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9/16-9/18 Red Sox vs. Royals Series Thread
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 16, 2022 20:08:56 GMT -5
I wouldn’t mind having Garret on the Sox next year
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Post by benzinger on Sept 16, 2022 20:33:31 GMT -5
Xander’s AB was so bad that my dog got up and left the room. She knows her baseball.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 16, 2022 20:35:31 GMT -5
Wow - the Sox tried so hard to squander - and the KC relievers wouldn't let them.
Tie game on wicked awesome walks
((( wipes eyes ))) JD with a clutch hit.
Full moon was last week. What's up?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 16, 2022 20:39:07 GMT -5
The big, tall kid has a great eye. But...couldn't deliver the desired grand slam!
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Post by Guidas on Sept 16, 2022 20:50:55 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 16, 2022 20:51:55 GMT -5
Tonight showed a few things - how you can win when you feel like you lose - and what happens when an average team meets a worse team!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 16, 2022 20:54:29 GMT -5
Going into 2020 the top 4 starters were Sale (TJ), Price (traded), E-Rod (heart condition), Eovaldi (missed starts due to injury), so at one point #5 starter, Martin Perez was the Red Sox #1. Under those circumstances expectations were obviously low, and the Red Sox were behind in games early and often. They finish stronger though at 12-9. They were actually 20-20 on the season against all teams not TB and MFY (4-16) to finish 24-36. In 2022 the it feels worst even though their record is better, because of how many games the Red Sox have had a lead only to blow it in the 8th or more often 9th innings. I can not blame only the bullpen as many times the offense simply did not score enough runs. I can not expect the bullpen to pitch 4 or 5 innings every night and give up 0 runs, because they are only leading 2-1. The number of close losses as been almost unbelievable. I hope Bloom & Co spend enough and wisely to make the Red Sox competitive (and I hope the injury situation is also better in 2023). So they've only lost 4 games in which they were ahead entering the 9th inning out of 67, and have only lost 6 out of 67 they entered the 8th in the lead. They've blown more leads earlier. stathead.com/baseball/inning_summary.cgi?year=2022&team_id=BOS&utm_medium=br&utm_source=team-inning-sum&utm_campaign=baseball&__hstc=107817757.262ed563fecd1ba38a410000e336331b.1638991200680.1663126783094.1663379197803.165&__hssc=107817757.5.1663379197803&__hsfp=2332421074
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 16, 2022 20:59:30 GMT -5
Going into 2020 the top 4 starters were Sale (TJ), Price (traded), E-Rod (heart condition), Eovaldi (missed starts due to injury), so at one point #5 starter, Martin Perez was the Red Sox #1. Under those circumstances expectations were obviously low, and the Red Sox were behind in games early and often. They finish stronger though at 12-9. They were actually 20-20 on the season against all teams not TB and MFY (4-16) to finish 24-36. In 2022 the it feels worst even though their record is better, because of how many games the Red Sox have had a lead only to blow it in the 8th or more often 9th innings. I can not blame only the bullpen as many times the offense simply did not score enough runs. I can not expect the bullpen to pitch 4 or 5 innings every night and give up 0 runs, because they are only leading 2-1. The number of close losses as been almost unbelievable. I hope Bloom & Co spend enough and wisely to make the Red Sox competitive (and I hope the injury situation is also better in 2023). So they've only lost 4 games in which they were ahead entering the 9th inning out of 67, and have only lost 6 out of 67 they entered the 8th in the lead. They've blown more leads earlier. stathead.com/baseball/inning_summary.cgi?year=2022&team_id=BOS&utm_medium=br&utm_source=team-inning-sum&utm_campaign=baseball&__hstc=107817757.262ed563fecd1ba38a410000e336331b.1638991200680.1663126783094.1663379197803.165&__hssc=107817757.5.1663379197803&__hsfp=2332421074 It just FEELS like they have lost a whole lot more late inning leads than that…..
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 16, 2022 21:15:16 GMT -5
Gotta give Bloom credit for Wacha. Hope he comes back at a reasonable rste.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 17, 2022 3:24:27 GMT -5
BTW, my quick-and-dirty division adjustment still has the Sox 1.5 games ahead of the Guardians. In a balanced schedule, we'd be 4.5 G behind the Mariners for the last WC spot, and 5.5 behind the O's.
And given all the injuries, being 6 games over .500 wouldn't have folks in despair for next year. In fact, you can set aside the bullpen struggles and lack of clutch hitting -- the reasons why we're not in the thick of the W/C race amounts to:
A) Chris Sale essentially missed the whole year B) We played in the AL East, who collective have played .580 ball against everyone else.
Fun fact: Tampa is further west than Cleveland, by about 50 miles.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 17, 2022 9:45:51 GMT -5
Thanks and goodbye, Kevin Plawecki. Hello, Mr. German!
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 17, 2022 11:53:33 GMT -5
Thanks and goodbye, Kevin Plawecki. Hello, Mr. German! The biggest question is does he take the laundry cart with him?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 17, 2022 13:28:04 GMT -5
i gave up in the 7th. should have stayed.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 17, 2022 13:30:54 GMT -5
Gotta give Bloom credit for Wacha. Hope he comes back at a reasonable rste. i would love that. Curious, what do you think is reasonable ? i kind of think he will probably get 4 years. He has been 1 of the best pitchers in the majors. You have to think 16-20. Major Credit and also, not that blaming him, major bad luck. Wish Bloom would have gone at least 2 years, even though risky.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 17, 2022 14:56:12 GMT -5
Gotta give Bloom credit for Wacha. Hope he comes back at a reasonable rste. i would love that. Curious, what do you think is reasonable ? i kind of think he will probably get 4 years. He has been 1 of the best pitchers in the majors. You have to think 16-20. Major Credit and also, not that blaming him, major bad luck. Wish Bloom would have gone at least 2 years, even though risky. Wacha was terrible last year(and a couple years before that). He looked completely cooked last year and the Sox pummeled him in the postseason. I don’t know what happened this year, but I definitely wouldn’t trust him for 4 years. I would guess they hit him with the qualifying offer and see what happens from there. It would have been nice if there was an option year on Wacha’s deal, but Bloom had to save that for Paxton instead. In Bloom’s defense, I though Wacha was a terrible signing when it was announced. But he is one of the very few guys who exceeded expectations this year.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 17, 2022 15:24:35 GMT -5
Pham .176 in Sept (not including today), 19 Ks. Ugh.
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Post by soxinjersey on Sept 17, 2022 15:27:05 GMT -5
Going into 2020 the top 4 starters were Sale (TJ), Price (traded), E-Rod (heart condition), Eovaldi (missed starts due to injury), so at one point #5 starter, Martin Perez was the Red Sox #1. Under those circumstances expectations were obviously low, and the Red Sox were behind in games early and often. They finish stronger though at 12-9. They were actually 20-20 on the season against all teams not TB and MFY (4-16) to finish 24-36. In 2022 the it feels worst even though their record is better, because of how many games the Red Sox have had a lead only to blow it in the 8th or more often 9th innings. I can not blame only the bullpen as many times the offense simply did not score enough runs. I can not expect the bullpen to pitch 4 or 5 innings every night and give up 0 runs, because they are only leading 2-1. The number of close losses as been almost unbelievable. I hope Bloom & Co spend enough and wisely to make the Red Sox competitive (and I hope the injury situation is also better in 2023). So they've only lost 4 games in which they were ahead entering the 9th inning out of 67, and have only lost 6 out of 67 they entered the 8th in the lead. They've blown more leads earlier. stathead.com/baseball/inning_summary.cgi?year=2022&team_id=BOS&utm_medium=br&utm_source=team-inning-sum&utm_campaign=baseball&__hstc=107817757.262ed563fecd1ba38a410000e336331b.1638991200680.1663126783094.1663379197803.165&__hssc=107817757.5.1663379197803&__hsfp=2332421074
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 17, 2022 15:34:07 GMT -5
Yep. Still 2022, so a bone head base running play.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 17, 2022 15:34:59 GMT -5
Pham .176 in Sept (not including today), 19 Ks. Ugh. Counterpoint: We haven’t had to watch Franchy or Duran in a while. On the other hand, it might be time to get Pham out of the leadoff slot.
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Post by soxinjersey on Sept 17, 2022 15:36:20 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 17, 2022 15:37:25 GMT -5
i would love that. Curious, what do you think is reasonable ? i kind of think he will probably get 4 years. He has been 1 of the best pitchers in the majors. You have to think 16-20. Major Credit and also, not that blaming him, major bad luck. Wish Bloom would have gone at least 2 years, even though risky. Wacha was terrible last year(and a couple years before that). He looked completely cooked last year and the Sox pummeled him in the postseason. I don’t know what happened this year, but I definitely wouldn’t trust him for 4 years. I would guess they hit him with the qualifying offer and see what happens from there. It would have been nice if there was an option year on Wacha’s deal, but Bloom had to save that for Paxton instead. In Bloom’s defense, I though Wacha was a terrible signing when it was announced. But he is one of the very few guys who exceeded expectations this year. Yeah, he is gonna get more than 1 year from someone. I think the Sox will be forced to go higher, if they want him.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 17, 2022 15:42:41 GMT -5
Wacha was terrible last year(and a couple years before that). He looked completely cooked last year and the Sox pummeled him in the postseason. I don’t know what happened this year, but I definitely wouldn’t trust him for 4 years. I would guess they hit him with the qualifying offer and see what happens from there. It would have been nice if there was an option year on Wacha’s deal, but Bloom had to save that for Paxton instead. In Bloom’s defense, I though Wacha was a terrible signing when it was announced. But he is one of the very few guys who exceeded expectations this year. Yeah, he is gonna get more than 1 year from someone. I think the Sox will be forced to go higher, if they want him. For sure he will get more than a year. I don’t think I want to be stuck holding the bag on a 3/$48m or 4/$60m deal for him, though. I don’t trust him to pitch like this in the future OR stay healthy. No doubt he’s been great, though.
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Post by soxinjersey on Sept 17, 2022 15:47:16 GMT -5
I started a post and lost it when I went back to check something. So here goes again: I was surprised by these numbers, but here are some others from this same link: The Sox are 5-11 in games tied going into the 8th, 4-13 in games tied going into the 9th, and 9-12 in extra innings. It's hard to know how much overlap among these games, but the consistency of these numbers underscores just how bad the Sox's late-inning relief pitching has been. Would a .500 record in these games have added 5-6 wins to the Sox's record? When games are close late, the Sox play like they hope to win. Good teams play like they expect to win.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 17, 2022 15:52:44 GMT -5
Where's Xander today?
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Post by Guidas on Sept 17, 2022 15:54:42 GMT -5
Devers would be a 7 or 8 fWAR player if he only swung at pitches in the zone.
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