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The Venezuelan God Of Walks: Brainer Bonaci
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 29, 2024 20:39:35 GMT -5
for violating not one, not two, but three policies, To clarify, this is not correct. He violated a single policy called the Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault, and Child Abuse Policy.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Feb 29, 2024 21:53:26 GMT -5
for violating not one, not two, but three policies, To clarify, this is not correct. He violated a single policy called the Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault, and Child Abuse Policy. My bad and I'm glad you pointed it out. But I'll stand by my larger point, which is that his conduct was deemed egregious enough to merit a harsh penalty. Given that, I can't argue with the posters who said they'd rather not have him on the RS.
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Post by bentossaurus on Mar 1, 2024 9:11:49 GMT -5
To clarify, this is not correct. He violated a single policy called the Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault, and Child Abuse Policy. My bad and I'm glad you pointed it out. But I'll stand by my larger point, which is that his conduct was deemed egregious enough to merit a harsh penalty. Given that, I can't argue with the posters who said they'd rather not have him on the RS. As a concept I agree, but in the same way a HR department is there to safeguard the company more than anything, so will the MLB act in regards to its own brand. You can be declared "not-guilty/Innocent" and still get suspended just off the optics of the situation. Trevor Bauer is a good example, even though he's a bit of a douche.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 4, 2024 2:39:21 GMT -5
My bad and I'm glad you pointed it out. But I'll stand by my larger point, which is that his conduct was deemed egregious enough to merit a harsh penalty. Given that, I can't argue with the posters who said they'd rather not have him on the RS. As a concept I agree, but in the same way a HR department is there to safeguard the company more than anything, so will the MLB act in regards to its own brand. You can be declared "not-guilty/Innocent" and still get suspended just off the optics of the situation. Trevor Bauer is a good example, even though he's a bit of a douche. Put himself in a bad place, something people with common sense try to avoid and I don't see him as a ban type to not sign with another team. Sports, like other areas way to forgiving of any crimes now for someone not to. Have mentioned this before, still will not name the former sox player, who later on had a short mlb career.. boston kicked to the curb a sox farm hand many years ago arrested for rape. While the case turned into a he said/she said thing and he never was found guilty, his career was FINISHED as even a minor leaguer. Allowing players back, with 10x more cases like this happening with guys in sprts is a lot more than bad optics, but degradation of morals themselves and those always screaming to give them a break, only because they had a little athletic talent.
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Post by adamgregory81 on Mar 4, 2024 8:55:44 GMT -5
The other side of this is that he is 21 years old, he is still a kid, his brain isn’t even fully developed yet.
We clearly don’t have enough information yet, but don’t be so quick to crucify a guy that may not have even been old enough to drink when whatever happened happened.
And not saying that age is an excuse for bad behavior, but I do think that the nature of the behavior matters - do we really want to live in a society where one bad decision by an adolescent is enough to crucify the guy? Due process matters.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 4, 2024 9:33:37 GMT -5
Look, we still have no idea what happened here. The offense is obviously not good for him to get a year. We have no idea if he'll play again. Bad situation all around.
I'm not sure what's to be said that's productive beyond that.
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Post by patford on Mar 4, 2024 10:00:55 GMT -5
The fact the Sox haven't just gone ahead and released him maybe suggests there's hope the situation isn't as bad as it sounds.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 4, 2024 10:14:10 GMT -5
The fact the Sox haven't just gone ahead and released him maybe suggests there's hope the situation isn't as bad as it sounds. He was sent home in August over this and then the Sox sent him to the AFL before MLB stepped in and suspended him after two games. The situation may have changed over time, but I guess at one point the Sox were willing to have him keep playing for them.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 4, 2024 13:29:32 GMT -5
The other side of this is that he is 21 years old, he is still a kid, his brain isn’t even fully developed yet. We clearly don’t have enough information yet, but don’t be so quick to crucify a guy that may not have even been old enough to drink when whatever happened happened. And not saying that age is an excuse for bad behavior, but I do think that the nature of the behavior matters - do we really want to live in a society where one bad decision by an adolescent is enough to crucify the guy? Due process matters. I do not know enough about this player's particular situation, nor have I given the general question much thought, but I do feel comfortable saying that a professional sport adhering to stringent conduct rules is far different than "crucify(ing) the guy." Playing MLB, or really any high-profile public position, is a privilege & not a constitutional right. As to "due process," should a person feel unfairly treated, there is no shortage of attorneys or courts of law to hear the grievance and offer recompense, if due. Sometimes it's one strike and you're out & I'm cool with that.
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Post by adamgregory81 on Mar 5, 2024 8:25:43 GMT -5
I’d be more comfortable with adhering to strict conduct policies if OW Holmes hadn’t agreed with Kennesaw Mountain Landis that the league should be exempt from antitrust law.
I’m completely fine with adhering to strict conduct policies as a theoretical matter, of course, but there is much room for abuse of that power.
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Post by hank on Mar 5, 2024 11:14:24 GMT -5
Look, we still have no idea what happened here. The offense is obviously not good for him to get a year. We have no idea if he'll play again. Bad situation all around. I'm not sure what's to be said that's productive beyond that. ^ this
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 11, 2024 18:48:26 GMT -5
Look, we still have no idea what happened here. The offense is obviously not good for him to get a year. We have no idea if he'll play again. Bad situation all around. I'm not sure what's to be said that's productive beyond that. ^ this “Red Sox pitcher Steven Wright told reporters Wednesday that he did not hit his wife during a domestic incident that led to his arrest in December, adding that MLB's ongoing investigation into the matter prevents him from speaking in detail about the case. "I never touched her," Wright said”. Feb 2018 ….so Wright had a verbal argument with his wife, never touched her, and got suspended by MLB for 15 games…..not punished or guilty in criminal or civil court, but suspended by MLB……got it
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Post by cdj on Mar 11, 2024 19:25:39 GMT -5
“Red Sox pitcher Steven Wright told reporters Wednesday that he did not hit his wife during a domestic incident that led to his arrest in December, adding that MLB's ongoing investigation into the matter prevents him from speaking in detail about the case. "I never touched her," Wright said”. Feb 2018 ….so Wright had a verbal argument with his wife, never touched her, and got suspended by MLB for 15 games…..not punished or guilty in criminal or civil court, but suspended by MLB……got it The league doesn’t want their players yelling and menacing over their wives to the point where cops are called and they get negative press coverage.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 11, 2024 20:53:50 GMT -5
“Red Sox pitcher Steven Wright told reporters Wednesday that he did not hit his wife during a domestic incident that led to his arrest in December, adding that MLB's ongoing investigation into the matter prevents him from speaking in detail about the case. "I never touched her," Wright said”. Feb 2018 ….so Wright claims he* had a verbal argument with his wife, never touched her, and got suspended by MLB for 15 games…..not punished or guilty** in criminal or civil court, but suspended by MLB***……got it * a necessary addition to the sentence; ** playing MLB is not a constitutional right; it is a privilege; *** citizens who feel their rights have been infringed unfairly have legal recourse.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 11, 2024 21:06:57 GMT -5
How many times have we ever seen the players union take a stand on these issues ? The players don't want that crap either.
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Post by gerry on Mar 11, 2024 23:26:22 GMT -5
How many ties have we ever seen the players union take a stand on these issues ? The players don't want that crap either. Bingo. Self policing is often more effective than top down. MLB players share the same normative community. Within that and most communities there are ways to acceptably say and do things and lines that are not crossed.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 11, 2024 23:45:07 GMT -5
How many ties have we ever seen the players union take a stand on these issues ? The players don't want that crap either. Bingo. Self policing is often more effective than top down. MLB players share the same normative community. Within that and most communities there are ways to acceptably say and do things and lines that are not crossed. Yes and in an overall public viewpoint, Steven Wright sullied Tim Wakefield's persona, no matter how insignificant that may be. This isn't the NFL where the public views the players as a bunch of badasses.
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Post by adamgregory81 on Mar 12, 2024 0:08:01 GMT -5
I feel like it’s dangerous to blindly accept the moral judgment of a partial arbiter. I get the point - if you’re accused of something that sounds awful, it hurts the image of the league, and has a downstream effect on revenue.
I also agree that at a certain point, people have to be held accountable for putting themself in a bad situation.
With that said, there is still a massive difference in my mind between Wright and Bonaci. Wright was in his mid-30s, Bonaci is a kid. Maybe what Bonaci did (or is alleged to do) is much (or very much) worse, and I’ll feel silly for saying this when more news breaks; but I don’t like the idea that kids are being written off, or canceled, without due process before their brains have fully developed. (I’m biased here, I was a full blown degenerate in my early 20s, and it took time, but I figured things out when given a second chance.)
Agree with Chris - it’s sad, and there’s not much more to say, but when I see an opportunity to stand up for a young person, or the rule of law generally, I’ll do it every time.
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Post by patford on Mar 12, 2024 10:11:04 GMT -5
Does the fact the Red Sox didn't immediately release Bonaci suggest or mean anything?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 12, 2024 11:34:10 GMT -5
Does the fact the Red Sox didn't immediately release Bonaci suggest or mean anything? I don't think so, that would only guarantee the worst case for the team. Yes it would be making a statement but nobody is accusing the Sox of anything here. As an example, nobody is accusing the Rays of encouraging Franco to swim in the kiddie pool.
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