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2023 International Signing Period
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Post by azblue on Jan 19, 2023 10:32:37 GMT -5
Baseball America updated list this morning:
Yoeilin Cespedes, SS, Dominican Republic Argeny Sanchez, RHP, Dominican Republic Nixson Cueche, SS, Venezuela Luis Arredondo, SS, Venezuela Yoiber Ruiz, SS, Venezuela Gerardo Rodriguez, C, Venezuela Wuilliams Rodriguez, RHP, Venezuela Andruw Musett, C, Venezuela Raimundo De Los Santos, SS, Dominican Republic Nathanael German, SS, Dominican Republic Franklin Arias, SS, Venezuela Starlyn Nuñez, SS, Dominican Republic Jesus Garcia, RHP, Venezuela Kleyver Salazar, C, Venezuela Chad Delancey, SS, Bahamas Liosward Marin, C, Venezuela Ricardo Rodriguez, RHP, Venezuela Jhoan Solarte, OF, Venezuela Albert Chalas, OF, Dominican Republic Marcos Almanzar, RHP, Dominican Republic Geiser Figueroa, RHP, Dominican Republic Moises Semerite, SS, Dominican Republic Alex Castillo, OF, Venezuela
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 19, 2023 10:44:35 GMT -5
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Post by curtisw on Jan 19, 2023 11:08:15 GMT -5
One of my very favorite times of the baseball year, thank you as always for the absolutely exceptional coverage. I cannot imagine many other fan bases have sites like this where they are way ahead of Badler and the National guys. We are so lucky.
I trust the Red Sox international development side a lot. It feels like it’s starting to get back in real shape too after a bit of a lull. I love going down the list and wondering which guys are gonna pop out of nowhere like Bello, Perales, Rafaela etc. always an exciting time, and so much fun to dream on which as we all know here, is such a huge part of loving this game the way we do.
Looking forward to seeing how this 2023 class shapes up, it looks interesting to me. Definitely a little unorthodox maybe but I have faith. Arias sounds like a potential steal as well. Anyway. Thank you again, it is awesome to have that list up for me to peruse at work and daydream on lol.
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Post by azblue on Jan 19, 2023 21:21:46 GMT -5
Thank you! I have been so busy at my office that I had not carefully reviewed SoxProspects to identify all reports on the staff's hard work.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 20, 2023 13:27:20 GMT -5
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Post by chr31ter on Jan 20, 2023 13:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 20, 2023 13:31:14 GMT -5
So, anyone want to guess what happened? Interesting that he signed for about what he was expecting to get from the Sox. Maybe we made a borderline decision to back out after a physical?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 20, 2023 13:34:01 GMT -5
That's a shame! I really liked his swing.
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Post by trhubbs on Jan 20, 2023 13:42:36 GMT -5
I’d imagine there are very few injuries you would be concerned would impact a 16-year-old position player long term. They are likely AT LEAST 5 years from the majors and plenty of time to recover. But if it was that grave then it’s surprising KC would look the other way. 🤷♂️
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 20, 2023 13:45:51 GMT -5
So now we have $1.2 mill and nowhere to spend it well. I guess we can trade it or hope a Cuban defector comes along.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 20, 2023 13:50:13 GMT -5
So now we have $1.2 mill and nowhere to spend it well. I guess we can trade it or hope a Cuban defector comes along. We may have already spent it, we'll see.
There's 20 signed guys with no bonus numbers reported yet, and about $2 million in space. Jesus Garcia sounds like he probably got a decent number.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jan 20, 2023 13:53:07 GMT -5
I’d imagine there are very few injuries you would be concerned would impact a 16-year-old position player long term. They are likely AT LEAST 5 years from the majors and plenty of time to recover. But if it was that grave then it’s surprising KC would look the other way. 🤷♂️ Disagree. An injury that could be chronic or recurrent takes away developmental time. For example, would Eduardo Lopez have developed more if he hadn't spent the past 2 seasons rehabbing frequently? Anyways this is all speculation. The entire IFA negotiation process is sketchy to say the least and a breakdown could have many reasons.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Jan 20, 2023 13:53:38 GMT -5
Perhaps we could use some of that money to sign that catcher from Uganda that was blocking tires and throwing bricks
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 20, 2023 13:56:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I imagine this probably is less of the Red Sox pulling out of a verbal agreement because of an injury issue and more of them not having enough money. I'll be very curious to see how much money they have left, I doubt they have $1.2m. We'll probably never know the full story though, so it's probably not worth getting too worked up about it.
It is interesting though because he'd been practicing with the Red Sox at their DR facility for at least a year. I always just assumed they had these things basically locked up at that point. For example, there's already at least 4-5 players that appear locked up for next year.
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Post by nomar on Jan 20, 2023 14:01:57 GMT -5
Losing out in Ruiz is a major buzzkill. But it’ll come down to scouting like it always does.
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Post by ramireja on Jan 20, 2023 14:09:39 GMT -5
So now we have $1.2 mill and nowhere to spend it well. I guess we can trade it or hope a Cuban defector comes along. We may have already spent it, we'll see. There's 20 signed guys with no bonus numbers reported yet, and about $2 million in space. Jesus Garcia sounds like he probably got a decent number.
I agree with this. I wouldn't assume we have $1.2M laying around....I think its more likely that most of the remaining pool is allocated already. This is a bummer though. I'd been following the guy on social media a bit and his power really stands out for his age...I was looking forward to following him.
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 20, 2023 14:28:53 GMT -5
We may have already spent it, we'll see. There's 20 signed guys with no bonus numbers reported yet, and about $2 million in space. Jesus Garcia sounds like he probably got a decent number.
I agree with this. I wouldn't assume we have $1.2M laying around....I think its more likely that most of the remaining pool is allocated already. This is a bummer though. I'd been following the guy on social media a bit and his power really stands out for his age...I was looking forward to following him. I wasn't suggesting that they would just leave the $1.2 unspent. I don't doubt they'll find some things to spend it on. The issue is whether they are forced to spend it elsewhere because plan A walked, or if they chose to spend it causing Plan A to walk. I'd apply the general principle that you lock up the top guys, and allocate what's left, not that they sign a lot of the smaller guys and then see what's left for the top guy. Ultimately these kids are lottery tickets, even at the $1 plus range. The 1 mil plus guys like De Leon, Chacon, Lopez, Diaz and A.Flores (and the PTBNL Valdez Mets $1 mil signing) already seem to have "failed" in the short time since they signed (2018-2021). But hitting just one, like Bleis, makes that worth it, so losing one of the two tickets this year is not great (and it occurring unexpectedly makes it even more curious).
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Post by trhubbs on Jan 20, 2023 15:11:58 GMT -5
I’d imagine there are very few injuries you would be concerned would impact a 16-year-old position player long term. They are likely AT LEAST 5 years from the majors and plenty of time to recover. But if it was that grave then it’s surprising KC would look the other way. 🤷♂️ Disagree. An injury that could be chronic or recurrent takes away developmental time. For example, would Eduardo Lopez have developed more if he hadn't spent the past 2 seasons rehabbing frequently? Anyways this is all speculation. The entire IFA negotiation process is sketchy to say the least and a breakdown could have many reasons. I agree. My implication was that there could be all kinds of additional reasons other than injuries. It would be irresponsible to speculate, though, especially about a 16-year-old. But things can happen between when they agree at age 14 to signing day at age 16.
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Post by seamus on Jan 20, 2023 17:19:26 GMT -5
I'm just glad the kid got the money, even if it wasn't from the Sox. All in all, it's a much happier story than if he just happened to have some sort of health concern that caused him to miss out on a life-changing payday.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jan 21, 2023 10:05:52 GMT -5
Why do you people continue to waste energy talking about the players we didn’t get and not talk about all the players we just signed? It’s such a negative mindset. We signed over 20 guys yet most of this thread is crying about a 16 year old we didn’t get.
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Post by kwodes on Jan 21, 2023 10:34:46 GMT -5
Anywhere to see scouting reports on the whole class?
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 21, 2023 10:42:24 GMT -5
It seems very odd to me that the Red Sox would have an agreement in place for two-years and then just spend the required money somewhere else. Not saying that isn't what happened but if true that is very unethical and will likely lead to increased difficulty in the future.
If infact, both sides learned something about each other over those two years and decided to part ways then thats fine. Then glad Ruiz got his money and the Sox found recruits they like better.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 21, 2023 11:15:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I imagine this probably is less of the Red Sox pulling out of a verbal agreement because of an injury issue and more of them not having enough money. I'll be very curious to see how much money they have left, I doubt they have $1.2m. We'll probably never know the full story though, so it's probably not worth getting too worked up about it. It is interesting though because he'd been practicing with the Red Sox at their DR facility for at least a year. I always just assumed they had these things basically locked up at that point. For example, there's already at least 4-5 players that appear locked up for next year. But why they just suddenly not have enough money? These deals are essentially agreed upon a year or more in advance. I cannot imagine their basic accounting is that bad. And as you said, he'd been practicing with them. Agree that we likely won't ever know the whole story, but I think it is very curious. But just not having enough money doesn't sound right to me - unless they made a conscious choice to spend more on $300k - $500k players instead. But why? And what are the implications? Wouldn't that mean they backed out on this deal because they changed their mind on how to allocate the money?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 21, 2023 11:43:29 GMT -5
Might be that Ruiz got cut a long time ago after Trevor Story's signing reduced the bonus pool but then he kept training at the facility. Not sure how a team is supposed to handle that situation.
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 21, 2023 11:52:45 GMT -5
Why do you people continue to waste energy talking about the players we didn’t get and not talk about all the players we just signed? It’s such a negative mindset. We signed over 20 guys yet most of this thread is crying about a 16 year old we didn’t get. Because there is no scenario where this is positive for the Sox. At best they discovered a serious flaw in Ruiz and moved on. If they had sufficient lead time and chose to reallocate his money a while ago on better prospects, that might be a positive , but have interesting longer term consequences for breaking verbal deals. If it’s a last minute issue (which it seemed to be) they have to pivot to reallocate a significant amount of money last minute on a limited supply of good kids. On the assumption that most good $100k and up kids are committed, then we are on the wrong side of good odds. That’s why we’re trying to guess how this a-typical situation arose rather than posting positive stuff about kids we have never heard about.
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