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Will the Red Sox completely clean house this offseason?
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Post by wOBA Fett on Sept 21, 2022 22:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 22, 2022 8:27:08 GMT -5
This was an excellent interview
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 23, 2022 3:54:50 GMT -5
Chaim has said they expected to make another move in the OF after the JBJ trade and he regrets that it didn't happen. We know they were talking to Pham and it's still a little strange that deal didn't happen. They were in on AJ Pollack, but the Dodgers ended up getting Craig Kimbrel for him.
Ironically, they did make the single best RH OF move that any team could have made - sign Rob Refsnyder. But then they gave the 4th OF job to Christian Arroyo out of spring training (in part to find the flexibility to keep Travis Shaw on the team), which was a serious error that deserves more scorn.
Ugh, what an ugly chain of decisions. And yet still this all could have turned out decently if Kiké had been healthy - a JBJ/Refsnyder platoon in RF and Kiké in CF would have been totally viable. Instead we got way more Duran and more JBJ than was ideal.
That's not exculpatory, though; you can never assume everyone's going to stay healthy.
Dept. of one of these things is not like the other ... best wOBA vs. LHP, minimum 65 PA.
Goldschmidt Pujols Austin Riley Altuve Bogaerts Betts Trout Refsnyder
He does have a much less impressive xwOBA (but still well above average). I'll run his batted-ball-type and location-adjusted numbers at some point.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 26, 2022 22:17:31 GMT -5
I don't really get this thread. The title is interesting but the content seems to mostly be about the reaction of a couple veteran pitchers to one of the veteran catchers being cut.
Will the Sox clean house? Hate to answer a question with a question but is there a reason not to? Why would you keep such an underachieving team together? Of the FAs, I can only think of two (Bogie and Wacha) that you'd prioritize keeping. Then there's a bunch of guys who have been given a lot of run but never really reached their potential and it's time to move on; I mentioned Verdugo, Dalbec, Hosmer, Arroyo in the position player thread, along with a couple of possible sell-high guys in Refsnyder and McGuire.
On the pitching side, I love Nate but each season is a coin flip and that's not going to improve with age, Hill would have to be cheap, Wacha will be more expensive than this year but you have to sign him, and I guess if you think that you're going to be good enough to make a run in 2024 you exercise the Paxton option. Under contract, you've got a mystery 8-ball in Sale and a guy who could be great, okay, or terrible on any given night in Pivetta, so why don't we give the kids the year to show us who will be part of the 2024 rebound (and payroll splurge)?
Obviously, there's a lot of work to do in the bullpen -- probably more than you can fix in one year. Some of the kids who don't stick in the rotation likely end up there (or traded) and maybe you decide that 170 completely unpredictable innings from Pivetta are less valuable than 70-80 high-intensity late innings. Otherwise, you're looking at Schreiber, Houck and pray for complete games (while also praying that Houck figures out how to get lefties out).
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 4, 2022 18:13:34 GMT -5
Moved to a more appropriate thread . I am a wee bit tired of the “ifs and buts” arguments. Where would the Blue Jays be in a division with the Brewers? If the Sox were playing in my old Pony League, they’d be crushing it. But you play the schedule you get… and you know what it is. If the Royals played in a big market, they’d get to spend more on players. If the Marlins didn’t have cheap owners, they could have kept more of their talent. If, if, if… As for this trade, yeah, they saved money, but not enough to make a difference — after wasting money on Diekman. McGuire looks fine. He’ll be serviceable. I’m less impressed by Wong, so they might still need a second catcher, though now it won’t have to be an A-lister. The point of that data was to counter the frequent assertions about how good the team actually has been in terms of talent. Naive people are looking only at the W/L record, ignoring the historic strength of their divisional opponents, ignoring the extraordinary rash of injuries and their timing (e.g., that necessitated the use of four rookie pitchers in the rotation together), ignoring the awful clutch hitting, and ignoring all the players who played hurt and were subpar -- the latter two both responses to the team collapsing because of all the injuries -- and concluding that we were awful and hence have no chance to compete next year. No, in terms of talent they were "really good" (quoting some guy name Cora) and now that they've shed some contracts there's a clear path to be even better.
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Post by manfred on Oct 4, 2022 18:43:02 GMT -5
Moved to a more appropriate thread . I am a wee bit tired of the “ifs and buts” arguments. Where would the Blue Jays be in a division with the Brewers? If the Sox were playing in my old Pony League, they’d be crushing it. But you play the schedule you get… and you know what it is. If the Royals played in a big market, they’d get to spend more on players. If the Marlins didn’t have cheap owners, they could have kept more of their talent. If, if, if… As for this trade, yeah, they saved money, but not enough to make a difference — after wasting money on Diekman. McGuire looks fine. He’ll be serviceable. I’m less impressed by Wong, so they might still need a second catcher, though now it won’t have to be an A-lister. The point of that data was to counter the frequent assertions about how good the team actually has been in terms of talent. Naive people are looking only at the W/L record, ignoring the historic strength of their divisional opponents, ignoring the extraordinary rash of injuries and their timing (e.g., that necessitated the use of four rookie pitchers in the rotation together), ignoring the awful clutch hitting, and ignoring all the players who played hurt and were subpar -- the latter two both responses to the team collapsing because of all the injuries -- and concluding that we were awful and hence have no chance to compete next year. No, in terms of talent they were "really good" (quoting some guy name Cora) and now that they've shed some contracts there's a clear path to be even better.
But that is separate from the balanced schedule, which will presumably boost every AL East team about equally — esp. if, as you say, the Sox were a good team parading as a bad one, because that means the Sox team that got bludgeoned by those AL East teams is still better than most of the teams the Yankees, Jays, Orioles, and Rays will play in their stead. I buy the injuries etc, but the “adjusting” for a balanced schedule ought not suggest they would move ahead of teams getting the same adjustment. I was never on the clean house in the off season side (except in letting guys walk who are walking anyway). Frankly there is not *that* much house to clean. There will be many new faces no matter what.
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