Rumors last night, moderator Mark P. was asked if the Sox should trade Xander, Nate, and JD. To my shock, he said yes to all three. What do you-all think? If if Chaim does, what are likely to be the returns? This was... not the scenario I thought would be brought up when I saw the title of the thread.
In any case, I think you're misreading what he meant: He's just saying they're all going to leave in free agency (which I think is probably right). The commenter didn't put "allow them to walk" as an option, and since trading them in-season would obviously be bananas for a team in playoff position Mark P just ignored (and probably didn't even process) that option.
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Post by christianarroyossock on Jul 3, 2022 10:25:40 GMT -5
I wouldn’t totally hate some combination of trades that lets us trade away JD and acquire someone like Josh bell without losing copious amounts of prospects but trading all 3 is just stupid. The only reason that I would be okay with trading JD is because I think he will be too old and expensive to reasonably re-sign. Trading away xander and Nate would just be irresponsible.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2022 10:34:27 GMT -5
I wouldn’t totally hate some combination of trades that lets us trade away JD and acquire someone like Josh bell without losing copious amounts of prospects but trading all 3 is just stupid. The only reason that I would be okay with trading JD is because I think he will be too old and expensive to reasonably re-sign. Trading away xander and Nate would just be irresponsible. Yeah, actually, it's not totally inconceivable to me that Bloom could do some shocker of a trade involving JDM, a la Garciaparra in 2004, that tries to make the team better this season. But the same reasons he might see him as expendable (DH only, power down, skating by on tons of BABIP luck) are also reasons his trade value is probably not that high. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2022 10:54:15 GMT -5
Yeah, looking at what the actual question/answer is - that's not Mark P saying the Sox will trade any of those 3. He's just saying he thinks all 3 are gone via free agency, which isn't exactly a newsflash. Bloom will work at the margins to improve the team and make one last run with X, JDM, and Eovaldi. Likely he brings in a closer candidate and maybe a 1b depending upon whether Franchy continues to improve. My guess is they get a 1b anyways, because there are a lot of 1b to go after, to improve the defense and to improve the bench because they don't really have a viable lefty off the bench. JBJ is not really pinch-hitting material (yes, I know his road/home splits, etc), so I can see Franchy being a key bat off the bench. I'm guessing Duran, Hernandez, and Verdugo comprise the outfield and no other additions will be coming for the outfield, particularly with Refsnyder looking like a legit RH OF bench/platoon option.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 3, 2022 11:56:24 GMT -5
Looking at what Nelson Cruz brought back for the twins last year. I'd be okay with dealing JDM if they can get back the equivalent of Joe Ryan. Thatd be a no brainer to me. I certainly wouldn't deal him for a couple lotto ticket prospects though. It'll be an interesting deadline I do believe.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2022 13:34:47 GMT -5
lol, if the Red Sox were without Eovaldi, JDM and Xander, they'd probably be looking to add one or more of the three as rentals. This is crazy talk. They are not making the team worse during this season for prospects.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 3, 2022 14:00:10 GMT -5
lol, if the Red Sox were without Eovaldi, JDM and Xander, they'd probably be looking to add one or more of the three as rentals. This is crazy talk. They are not making the team worse during this season for prospects. Most likely not I would imagine. Especially since it seems very unlikely that the mlb and mlbpa agrees to the international draft so they're likely going to get 3 picks for them since I'd imagine they'll qualify all 3. I suppose JDM may take the QO though which I wouldn't hate him back for a year. |
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 3, 2022 14:54:19 GMT -5
As with others over the years (Betts, for example)... make your best offer to them now, but if that doesn't get it done, then you're faced with losing them after the season for what, a draft pick if you make a qualifying offer? Boston has young talent in the minors and trading any combination of those three vets would bring in more young talent - and keep payroll in check to extend Devers or make other moves. I'd look to deal Eovaldi (aging pitcher, health concerns) first. Then JDM (DH only player), then X. Xander has been a great franchise guy for years. Everyone and everything has a price, but if it doesn't work for Boston, then move him, put Story at short, and figure it out from there. We aren't going to overtake the Yankees. All Boston needs to do is make the playoffs.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2022 14:56:39 GMT -5
As with others over the years (Betts, for example)... make your best offer to them now, but if that doesn't get it done, then you're faced with losing them after the season for what, a draft pick if you make a qualifying offer? Boston has young talent in the minors and trading any combination of those three vets would bring in more young talent - and keep payroll in check to extend Devers or make other moves. I'd look to deal Eovaldi (aging pitcher, health concerns) first. Then JDM (DH only player), then X. Xander has been a great franchise guy for years. Everyone and everything has a price, but if it doesn't work for Boston, then move him, put Story at short, and figure it out from there. We aren't going to overtake the Yankees. All Boston needs to do is make the playoffs. Why don't you care about this season? These takes are pure insanity to me. Guess what? When you trade for a rental, you lose them for nothing too. Just because they probably can't catch the Yankees doesn't mean you don't want a team that can win in the playoffs. |
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Post by bigmarty58 on Jul 17, 2022 15:51:46 GMT -5
With Sale breaking his finger today and the teams performance this season against the AL East it time to sell.
Strong:
Eovaldi
JDM
Vasquez
Wacha
Only if you are getting "lottery prospects":
Xander
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Post by costpet on Jul 17, 2022 16:55:48 GMT -5
If they trade all those guys, poor Devers will be left on an island next year, being pitched around every at bat.
Sox free agents 2022
Boggy $20
Sale $27.5
JD $19.2
Evoldi$17
Hernandez $8
Wacha $7
Hill $5
Vasquez $7
Strahn $3
Plewechi $2.2
Rafrasnyder .8
Sanchez .7
Total savings $117.4
They could easily sign both Boggy and Devers for $35 mil each and have plenty left over to sign free agents. They won't because they are more concerned about the bottom line than winning. The minor league guys we follow could be good someday, but that's a day in the future. In other words, next year could be awful.
Then I think of Mookie they couldn't afford.
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Post by costpet on Jul 17, 2022 18:21:27 GMT -5
Maybe if they bring all the Wooster guys up next year, their payroll will be under $10 mil. They would love to do that.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 17, 2022 22:18:52 GMT -5
Maybe if they bring all the Wooster guys up next year, their payroll will be under $10 mil. They would love to do that. WouldYouJustShutUpMan.gif |
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Post by carl4sox on Jul 21, 2022 12:37:14 GMT -5
Going back to the MLBTradeRumors piece, it is now apparent to me that Mark P misunderstood the question. That does happen to chat moderators, who have to handle a lot of questions.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 21, 2022 14:19:00 GMT -5
Almost four months in, this team has a winning record in one month, a very awesome June. You have holes everywhere and now Sale is injured again. Post season odds are barely above 30% now. Without some big turn around why wouldn't you consider trading all 3 if you don't plan on resigning them? If you ate money, your talking about potentially getting massive returns. A lot has changed since this conversation started, it was crazy then after a crazy June with Sale coming back. Right now I'd rather sell than try and buy everything we need.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 24, 2022 23:11:33 GMT -5
I think trading JDM at the deadline is almost a guarantee at this point, possibly even if they go on a miracle winning streak this next week against Cleveland and Milwaukee.
Trading JDM would singlehandedly allow the Sox to dip under the CBT:
Nate and Xander are locks to get and subsequently decline QOs after the season if they aren't extended or traded by then, and getting under the LT threshold would make the compensation picks when they sign elsewhere come at the end of the second round instead of the fourth round. Therefore it's hugely advantageous for the Sox to get under the CBT threshold, and trading JDM is an obvious way to do that. It doesn't leave any positional holes, he's likely not a part of the Sox' future, and his bat has cooled off quite a bit since the start of the year.
If the Sox go full fire sale they could trade Eovaldi, X (if he waived his no trade), Vazquez, etc. too, meaning they could find other ways to get under the CBT without trading JDM. There would be no point in keeping JDM in a fire sale, though, so he'd still be gone.
Plus, I don't know if JDM would be given a QO after this year. He opted into $19.3 million after last season, which was barely above the QO threshold. If you give him a QO, I think he accepts. I also don't think that would be a good value, especially given more urgent team needs. If you do give him a QO and he declines, by some miracle, what team is going to give up the prospect to sign him? You're not getting a pick regardless if you hold him at the deadline.
I think the only roads to keeping JDM would be a full buy at the deadline (very unlikely, even with a 6-1 stretch or something on the road this week), extending Nate and Xander (very unlikely imo), or a major injury to JDM. In the likely "buy and sell" or "full sell" scenarios, though, HE GOAN
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