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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 24, 2022 9:34:40 GMT -5
Has this front office demonstrated that it knows a good time to call up a prospect? Not once have they called up a player who stuck. Bello stuck until he got hurt. But let's not act like they've had the chance roll out a bunch blue chippers
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 24, 2022 10:00:50 GMT -5
And they never would have called up Bello when they did if weren't for the MASH unit of a pitching staff they were dealing with
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 24, 2022 10:05:52 GMT -5
Has this front office demonstrated that it knows a good time to call up a prospect? Not once have they called up a player who stuck. Is that really evidence of bad timing? It's certainly not evidence that they called up players too late... but feels more likely to me that they haven't exactly had great prospects to call up. Thank you for beating me to the punch
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 24, 2022 13:39:48 GMT -5
Has this front office demonstrated that it knows a good time to call up a prospect? Not once have they called up a player who stuck. Is that really evidence of bad timing? It's certainly not evidence that they called up players too late... but feels more likely to me that they haven't exactly had great prospects to call up. Under Bloom the red sox have called up -- Darwinzon Hernandez --Eduardo Bastardo --Jaren Duran -- Kutter Crawford --Connor Seabold --Jeter Downs --Josh Winckowski --Connor Wong --Bryan Bello Be it too late or too early, the Red Sox, Unfournatly, have a recent history of players not exactly flourishing once they reach the big league level. Every one of these players identified above was sent back down after making their big league debuts. Only Kutter Crawford appears to be working out despite the organization only calling him up when we were in dire straights in the rotation. He'd probably still be in AAA otherwise. Obviously, people will say that these guys aren't top prospects, but neither are guys like Graham Ashcraft or Lars Nootbaar, who have stuck at the big league level either the first or second time they got the call. Casas might not be 100% ready this year, but he will have a much better time of it next season if he gets his feet wet when Red Sox fans have checked out of the season.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 24, 2022 13:58:14 GMT -5
Is that really evidence of bad timing? It's certainly not evidence that they called up players too late... but feels more likely to me that they haven't exactly had great prospects to call up. Under Bloom the red sox have called up -- Darwinzon Hernandez --Eduardo Bastardo --Jaren Duran -- Kutter Crawford --Connor Seabold --Jeter Downs --Josh Winckowski --Connor Wong --Bryan Bello Be it too late or too early, the Red Sox, Unfournatly, have a recent history of players not exactly flourishing once they reach the big league level. Every one of these players identified above was sent back down after making their big league debuts. Only Kutter Crawford appears to be working out despite the organization only calling him up when we were in dire straights in the rotation. He'd probably still be in AAA otherwise. Obviously, people will say that these guys aren't top prospects, but neither are guys like Graham Ashcraft or Lars Nootbaar, who have stuck at the big league level either the first or second time they got the call. Casas might not be 100% ready this year, but he will have a much better time of it next season if he gets his feet wet when Red Sox fans have checked out of the season. I just find it a massive reach to say that the problem with the guys they've called up has been the timing of when they were called up. I mean which one of them do you think would have performed better in the majors if they called him up earlier?
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 24, 2022 20:05:55 GMT -5
Under Bloom the red sox have called up -- Darwinzon Hernandez --Eduardo Bastardo --Jaren Duran -- Kutter Crawford --Connor Seabold --Jeter Downs --Josh Winckowski --Connor Wong --Bryan Bello Be it too late or too early, the Red Sox, Unfournatly, have a recent history of players not exactly flourishing once they reach the big league level. Every one of these players identified above was sent back down after making their big league debuts. Only Kutter Crawford appears to be working out despite the organization only calling him up when we were in dire straights in the rotation. He'd probably still be in AAA otherwise. Obviously, people will say that these guys aren't top prospects, but neither are guys like Graham Ashcraft or Lars Nootbaar, who have stuck at the big league level either the first or second time they got the call. Casas might not be 100% ready this year, but he will have a much better time of it next season if he gets his feet wet when Red Sox fans have checked out of the season. I just find it a massive reach to say that the problem with the guys they've called up has been the timing of when they were called up. I mean which one of them do you think would have performed better in the majors if they called him up earlier? Josh Winckowski should have been called up mid May when his confidence was highest. Instead, we kept him down there for another month where he proceeded to give up 5 runs in back to back starts before one good start got him to the majors. Connor Seabold is another example. He tears it up then goes 1 inning and gives up a run putting 5 on base before he gets called up for first major league start. Before that he had given up 1 run over his last 22 innings. I know there were injuries that forced these guys into action, but if they had gotten a major league start or two against a beatable opponent when they were on a solid streak and feeling good about themselves, maybe they turn out differently when they are thrown out there every 5 days because the pitching rotation is depleted. Instead, we turn them into sacrificial lambs and 4A arms. Casas will probably get called up in September after he cools down and he'll end up batting .240 for the Sox in 10 games. I will then only continue to wonder what would have happened if he got called up this week when he was tearing the cover off the ball.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 24, 2022 21:11:55 GMT -5
I just find it a massive reach to say that the problem with the guys they've called up has been the timing of when they were called up. I mean which one of them do you think would have performed better in the majors if they called him up earlier? Josh Winckowski should have been called up mid May when his confidence was highest. Instead, we kept him down there for another month where he proceeded to give up 5 runs in back to back starts before one good start got him to the majors. Connor Seabold is another example. He tears it up then goes 1 inning and gives up a run putting 5 on base before he gets called up for first major league start. Before that he had given up 1 run over his last 22 innings. I know there were injuries that forced these guys into action, but if they had gotten a major league start or two against a beatable opponent when they were on a solid streak and feeling good about themselves, maybe they turn out differently when they are thrown out there every 5 days because the pitching rotation is depleted. Instead, we turn them into sacrificial lambs and 4A arms. Casas will probably get called up in September after he cools down and he'll end up batting .240 for the Sox in 10 games. I will then only continue to wonder what would have happened if he got called up this week when he was tearing the cover off the ball. So your claim is prospects on a hot streak cool off if left where they're at but if you call them up to a higher level of competition they won't cool off? Because ... timing?
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 24, 2022 21:26:30 GMT -5
Josh Winckowski should have been called up mid May when his confidence was highest. Instead, we kept him down there for another month where he proceeded to give up 5 runs in back to back starts before one good start got him to the majors. Connor Seabold is another example. He tears it up then goes 1 inning and gives up a run putting 5 on base before he gets called up for first major league start. Before that he had given up 1 run over his last 22 innings. I know there were injuries that forced these guys into action, but if they had gotten a major league start or two against a beatable opponent when they were on a solid streak and feeling good about themselves, maybe they turn out differently when they are thrown out there every 5 days because the pitching rotation is depleted. Instead, we turn them into sacrificial lambs and 4A arms. Casas will probably get called up in September after he cools down and he'll end up batting .240 for the Sox in 10 games. I will then only continue to wonder what would have happened if he got called up this week when he was tearing the cover off the ball. So your claim is prospects on a hot streak cool off if left where they're at but if you call them up to a higher level of competition they won't cool off? Because ... timing? My claim is that a player has a better chance of sticking at the major league level long term if they come up when they are on a hot streak and the team places them in a position to succeed.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 24, 2022 21:34:32 GMT -5
Another day of raking.
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Post by ozebaseball on Aug 24, 2022 21:45:32 GMT -5
The box score has it revised to an error and not a hit. He separately singled earlier in the game though - so his final line was 1-5 with 0 RBI.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 24, 2022 21:54:33 GMT -5
The box score has it revised to an error and not a hit. He separately singled earlier in the game though - so his final line was 1-5 with 0 RBI. Chaim probably called the AAA scorer. Will need to see a video.
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Post by soxfaninsyracuse on Aug 25, 2022 11:03:28 GMT -5
The box score has it revised to an error and not a hit. He separately singled earlier in the game though - so his final line was 1-5 with 0 RBI. Chaim probably called the AAA scorer. Will need to see a video. The scoreboard posted error right away. It looked like it might get through off the bat, but the second baseman made a nice play fielding the ball. The throw wasn't so nice. Overall I thought Casas looked fine, which considering the number of at bats against lefties was a good thing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 25, 2022 11:30:26 GMT -5
Chaim probably called the AAA scorer. Will need to see a video. The scoreboard posted error right away. It looked like it might get through off the bat, but the second baseman made a nice play fielding the ball. The throw wasn't so nice. Overall I thought Casas looked fine, which considering the number of at bats against lefties was a good thing. The Mets have 7 LHP on their roster. Noticing this the other day, it kind of made a bit more sense why they might want Casas to be in the lineup for Worcester this week.
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