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Patriots 2022 Season Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Oct 7, 2022 12:37:16 GMT -5
Yeah the games they played coward ball it didn’t work, they lost. Cowboys. Bucs. Multiple examples last year. Everybody questioned those decisions the moment they happened and they proved to be correct in questioning them because they lost those games. They did it again in a very winnable game this week. Instead of playing not to lose, play to win. Not that much of an ask! It's called bringing along a rookie QB. Did they not start to open things up? Did Mac Jones not have a great rookie season? It's what Texas was talking about, some things are more important than wins and losses. Like developing young QBs the right way, not destroying them to win an extra game. A great way to build confidence for a young QB is to deliberately punt a game away in an obvious go-for-the-win situation, so he knows that you don’t believe in him. It would’ve been an even better rookie season with perhaps even a chance at a playoff victory with an extra regular season win or two that they should have had! And again this week I didn’t even want the rookie QB to do anything! It was a no-brainer situation, and the entire football world thinks that was incredibly stupid last Sunday. Wanna know why? Because it was. It fair to call that out and to act like it’s not is insane. It was coward ball and you’re in the minority in thinking it wasn’t I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 7, 2022 13:40:25 GMT -5
Well it could be worse, we could be Denver stuck paying a bum QB $50 mill a year That pass that was intercepted by Gilly was straight ass. Wilson's head is clearly not in the game. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 7, 2022 14:51:06 GMT -5
They ran play-action on Zappes TD so he can do it. And? They got 5 yards on first down, why not run it again? Sorry I just don't agree given the way they ran the ball against them and you had a rookie 3rd string QB. You had more success running than passing. Well you made it sound like he couldn’t run play action so I was pointing out he could and did it successfully and also GBs play action D has been terrible and it was in this game. It was the perfect down to do it on. They clearly weren’t committed to running it and not passing at all so it was a missed opportunity. If the argument is they should have committed to running it 4 times that’s fine, but they weren’t. And in my case, this isn’t a second guess hindsight as i was texting my buddies they need to play action and stick the dagger before the play. The couple times they did it that game there were wide open receivers. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 8, 2022 10:18:44 GMT -5
It's called bringing along a rookie QB. Did they not start to open things up? Did Mac Jones not have a great rookie season? It's what Texas was talking about, some things are more important than wins and losses. Like developing young QBs the right way, not destroying them to win an extra game. A great way to build confidence for a young QB is to deliberately punt a game away in an obvious go-for-the-win situation, so he knows that you don’t believe in him. It would’ve been an even better rookie season with perhaps even a chance at a playoff victory with an extra regular season win or two that they should have had! And again this week I didn’t even want the rookie QB to do anything! It was a no-brainer situation, and the entire football world thinks that was incredibly stupid last Sunday. Wanna know why? Because it was. It fair to call that out and to act like it’s not is insane. It was coward ball and you’re in the minority in thinking it wasn’t I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here You wanted to run it 4 times, now you're talking about building confidence in a rookie QB? Running it 4 times straight shows you have zero confidence in Zappe. Letting him throw it on 3rd and five was a great chance to allow him to win the game no? Funny you're the only one I've seen talking about running it four straight times. You can have an opinion and complain all you want, that's 100% fair. Calling out Bill and saying he needs to change crosses the line in my book. It's not just you either, it's so many people since start of training camp. Texas was 100% right everything isn't about wins and losses. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 8, 2022 10:30:30 GMT -5
And? They got 5 yards on first down, why not run it again? Sorry I just don't agree given the way they ran the ball against them and you had a rookie 3rd string QB. You had more success running than passing. Well you made it sound like he couldn’t run play action so I was pointing out he could and did it successfully and also GBs play action D has been terrible and it was in this game. It was the perfect down to do it on. They clearly weren’t committed to running it and not passing at all so it was a missed opportunity. If the argument is they should have committed to running it 4 times that’s fine, but they weren’t. And in my case, this isn’t a second guess hindsight as i was texting my buddies they need to play action and stick the dagger before the play. The couple times they did it that game there were wide open receivers. He's a rookie QB, doing something once doesn't mean he's automatic and can just do it again right? What if it's incomplete, he's sacked or throws an interception? I didn't want to run it 4 straight times, yet I like the conservative play calls of running it twice to try and get first down given the way they ran the ball in that game. Then I like trusting Zappe on 3rd down compared to running it again. I wouldn't change the run, run, pass, I might complain they should have used different play calls. Not having Meyers was huge in that situation 1st down play action would be even better no? You could really catch them off guard and throw it 3 straight times, they wouldn't be expecting that. Yet he's a rookie third string QB. We don't even know how much of the playbook he knows at this point. Cam Newton couldn't learn it in a full year as starter getting starter reps all offseason. I don't disagree that was a good spot and if it was Mac Jones I'd say you were right. I just play it more conservative with Zappe, try to run to a win before putting it up in the air. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 8, 2022 13:54:18 GMT -5
A great way to build confidence for a young QB is to deliberately punt a game away in an obvious go-for-the-win situation, so he knows that you don’t believe in him. It would’ve been an even better rookie season with perhaps even a chance at a playoff victory with an extra regular season win or two that they should have had! And again this week I didn’t even want the rookie QB to do anything! It was a no-brainer situation, and the entire football world thinks that was incredibly stupid last Sunday. Wanna know why? Because it was. It fair to call that out and to act like it’s not is insane. It was coward ball and you’re in the minority in thinking it wasn’t I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here You wanted to run it 4 times, now you're talking about building confidence in a rookie QB? Running it 4 times straight shows you have zero confidence in Zappe. Letting him throw it on 3rd and five was a great chance to allow him to win the game no? Funny you're the only one I've seen talking about running it four straight times. You can have an opinion and complain all you want, that's 100% fair. Calling out Bill and saying he needs to change crosses the line in my book. It's not just you either, it's so many people since start of training camp. Texas was 100% right everything isn't about wins and losses. I do not care about your imaginary line. He should stop coaching like a bitch in close games against good teams. 99% of people who watch football across the league agree with that (just like that decision got a 99% on the coward index) And yes giving Zappe a chance to win a game would have been good for his confidence. He likely would have won if they ran it twice, and he would’ve felt pretty damn good about himself coming out of Lambeau with a win. They had the game won. They played coward ball. Fact, not opinion. Done debating because minds won’t be changed. “Not everything’s about wins or losses” is loser mentality, especially when lame excuses are being made for a perfectly winnable game that was unnecessarily punted away. Basically the only take you guys have is that they didn’t play to win in a tie game in overtime and you’re ok with that. That’s bananas to me. I’m not ok with that and I’ll never be ok with that. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 8, 2022 14:21:55 GMT -5
Jake Bailey has the worst average and net average of any punter so far, and he also has the most touchbacks in the league. You may say that's a product of Belichick being conservative and making him punt near midfield a lot, but he's only tied for 16th place (with five other punters) for punts inside the 20. He's tied for 18th in longest punt.
The Pats devote a lot of resources to special teams, and on paper he should have a pretty decent coverage unit helping him out with that net average. Not only do the Pats punt too often, they have a punter playing bad football after signing an extension for real money relative to punters. Playing the conservative field position game is really tough when your punt operation isn't getting it done.
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Post by cdj on Oct 8, 2022 14:36:12 GMT -5
Jake Bailey has the worst average and net average of any punter so far, and he also has the most touchbacks in the league. You may say that's a product of Belichick being conservative and making him punt near midfield a lot, but he's only tied for 16th place (with five other punters) for punts inside the 20. He's tied for 18th in longest punt. The Pats devote a lot of resources to special teams, and on paper he should have a pretty decent coverage unit helping him out with that net average. Not only do the Pats punt too often, they have a punter playing bad football after signing an extension for real money relative to punters. Playing the conservative field position game is really tough when your punt operation isn't getting it done. Yet another factor that dictates it was a stupid decision to punt it away- Bailey was having the worst game I’ve ever seen him have |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 8, 2022 15:50:14 GMT -5
Thornton activated. Gilbert and Sokol elevated.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 9, 2022 9:13:31 GMT -5
You wanted to run it 4 times, now you're talking about building confidence in a rookie QB? Running it 4 times straight shows you have zero confidence in Zappe. Letting him throw it on 3rd and five was a great chance to allow him to win the game no? Funny you're the only one I've seen talking about running it four straight times. You can have an opinion and complain all you want, that's 100% fair. Calling out Bill and saying he needs to change crosses the line in my book. It's not just you either, it's so many people since start of training camp. Texas was 100% right everything isn't about wins and losses. I do not care about your imaginary line. He should stop coaching like a bitch in close games against good teams. 99% of people who watch football across the league agree with that (just like that decision got a 99% on the coward index) And yes giving Zappe a chance to win a game would have been good for his confidence. He likely would have won if they ran it twice, and he would’ve felt pretty damn good about himself coming out of Lambeau with a win. They had the game won. They played coward ball. Fact, not opinion. Done debating because minds won’t be changed. “Not everything’s about wins or losses” is loser mentality, especially when lame excuses are being made for a perfectly winnable game that was unnecessarily punted away. Basically the only take you guys have is that they didn’t play to win in a tie game in overtime and you’re ok with that. That’s bananas to me. I’m not ok with that and I’ll never be ok with that. Stop acting like the whole world thinks you're right. You can certainly have an opinion, yet almost nothing in this world is 99%. I've seen no one besides you say run it four straight times. That's coward ball in today's NFL and I would have called Bill out for that. They gave Zappe a chance, he failed. Your way shows zero trust in him. Only way to give Zappe a chance to win the game is to let him throw. You know darn well if they ran it four times didn't get it you'd be on hear complaining about something else. You said the same thing about Mac Jones last year, he made the playoffs and pro bowl as a rookie. They did a darn good job developing him with that loser mentality. You want a guy like that Eagles coach who was fired after a few years. I find that comical. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 9, 2022 9:17:41 GMT -5
I do not care about your imaginary line. He should stop coaching like a bitch in close games against good teams. 99% of people who watch football across the league agree with that (just like that decision got a 99% on the coward index) And yes giving Zappe a chance to win a game would have been good for his confidence. He likely would have won if they ran it twice, and he would’ve felt pretty damn good about himself coming out of Lambeau with a win. They had the game won. They played coward ball. Fact, not opinion. Done debating because minds won’t be changed. “Not everything’s about wins or losses” is loser mentality, especially when lame excuses are being made for a perfectly winnable game that was unnecessarily punted away. Basically the only take you guys have is that they didn’t play to win in a tie game in overtime and you’re ok with that. That’s bananas to me. I’m not ok with that and I’ll never be ok with that. Stop acting like the whole world thinks you're right. You can certainly have an opinion, yet almost nothing in this world is 99%. I've seen no one besides you say run it four straight times. That's coward ball in today's NFL and I would have called Bill out for that. They gave Zappe a chance, he failed. Your way shows zero trust in him. Only way to give Zappe a chance to win the game is to let him throw. You know darn well if they ran it four times didn't get it you'd be on hear complaining about something else. You said the same thing about Mac Jones last year, he made the playoffs and pro bowl as a rookie. They did a darn good job developing him with that loser mentality. You want a guy like that Eagles coach who was fired after a few years. I find that comical. Maybe look outside of a minor league baseball forum if you want to see the majority of the football world laughing at your silly opinion that it’s actually a smart thing to punt away an easily winnable football game because “long term development” or something. 99% coward index Like I said- done debating this. Gone down enough of your silly rabbit holes that defy logic and I’ve dedicated enough words to it. You’re not changing my mind and I’m not changing yours And I wouldn’t be on here complaining if they would’ve gone for it, that’s just total bullshit coming from you with zero grounding in reality…which is to be expected at this point in a debate with you. Grasping at straws. Sorry I like it when my teams play to win instead of playing to not lose, it doesn’t mean the stuff you invent about me is true. Somebody who openly admits to intentionally leaving out info to better their argument like you did a month or two back isn’t worth the time of day I’ve already invested. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 9, 2022 10:43:40 GMT -5
One of these days we’ll see Bryant on the list and Wade active
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 9, 2022 10:54:38 GMT -5
Stop acting like the whole world thinks you're right. You can certainly have an opinion, yet almost nothing in this world is 99%. I've seen no one besides you say run it four straight times. That's coward ball in today's NFL and I would have called Bill out for that. They gave Zappe a chance, he failed. Your way shows zero trust in him. Only way to give Zappe a chance to win the game is to let him throw. You know darn well if they ran it four times didn't get it you'd be on hear complaining about something else. You said the same thing about Mac Jones last year, he made the playoffs and pro bowl as a rookie. They did a darn good job developing him with that loser mentality. You want a guy like that Eagles coach who was fired after a few years. I find that comical. Maybe look outside of a minor league baseball forum if you want to see the majority of the football world laughing at your silly opinion that it’s actually a smart thing to punt away an easily winnable football game because “long term development” or something. 99% coward index Like I said- done debating this. Gone down enough of your silly rabbit holes that defy logic and I’ve dedicated enough words to it. You’re not changing my mind and I’m not changing yours And I wouldn’t be on here complaining if they would’ve gone for it, that’s just total bullshit coming from you with zero grounding in reality…which is to be expected at this point in a debate with you. Grasping at straws. Sorry I like it when my teams play to win instead of playing to not lose, it doesn’t mean the stuff you invent about me is true. Somebody who openly admits to intentionally leaving out info to better their argument like you did a month or two back isn’t worth the time of day I’ve already invested. I'm on Twitter, what better place is there than that? It's nothing like you claim. Did you not like Mac Jones development? No it's not you said the same crap about Mac Jones last year. Knowledgeable fans realize you bring along rookie QBs slowly so you don't destroy their confidence early on like crappy teams do. Steelers sitting a rookie first round pick for games so he's ready. 49ers playing Jimmy over Lance. Even Brady year two was brought along very slowly to protect him and he became the GOAT. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 9, 2022 13:13:20 GMT -5
See what can happen getting aggressive on 4th down? That's a veteran QB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 9, 2022 13:21:15 GMT -5
Kinda done with Agholor given the fumbles, drops and now interception.
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Post by cdj on Oct 9, 2022 13:28:56 GMT -5
Maybe look outside of a minor league baseball forum if you want to see the majority of the football world laughing at your silly opinion that it’s actually a smart thing to punt away an easily winnable football game because “long term development” or something. 99% coward index Like I said- done debating this. Gone down enough of your silly rabbit holes that defy logic and I’ve dedicated enough words to it. You’re not changing my mind and I’m not changing yours And I wouldn’t be on here complaining if they would’ve gone for it, that’s just total bullshit coming from you with zero grounding in reality…which is to be expected at this point in a debate with you. Grasping at straws. Sorry I like it when my teams play to win instead of playing to not lose, it doesn’t mean the stuff you invent about me is true. Somebody who openly admits to intentionally leaving out info to better their argument like you did a month or two back isn’t worth the time of day I’ve already invested. I'm on Twitter, what better place is there than that? It's nothing like you claim. Did you not like Mac Jones development? No it's not you said the same crap about Mac Jones last year. Knowledgeable fans realize you bring along rookie QBs slowly so you don't destroy their confidence early on like crappy teams do. Steelers sitting a rookie first round pick for games so he's ready. 49ers playing Jimmy over Lance. Even Brady year two was brought along very slowly to protect him and he became the GOAT. FYI didn’t read, Good half by the defense. Nelson Agholor sucks. Zappe looks competent. Stevenson is nasty |
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Post by cdj on Oct 9, 2022 14:06:47 GMT -5
QB CONTROVERSY
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 9, 2022 14:12:39 GMT -5
It's annoying me that Bill wanted to start Hoyer over Zappe.
The kid has poise and confidence. The Lions have the worst defense in football and it might be historically bad, but Zappe looks good. He should start next week and then we'll see if there's a real controversy in the making.
Defense needs credit for today for sure.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 9, 2022 15:51:46 GMT -5
Well at least Hoyer never materalized. Again Wynn with a hold. I never seen a tackle on the Pats this bad every week he gets called for something. Meyers just keeps doing his job.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2022 6:04:02 GMT -5
Zappe moves around in the pocket like a seasoned veteran. Not going too crazy that D is horrible. Yet that's what you want to see when you take another QB a year after taking one in the first the year before. Maybe Bill should draft more QBs, his recent record is kinda crazy and even overall is darn impressive compared to the NFL average.
Jack Jones, dare I say young Ty Law?
About time Henry got going.
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Post by cdj on Oct 10, 2022 7:38:01 GMT -5
Agholor more or less got benched so that’s nice (7 snaps iirc)
Bourne got far more, as did Thornton
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Post by philarhody on Oct 10, 2022 10:18:15 GMT -5
Jack Jones is a player. If he can keep his head on straight, he’ll be get paid big bucks by some other team in 4 years.
If Thornton can stay healthy, Patriots basically nailed two straight drafts.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 10, 2022 13:13:26 GMT -5
Rhamondre is an absolute joy to watch run the football, and the fact that he's now contributing in the passing game is huge. We all talk about it - having a back that can stay on the field all three downs and be a dual threat makes the whole unit more unpredictable. Still, I hope Montgomery can get healthy or Strong bucks trends and contributes this year so they don't overwork Stevenson. Hopefully Harris doesn't miss time and stays healthy as well, I'm a fan of his as well, but there's no doubt who the better player is at this point.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2022 14:37:23 GMT -5
Stevenson is my 3rd down RB. I think less is more, like no Montgomery and Junno is a good thing. Harris is also huge though. The change in running styles doesn't allow D to adjust. Both power guys, yet they do it differently.
I'm big on resigning Harris. He shouldn't cost a lot and we have other needs to spend draft picks on.
Like an athletic LB.
Marcus Jones 15 snaps at slot CB is the start of the change I think most want.
Robert's DL also playing a decent chunk.
Thornton is basically the key to an epic draft class. Nevermind the few OL guys that still have upside.
The big disappointment is Strong, is this Harris type crap where they feel he isn't ready? Or him learning to become a receiving back and protecting the QB? In theory he's the perfect 3rd RB to Harris and Stevenson, giving you that HR threat.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2022 5:52:39 GMT -5
Strong may just suck, but it’s hard to fully judge based on what’s in front of him. Stephenson has been so good and, like you said, a good third down back, so where does Strong even fit? Especially if Monty is healthy.
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