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Post by Guidas on Sept 21, 2022 19:33:16 GMT -5
Connor Seabold is this decade’s Allen Webster.
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Post by keninten on Sept 21, 2022 19:39:30 GMT -5
Seabold should be in the pen next year
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 21, 2022 19:48:43 GMT -5
Seabold deserved a better result tonight
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Post by incandenza on Sept 21, 2022 19:48:59 GMT -5
He just got BABIPed to death after a really nice start, what are you guys talking about?
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Post by incandenza on Sept 21, 2022 19:51:10 GMT -5
People often say “throw out 2020.” Ok. If we do, in 2 seasons Verdugo is averaging 12 HRs per 162 games. A 105 OPS+. They may think hey we need one more OFer this off-season, but Verdugo, Kiké, and Player X still risks being an under-average offensive OF. Verdugo has also declined in BA, OBP, SLG & OPS every year since 2020. If he were a stock, nobody would be buying. Boy, OBP and SLG going down is one thing - but his OPS has declined too? Yikes!
(His xwOBA has been very consistent for the last four seasons, except that he had an outlier on the low side in 2020.)
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Post by patford on Sept 21, 2022 19:55:13 GMT -5
Wondering what is the worst start by a hitter in Red Sox history?
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Post by keninten on Sept 21, 2022 20:07:45 GMT -5
Wondering what is the worst start by a hitter in Red Sox history? Didn`t Luis Aparicio go 0-44 to start a season?
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Post by keninten on Sept 21, 2022 20:09:31 GMT -5
Wondering what is the worst start by a hitter in Red Sox history? Didn`t Luis Aparicio go 0-44 to start a season? Nope, looked it up it wasn`t him
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 21, 2022 20:09:36 GMT -5
This team is the epitome of playing out the string. Hardly a sign of life and getting shut down by mediocre pitchers.
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Post by manfred on Sept 21, 2022 20:11:49 GMT -5
Verdugo has also declined in BA, OBP, SLG & OPS every year since 2020. If he were a stock, nobody would be buying. Boy, OBP and SLG going down is one thing - but his OPS has declined too? Yikes!
(His xwOBA has been very consistent for the last four seasons, except that he had an outlier on the low side in 2020.)
Serious question: do *expected* numbers lose predictive value when applied to 300+ games?
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Post by incandenza on Sept 21, 2022 20:20:10 GMT -5
Boy, OBP and SLG going down is one thing - but his OPS has declined too? Yikes!
(His xwOBA has been very consistent for the last four seasons, except that he had an outlier on the low side in 2020.)
Serious question: do *expected* numbers lose predictive value when applied to 300+ games? Of course. E.g., Bogaerts always outperforms his xwOBA. I'm always going on about how you shouldn't look at that stat in a vacuum or apply it in a one-size-fits-all way.
But I was just making an observation about a trend in xwOBA, which is a good way to judge whether Verdugo has actually been declining, as was being implied.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 21, 2022 20:21:27 GMT -5
Okay, I am on board this Bogaerts effort to snatch the triple crown out of Judge's soulless Yankee clutches. This is the thing I am rooting for now.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 21, 2022 20:27:53 GMT -5
Okay, I am on board this Bogaerts effort to snatch the triple crown out of Judge's soulless Yankee clutches. This is the thing I am rooting for now. I am with you but be prepared for a media slobber fest on Judge whether he wins the triple crown or not, the likes of which wasnt thrown Cabrera's way a few years ago when he actually accomplished it.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 21, 2022 20:48:05 GMT -5
Just noticed Story has played in only 94 games. Not all his fault but not good either. Its gotten to the point where I forget he is on the roster.
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Post by manfred on Sept 21, 2022 20:54:31 GMT -5
Serious question: do *expected* numbers lose predictive value when applied to 300+ games? Of course. E.g., Bogaerts always outperforms his xwOBA. I'm always going on about how you shouldn't look at that stat in a vacuum or apply it in a one-size-fits-all way.
But I was just making an observation about a trend in xwOBA, which is a good way to judge whether Verdugo has actually been declining, as was being implied.
Ok. As a side note, I wasn’t argue he is declining. More that he’s just not that good, except for a burst in 2020. (And he’s *fine*, but he and Kiké are likely combined *fine-ish… so unless they get a really good 3rd OF, the OF will still be merely fair).
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Post by cdj on Sept 21, 2022 21:22:47 GMT -5
Just noticed Story has played in only 94 games. Not all his fault but not good either. Its gotten to the point where I forget he is on the roster. Sometimes you get drilled on the hand, not much you can do about it
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Post by benzinger on Sept 21, 2022 21:23:39 GMT -5
Serious question: do *expected* numbers lose predictive value when applied to 300+ games? Of course. E.g., Bogaerts always outperforms his xwOBA. I'm always going on about how you shouldn't look at that stat in a vacuum or apply it in a one-size-fits-all way.
But I was just making an observation about a trend in xwOBA, which is a good way to judge whether Verdugo has actually been declining, as was being implied.
You can “advance stat” this thing into oblivion. And when you are done you can convince yourself that “gosh! Verdugo is actually better than I thought”. But the rest of us here on planet Earth see a marginal talent with regressing REAL numbers and can’t pretend to get excited at all.
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Post by cheers on Sept 21, 2022 21:25:52 GMT -5
Verdugo is a nice "energy guy" 4th OF on a contender. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 21, 2022 21:26:06 GMT -5
Advance statting this team into oblivion seems to be the only thing left to do with this sad ending to a sad season.
Certainly doing their best to play like the last place team that they are.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 21, 2022 22:04:43 GMT -5
Okay, I am on board this Bogaerts effort to snatch the triple crown out of Judge's soulless Yankee clutches. This is the thing I am rooting for now. I am with you but be prepared for a media slobber fest on Judge whether he wins the triple crown or not, the likes of which wasnt thrown Cabrera's way a few years ago when he actually accomplished it. Maybe it's because Cabrera wasn't a threat to break the legitimate single season HR record? I hate the Yankees too but let's be honest here. Aaron Judge deserves the slobberfest. He's having a historic season, breaking the HR record (depending on how legit you feel McGwire's, Sosa's, and Bonds' HR totals are as YMMV...personally I still consider Hank Aaron to be the all time HR king..and I dont think greenies and steroids are equal to each other) AND by the way, vying for the triple crown. I think you have to be a true Red Sox homer not to appreciate the historic season Judge is having. It's an amazing season, one, in combination with his past seasons, that should help him vault into Cooperstown even if the rest of his career isnt anywhere near as epic
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Post by cdj on Sept 21, 2022 22:56:09 GMT -5
Verdugo is a nice "energy guy" 4th OF on a contender. Nothing more, nothing less. Well he was just a starting OF on an ALCS team less than a year ago so yeahhhhhh not so sure about that one chief Of all the players to complain about on this team he’s not the guy. If you take away his clearly unlucky first two months (which should have been visible to anybody here on “planet earth” or whatever the out-to-lunch ‘zero tool benzo’ wants to claim) he’s been a very good hitter this year. There’s no debate to be had over that. In the 2nd half he’s been .309/.367/.440. If that’s a bench player you have unreasonably high expectations for bench players Outside of Devers nobody on the team has impacted winning with their bat more than Verdugo. It’s not even close either. WPA Devers 2.8 Verdugo 1.8 Everybody else 0.5 or lower I really hate having an elite contact hitter who consistently comes through in the clutch.
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Post by soxinsf on Sept 21, 2022 23:08:52 GMT -5
It deserves to be said again.
Aaron Judge has earned and deserves the attention he is getting.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 22, 2022 0:18:48 GMT -5
It deserves to be said again. Aaron Judge has earned and deserves the attention he is getting. His offensive numbers are going to be essentially better than Mike Trout's best seasons. He is entered a level of of HR's that were only recently done during the steroid era. He has always been a good baseball player. What we are seeing this year makes no sense, if you ask me. He is having a Brady Anderson type outlier offensive season. Either he is having the luckiest walk season of all time or there is a lot to here to be distrustful about here.
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Post by bentossaurus on Sept 22, 2022 4:20:46 GMT -5
Okay, I am on board this Bogaerts effort to snatch the triple crown out of Judge's soulless Yankee clutches. This is the thing I am rooting for now. I am with you but be prepared for a media slobber fest on Judge whether he wins the triple crown or not, the likes of which wasnt thrown Cabrera's way a few years ago when he actually accomplished it. Didn't Cabrera essentially "steal" the MVP from Trout on the back of that Triple Crown?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 22, 2022 5:56:06 GMT -5
It deserves to be said again. Aaron Judge has earned and deserves the attention he is getting. His offensive numbers are going to be essentially better than Mike Trout's best seasons. He is entered a level of of HR's that were only recently done during the steroid era. He has always been a good baseball player. What we are seeing this year makes no sense, if you ask me. He is having a Brady Anderson type outlier offensive season. Either he is having the luckiest walk season of all time or there is a lot to here to be distrustful about here. It's not a total outlier like Brady Anderson. Anderson's career high was more than double his best single season HR total. It came out of nowhere. Aaron Judge already has a 50 HR season on his resume. Judge is simply a great player, as he has been his entire career, a HOFer having a peak season. If he was wearing a Red Sox uniform this year instead I don't think it would be questioned around here.
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