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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 14, 2022 17:28:36 GMT -5
There is literally no sane person on the planet that would want Rich Hill and Richards in a starting rotation over Eovaldi. Hill has been fine overall but can't go deep into games. I think hes gone 6+ twice. His value is as a swingman. Richards was hit like a pinata in the rotation until he kind of did okay in the bullpen but still finished with an ERA of almost 5. Wacha was spot on and he made a great signing with him. Perez was another guy who was in theory okay, had stretches but eventually he got sent to the pen as well. I don't know I guess I like having starters that can go 6+ innings. When I look at Hill and Richards I look at 2 arms that could easily be replaced and for the price you'd be better off using your depth with gus like German, Bello, Winckowski, Seabold etc...and using your money in other areas. Eovaldi is a guy that if he accepts a QO you aren't really getting angry about it. If he's healthy you know what he can do. Signing him long term though would be a bad move. IMO, I want someone who makes more than 18 starts the entire year for my money. Lol, $19,000,000 for 18 starts would not be my choice (5-3 with 4.15 ERA and 21 HRs, no). I would take Wacha on a QO even if he missed starts as his results were better, and I feel he will be better than Eovaldi in 2023 along with being younger. Sure. Thats also why giving Wacha an offer is a no brainer. Bloom did really well with that. I wouldn't sign either long term but 1 year QO isn't the worst thing in the world.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 14, 2022 19:55:47 GMT -5
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Post by tjb21 on Nov 10, 2022 17:29:18 GMT -5
Great thread so far, well done! QO Wacha, Eovaldi and Xander. 1 year (potential) deals with Wacha and Eovaldi are fine. They'll likely go over the tax next year, my guess at least. In retrospect, QO'ing Wacha seems silly to me now. Glad they gave it to Eovaldi. Still think they go over the tax in 2023.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 10, 2022 17:34:28 GMT -5
I would have QO Wacha. As someone in here said a 1 year deal for him is not bad at all.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 10, 2022 17:38:46 GMT -5
I would have QO Wacha. As someone in here said a 1 year deal for him is not bad at all. Well, if you think Bloom is only going to spend $30 million more this offseason, it'd be tough to blow 2/3rds of that on Wacha. And of course if you add in Eovaldi he'd already be over budget...
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 10, 2022 17:52:53 GMT -5
I would have QO Wacha. As someone in here said a 1 year deal for him is not bad at all. Well, if you think Bloom is only going to spend $30 million more this offseason, it'd be tough to blow 2/3rds of that on Wacha. And of course if you add in Eovaldi he'd already be over budget... Right. Lets keep on track here. I'm saying what I would have done. Not what I think Bloom is going to do. There's a difference. If it was up to me I'd sign Xander and Devers yesterday and make a godfather offer to DeGrom and yes QO Wacha.
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Post by xdmo on Nov 10, 2022 19:07:11 GMT -5
The Sox asking for the moon on Eovaldi might be the best answer to "if the Sox will give him the QO." I'm pretty positive the answer is yes to that one, or why do you value him that high at the trade deadline? Page one in thread.
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Post by soxaddict on Nov 10, 2022 19:28:47 GMT -5
Which Draft Picks Each Team Would Forfeit By Signing A Qualified Free AgentCompetitive Balance Tax Payors: Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Padres If any of these six teams signs a qualified free agent from another team, it must forfeit its second-highest and fifth-highest pick in the 2023 draft. The team will also have its international signing bonus pool reduced by $1MM. Pretty safe to say the Sox won't be signing any of these players if this is the penalty. At least two potential Bogaerts suiters (Dodgers, Phillies) are in this group. Aaron Judge (Yankees) Trea Turner (Dodgers) Jacob deGrom (Mets) Dansby Swanson (Braves) Carlos Rodón (Giants) Brandon Nimmo (Mets) Willson Contreras (Cubs) Chris Bassitt (Mets) Anthony Rizzo (Yankees) Tyler Anderson (Dodgers) Martín Pérez (Rangers) Joc Pederson (Giants)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 10, 2022 19:31:10 GMT -5
I'm actually fine with the QO to Eovaldi.
Bloom is not going to go after Verlander, DeGrom, and Rodon.
He's fishing in the next tier. Eovaldi is as good as any of them and he truly wants to be a Red Sox, which you can't say about all the other starters in which there will be stiff competition.
Eovaldi has been a good pitcher and was their best pitcher in 2021, a postseason year, and he has pitched well in the postseason.
The only caveat I have is about his diminished velocity. The Red Sox know his health status better than anybody else or they SHOULD. If they're wrong that doesnt reflect well on their medical staff. But they must think he will be fully healthy and recover his velocity. This is a guy with a sub 4 ERA and a great K/BB ratio. He's a useful pitcher.
I'm fine with Wacha not being given the QO. He outperformed his peripherals and I suspect he wont be anywhere near as good next year, but then again I was wrong about him in 2022 so....
The Sox are looking for the next Wacha. Guess they're looking and Tyler Anderson among others.
I think the Pederson talk should be null and void. I'd rather see the Sox bring back JDM at a greatly reduced rate than gamble on Pederson being as good again in 2023 and giving up a draft pick to find out.
For those wanting Swanson should X leave, he now costs a draft pick as well. Correa is the only big SS without a QO attached so he'll get slot of action for his services. The others will, too, but Correa has to be seem by most as the #1 SS to get.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 10, 2022 19:32:36 GMT -5
The Sox asking for the moon on Eovaldi might be the best answer to "if the Sox will give him the QO." I'm pretty positive the answer is yes to that one, or why do you value him that high at the trade deadline? Page one in thread. I guess if he wanted to extend Jon Lester in 2015, Bloom wouldnt have traded him to Oakland in 2014. Lol
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Post by xdmo on Nov 10, 2022 19:35:12 GMT -5
On a separate note, glad Martin Perez got a QO. He's a guy who always chatted on social media and was a solid overall dude.
This QO is life changing money to a guy like him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 10, 2022 19:37:18 GMT -5
On a separate note, glad Martin Perez got a QO. He's a guy who always chatted on social media and was a solid overall dude. This QO is life changing money to a guy like him. Wish he would have pitched for the Sox in 2021 the way he did in 2022.
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Post by xdmo on Nov 10, 2022 19:38:00 GMT -5
I guess if he wanted to extend Jon Lester in 2015, Bloom wouldnt have traded him to Oakland in 2014. Lol Yeah I think you're right. If Bloom was GMing back then, Lester has a better chance at staying for that reason alone. He wouldn't have risked trading him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2022 8:39:07 GMT -5
Which Draft Picks Each Team Would Forfeit By Signing A Qualified Free AgentCompetitive Balance Tax Payors: Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Padres If any of these six teams signs a qualified free agent from another team, it must forfeit its second-highest and fifth-highest pick in the 2023 draft. The team will also have its international signing bonus pool reduced by $1MM. Pretty safe to say the Sox won't be signing any of these players if this is the penalty. At least two potential Bogaerts suiters (Dodgers, Phillies) are in this group. Aaron Judge (Yankees) Trea Turner (Dodgers) Jacob deGrom (Mets) Dansby Swanson (Braves) Carlos Rodón (Giants) Brandon Nimmo (Mets) Willson Contreras (Cubs) Chris Bassitt (Mets) Anthony Rizzo (Yankees) Tyler Anderson (Dodgers) Martín Pérez (Rangers) Joc Pederson (Giants) We spaced on this in the podcast that dropped last night but this is yet another reason why Correa is the best option if Bogaerts leaves.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Nov 11, 2022 9:53:26 GMT -5
Pretty surprised that Joc Pederson got a QO, but I guess it's because the OF market is so thin. I really wanted the Sox to sign him. Bummer. He would have made a great platoon with Bobby D.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 11, 2022 10:22:05 GMT -5
Pretty surprised that Joc Pederson got a QO, but I guess it's because the OF market is so thin. I really wanted the Sox to sign him. Bummer. He would have made a great platoon with Bobby D. Let's not go throwing around the word "great" there
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Post by TearsIn04 on Nov 11, 2022 15:56:45 GMT -5
Pretty surprised that Joc Pederson got a QO, but I guess it's because the OF market is so thin. I really wanted the Sox to sign him. Bummer. He would have made a great platoon with Bobby D. Pederson was the most disappointing name on the QO list for me. I thought he'd make a nice LHH add for DH and LF. I wonder now whether CB will spring for Jose Abreau. That wouldn't leave much money for another lineup piece, assuming they sign X or Correa; sign a top RP (Chafin, please); get Eo on a 3/$45M type deal; and have interest in Senga.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2022 15:53:34 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 15, 2022 15:56:53 GMT -5
Must have something else out there. Wish Nasty Nate all the best. Thanks for the memories
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2022 15:57:02 GMT -5
Can't say I'm too surprised that Eovaldi declined the QO. Seems like he's a pretty sure thing to get something like 3 years 45+ Mil which at his age and injury history would seem a better move for him.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2022 15:59:06 GMT -5
Bummer
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Post by incandenza on Nov 15, 2022 16:01:28 GMT -5
Huh. Well, I guess offering the QO was the right call. I thought there was a pretty good argument for him to take it - he could get a nice little raise for this year, aim for a bounce back year, then try to score a contract next year without the burden of the QO. But I don't hate that it turned out this way.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2022 16:14:13 GMT -5
So the full list of QOs:
Free Agent: Aaron Judge (Yankees) Trea Turner (Dodgers) Xander Bogaerts (Red Sox) Jacob deGrom (Mets) Dansby Swanson (Braves) Carlos Rodón (Giants) Brandon Nimmo (Mets) Willson Contreras (Cubs) Chris Bassitt (Mets) Nathan Eovaldi (Red Sox)
Signed (draft impact): Tyler Anderson (Dodgers) (signed by Angels)
Signed (no draft impact): Anthony Rizzo (Yankees) (re-signed with the Yankees) Martín Pérez (Rangers) (accepted QO) Joc Pederson (Giants) (accepted QO)
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 15, 2022 16:21:29 GMT -5
Can't say I'm too surprised that Eovaldi declined the QO. Seems like he's a pretty sure thing to get something like 3 years 45+ Mil which at his age and injury history would seem a better move for him. If Tyler Anderson got 3/39 then Nate is definitely getting at least 3/45. I can't see Bloom matching that.
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Post by xdmo on Nov 15, 2022 16:21:34 GMT -5
So the Sox kept Eovaldi and will get a draft pick, but they'll get a lesser pick because they were over the luxury tax threshold. Versus trading him for some value, maybe more value than this pick.
Maybe the Sox were just hoping he'd take the QO.
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