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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 21, 2022 15:41:54 GMT -5
Oh you mean the offensive line that he’s responsible for because he’s their coach? Your evidence that he’s not a bad coach is the performance of the group that he coaches I would kill to go back to 3rd and 6 Brandon Bolden draws under Josh. I ADMIT- I was silly last year. It could have been MUCH worse given what I’ve seen this year. Foolish me for thinking Bill would hire somebody that knows what they’re doing. Josh at least works with QB’s and knows how to develop them And lol yeah they looked great against the 2 worst defenses in football, congrats for hanging 29 on the lion lol. What an offensive juggernaut Matt Patricia is terrible at his job and you’ve got to be the only one in the world who thinks anything other than that. He’s taking attacks from everybody- fans, players, analysts. It’s because it’s obvious. You’re fine with cronyism and nepotism even when it produces crap results. Most people are not Btw the raiders offense is a hell of a lot better than the pats! Hilarious that you’re criticizing Josh but not Matt. Downright insane really. There is not a single thing they do worse than us. They run the ball better. They throw the ball better. They score more points. Their issue isn’t offense. It’s defense. Which is it he's OL coach or OC? Oh wait he's not the OC then? Did he resign Trent Brown and draft a rookie OG in the first from a small school? You really believe he decided to move Wynn before he even watched him play? Failure of the GM. Browns are 20th rated D, better than Raiders. Yet it's not even about points, it's how Zappe progressed within the offense from preseason and during those games. The way he commands the offense. If you don't think Zappe as a 4th round pick looked impressive that's a you problem. It's not always about results in my book. MP has been attacked since before any football was even played. I'm not even saying he’s good or great or anything like that. I'm just pushing back on the fact no one is talking about the other issues and he gets 100% of the blame. The Raiders have a veteran QB, top 5 WR, top RB and a darn good group of other weapons, Carr has a sack percentage almost half of what Mac Jones does. That should be one of the best offenses in football. Yeah I'll criticize it, first because everyone thinks Josh McDaniels is now a God. Second because that's what it looks like when it's not talent, just stupid mistakes after stupid mistakes. So what about Mac Jones to end last year? What about the first Bills game, they could literally win games without him passing and didn't even trust him to pass. You overlook Zappe because of the D, yet Mac Jones looking good last year was basically just that. Taking advantage of crappy teams. QBs take time, Mac Jones limited experience in College is showing and frankly it's almost like he needed this. I actually think this is good for him. It's either exposed his weaknesses or exposed he's not as good as we thought. That depends on what he does going forward. Yet the signs were there to end last year when they started taking the training wheels off. MP threw the kitchen sink at him and Mac Jones has struggled. Yet no way I wanted to keep babying him either. Before you told me that MP is not the OL coach and that insiders would agree. Ironically, that very night I heard Felger and Mazz talking about this very thing and how they said at the time giving MP both roles was ridiculous and it's showing just how true that is. Now, they'll sensationalize anything and make a mountain out of a mole hill and all that, but do we actually know for certain he's the OL coach in title only? Do we have any insiders who would say, "MP is not doing ANYTHING with the OL?" I tried Googling it for less than a minute, got bored and moved on. I'm not sure if the OL is really that awful either: www.patspulpit.com/2022/12/16/23509162/patriots-re-enter-pro-football-focus-top-5-offensive-line-rankings |
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Post by cdj on Dec 21, 2022 16:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 21, 2022 16:18:22 GMT -5
I read that Mayo is def leaving because 2 years in a row Bb didn’t name a defensive coordinator. This is all because of his sons. I wonder what Kraft is gonna do. If you think about it ever since Bb had to have his sons coach everything is going downhill with the coaches. No D coordinator. No O coordinator title. What a mess. All in the lap of Bb. What does Kraft do? Bert Breer Bill has not named coordinators jobs going on forever. His son is DC and I have zero issues with that. It's actually nice knowing he's not possibly leaving. Umass when does Coach's son call a play and when does Mayo call it? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 21, 2022 16:46:50 GMT -5
Bill has not named coordinators jobs going on forever. His son is DC and I have zero issues with that. It's actually nice knowing he's not possibly leaving. Umass when does Coach's son call a play and when does Mayo call it? The way I've heard it described is that Mayo basically coaches the players because they don't have much respect for Bill's kid, but his son is the one calling most of the defensive plays. Could be entirely wrong, that's just how I've heard it. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 21, 2022 16:48:25 GMT -5
Honestly, I wasn't a fan of him as a DC either, but that's just me |
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Post by cdj on Dec 21, 2022 17:18:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I wasn't a fan of him as a DC either, but that's just me That’s fair, bend-don’t-break certainly isn’t for everybody lol |
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 21, 2022 18:33:41 GMT -5
I have a great idea for next season BB stays head coach.He promotes his son officially to defensive coordinator and he promotes his other son to be the offensive coordinator. Problem solved. No other coaches needed.
of course I am joking
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 22, 2022 12:43:01 GMT -5
Which is it he's OL coach or OC? Oh wait he's not the OC then? Did he resign Trent Brown and draft a rookie OG in the first from a small school? You really believe he decided to move Wynn before he even watched him play? Failure of the GM. Browns are 20th rated D, better than Raiders. Yet it's not even about points, it's how Zappe progressed within the offense from preseason and during those games. The way he commands the offense. If you don't think Zappe as a 4th round pick looked impressive that's a you problem. It's not always about results in my book. MP has been attacked since before any football was even played. I'm not even saying he’s good or great or anything like that. I'm just pushing back on the fact no one is talking about the other issues and he gets 100% of the blame. The Raiders have a veteran QB, top 5 WR, top RB and a darn good group of other weapons, Carr has a sack percentage almost half of what Mac Jones does. That should be one of the best offenses in football. Yeah I'll criticize it, first because everyone thinks Josh McDaniels is now a God. Second because that's what it looks like when it's not talent, just stupid mistakes after stupid mistakes. So what about Mac Jones to end last year? What about the first Bills game, they could literally win games without him passing and didn't even trust him to pass. You overlook Zappe because of the D, yet Mac Jones looking good last year was basically just that. Taking advantage of crappy teams. QBs take time, Mac Jones limited experience in College is showing and frankly it's almost like he needed this. I actually think this is good for him. It's either exposed his weaknesses or exposed he's not as good as we thought. That depends on what he does going forward. Yet the signs were there to end last year when they started taking the training wheels off. MP threw the kitchen sink at him and Mac Jones has struggled. Yet no way I wanted to keep babying him either. Before you told me that MP is not the OL coach and that insiders would agree. Ironically, that very night I heard Felger and Mazz talking about this very thing and how they said at the time giving MP both roles was ridiculous and it's showing just how true that is. Now, they'll sensationalize anything and make a mountain out of a mole hill and all that, but do we actually know for certain he's the OL coach in title only? Do we have any insiders who would say, "MP is not doing ANYTHING with the OL?" I tried Googling it for less than a minute, got bored and moved on. I'm not sure if the OL is really that awful either: www.patspulpit.com/2022/12/16/23509162/patriots-re-enter-pro-football-focus-top-5-offensive-line-rankingsGo ask a reporter that watches practices and would actually know. Felger and Mazz aren't watching Patriot practices, those are the last two guys for legit Patriots information out there. Go ask a Mike Reiss or someone like that. Yeah I feel very safe saying MP isn't acting like any other OL named coach in football because it's impossible. Like I said before he might be involved, yet he's not a full-time OL coach and OC, that's impossible. Titles mean nothing on Patriots and it's been that way for a long time. I don't watch tons of football besides the Patriots, yet Mac Jones had 5 QB hits last game. QB hits and pressures are just as important as sacks. It was better than the crazy crap we saw for weeks, yet I have a hard time believing that was a top 5 OL last week. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 22, 2022 12:44:43 GMT -5
Bill has not named coordinators jobs going on forever. His son is DC and I have zero issues with that. It's actually nice knowing he's not possibly leaving. Umass when does Coach's son call a play and when does Mayo call it? I always see Bills son calling plays, they show it multiple times every game. I can't recall ever seeing Mayo do it. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 22, 2022 17:58:05 GMT -5
Sorry to chng subject but Hurts is out this week. Thats a big issue with those type of quarterbacks. Lots of times those linebackers and safety can pop them in open field.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 23, 2022 14:02:31 GMT -5
Before you told me that MP is not the OL coach and that insiders would agree. Ironically, that very night I heard Felger and Mazz talking about this very thing and how they said at the time giving MP both roles was ridiculous and it's showing just how true that is. Now, they'll sensationalize anything and make a mountain out of a mole hill and all that, but do we actually know for certain he's the OL coach in title only? Do we have any insiders who would say, "MP is not doing ANYTHING with the OL?" I tried Googling it for less than a minute, got bored and moved on. I'm not sure if the OL is really that awful either: www.patspulpit.com/2022/12/16/23509162/patriots-re-enter-pro-football-focus-top-5-offensive-line-rankingsGo ask a reporter that watches practices and would actually know. Felger and Mazz aren't watching Patriot practices, those are the last two guys for legit Patriots information out there. Go ask a Mike Reiss or someone like that. Yeah I feel very safe saying MP isn't acting like any other OL named coach in football because it's impossible. Like I said before he might be involved, yet he's not a full-time OL coach and OC, that's impossible. Titles mean nothing on Patriots and it's been that way for a long time. I don't watch tons of football besides the Patriots, yet Mac Jones had 5 QB hits last game. QB hits and pressures are just as important as sacks. It was better than the crazy crap we saw for weeks, yet I have a hard time believing that was a top 5 OL last week. It would be nice to have a quote somewhere. I even pinged Mike Reiss on Twitter. There's just nothing out there that says MP isn't working both jobs other than the belief he can't be because it's too hard. In fact, there's a 98.5 article about MP having to wear multiple hats: 985thesportshub.com/listicle/the-patriots-are-asking-way-too-much-of-matt-patricia/ |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 23, 2022 14:09:35 GMT -5
This Phil Perry Tweet seems to indicate at least at one point MP was more stretched out at one point.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 23, 2022 14:13:39 GMT -5
And then this Tweet saying MP isn't confirming the move to Yates on the sidelines is permanent or not. Granted, it's a bit dated. I haven't been looking for Yates on the sidelines during games so he could be there now every game since this post for all I know. It seems it wasn't initially the plan to have Yates take over the OL and have MP just focus on play calling.
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Post by cdj on Dec 23, 2022 18:51:59 GMT -5
Last time Matt Patricia worked on offense was when Shaun Alexander led the league in rushing
And they have him in charge of multiple facets of the offense. And somebody is gonna argue that we can’t say for sure it hasn’t been a success. Lol, lmao, rofl
He stinks at his job! If I was that bad at my job I wouldn’t have it anymore! Fortunately I get way more buy-in from my work team!! Probably because they have respect for me because they’ve seen me successfully do their job. All the pats offense has seen is ineptitude since July, I don’t blame them for not buying-in to his **** show
Oh you were an assistant offensive line coach in 2005? Should definitely run an entire offense in 2022 after not working with offenses since then
Is there a more useless coaching position than Pats assistant offensive line coach under Scar btw? Probably not! And that was his offensive qualifications 😂
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Post by cdj on Dec 24, 2022 9:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Dec 24, 2022 10:03:43 GMT -5
Can we find some new coaching talent rather than just hiring retreads?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 24, 2022 11:30:17 GMT -5
Calling it now. Asiasi gets a touchdown today.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 24, 2022 12:04:17 GMT -5
Can we find some new coaching talent rather than just hiring retreads? I though Chad O'Shea or Jedd Fisch would be the next new bright offensive guy here. Both left before McDaniels. Not sure either would have fit the bill, though O'Shea made Brissett look viable for a bit this year. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 24, 2022 13:23:41 GMT -5
Great defense.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 24, 2022 13:26:51 GMT -5
2 teams going on opposite directions. Which heads will roll after this disaster of a season??
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 24, 2022 13:28:55 GMT -5
2 teams going on opposite directions. Which heads will roll after this disaster of a season?? Bengals don't even want extra points against you. |
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Post by jmei on Dec 24, 2022 13:30:13 GMT -5
This offense is embarrassing.
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Post by jmei on Dec 24, 2022 13:31:49 GMT -5
This offense team is embarrassing. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 24, 2022 13:32:11 GMT -5
This offense is embarrassing. And the defense. And the special teams. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 24, 2022 13:35:12 GMT -5
Patriots fans get lumps of coal in their stockings.
Not sure Jones can, or should, survive as this team's starting QB.
I'm listening on Sirius. Zolak is blowing a gasket
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