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9/30-10/2 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 27, 2022 8:16:26 GMT -5
9/30 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 10-11, 4.48, 170.2 IP, 168K:67BB) @ Blue Jays (RHP Alek Manoah, 15-7, 2.31, 190.2 IP, 176K:49BB) 7:07 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 10/1 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 2-7, 4.39, 53.1 IP, 51K:25BB) @ Blue Jays (RHP Ross Stripling, 9-4, 3.16, 128.1 IP, 108K:20BB) 3:07 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 10/2 Red Sox (TBD) @ Blue Jays (RHP Kevin Gausman, 12-10, 3.30, 171.2 IP, 201K:28BB) 1:37 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2022: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2022 10:03:12 GMT -5
Red Sox top 6 hitters by wRC+
McGuire - 150 Refsnyder - 149 Almonte - 148 Casas - 144 Devers - 138 Bogaerts - 134
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Post by billw on Sept 30, 2022 15:49:12 GMT -5
if the goal of this team is to be the next Tampa Bay, please take note that Tampa is 11 games behind the MFY
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Post by benzinger on Sept 30, 2022 15:57:08 GMT -5
Is it fair to refer to Trevor Story as “expensive Christian Arroyo”, or is that out-of-bounds?
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 30, 2022 16:08:36 GMT -5
Is it fair to refer to Trevor Story as “expensive Christian Arroyo”, or is that out-of-bounds? thats absurd. his injury was because he got hit by a pitch in the wrist... not something of his own doing..
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 30, 2022 16:48:29 GMT -5
Is it fair to refer to Trevor Story as “expensive Christian Arroyo”, or is that out-of-bounds? Is it fair to refer to this post as the dumbest thing I've read all day, or is that out-of-bounds? Trevor Story has put up more WAR in an setback plagued half season than Arroyo has collectively in his entire career.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 30, 2022 17:11:22 GMT -5
Is it fair to refer to Trevor Story as “expensive Christian Arroyo”, or is that out-of-bounds? Is it fair to refer to this post as the dumbest thing I've read all day, or is that out-of-bounds? Trevor Story has put up more WAR in an setback plagued half season than Arroyo has collectively in his entire career. Well it was really just a joke. Arroyo isn’t much more than a bench guy anyway. But it IS incredibly disappointing that Story missed almost half the season with his assorted maladies in the first year of his contract.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2022 17:22:54 GMT -5
Is it fair to refer to Trevor Story as “expensive Christian Arroyo”, or is that out-of-bounds? Is it fair to refer to this post as the dumbest thing I've read all day, or is that out-of-bounds? Trevor Story has put up more WAR in an setback plagued half season than Arroyo has collectively in his entire career. It's kind of striking comparison, in some ways, though not for the reason benzinger thinks:
| PAs
| OPS | wOBA | xwOBA | wRC+ | DRS at 2B
| OAA at 2B
| fWAR
| bWAR
| Story | 396
| .737 | .316 | .301 | 100
| +6 in 813 innings
| +10 in 813 innings
| 2.4
| 2.5
| Arroyo
| 280
| .735
| .318
| .332
| 101
| +5 in 263 innings
| +1 in 263 innings
| 0.3
| 0.7
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The offensive lines are uncannily similar, even giving Arroyo the edge in expected stats. The 2B defense has been very good for both, even giving Arroyo the edge by DRS on a rate basis. There are two reasons for the huge divergence in WAR:
- more PAs for Story - Arroyo gets creamed for abysmal defensive numbers at non-2B positions, especially RF; by all rights he should be easily above 1 WAR
The other difference, of course, is that even setting aside the health issue, Arroyo is having a good year by his standards and Story is having a down year. So it's not like you should expect comparable performance out of those two going forward.
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Post by cheers on Sept 30, 2022 17:24:44 GMT -5
Ugh. Duran is leading off, playing CF. These are two things I didn't want to see again in 2022...
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Post by cheers on Sept 30, 2022 17:32:13 GMT -5
Is it fair to refer to this post as the dumbest thing I've read all day, or is that out-of-bounds? Trevor Story has put up more WAR in an setback plagued half season than Arroyo has collectively in his entire career. It's kind of striking comparison, in some ways, though not for the reason benzinger thinks:
| PAs
| OPS | wOBA | xwOBA | wRC+ | DRS at 2B
| OAA at 2B
| fWAR
| bWAR
| Story | 396
| .737 | .316 | .301 | 100
| +6 in 813 innings
| +10 in 813 innings
| 2.4
| 2.5
| Arroyo
| 280
| .735
| .318
| .332
| 101
| +5 in 263 innings
| +1 in 263 innings
| 0.3
| 0.7
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The offensive lines are uncannily similar, even giving Arroyo the edge in expected stats. The 2B defense has been very good for both, even giving Arroyo the edge by DRS on a rate basis. There are two reasons for the huge divergence in WAR:
- more PAs for Story - Arroyo gets creamed for abysmal defensive numbers at non-2B positions, especially RF; by all rights he should be easily above 1 WAR
The other difference, of course, is that even setting aside the health issue, Arroyo is having a good year by his standards and Story is having a down year. So it's not like you should expect comparable performance out of those two going forward.
Nice. I was working on finding a way to articulate that Benzinger wasn't completely off the rails with his assertion. You did a more thorough job than I was going to. Also worthy of note: Story's career away (non-Coors) splits? OPS .739. We don't have NEARLY enough data to know if his numbers this year are a down year or not... Hopefully he'll be healthy/not cursed in 2023 so we can find out.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2022 17:45:08 GMT -5
Well if Story puts up a .739 away OPS with the Red Sox he'll be sitting pretty because he ought to do just fine in Fenway.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2022 18:14:04 GMT -5
Well, two bad things already - just tuned in. Mazz (makes my ears bleed and brain go numb), and Duran. Ugh.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2022 18:26:29 GMT -5
Well, two bad things already - just tuned in. Mazz (makes my ears bleed and brain go numb), and Duran. Ugh. Well the game may be meaningless, and the announcing may grate, but at least it's an ugly setting for a baseball game.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2022 18:30:28 GMT -5
When's the last time the Red Sox got a triple play? Feels like it's been a while.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 30, 2022 18:36:29 GMT -5
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Post by station13 on Sept 30, 2022 18:43:55 GMT -5
Cora is putting anyone at lead off to see if they could do it.
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Post by station13 on Sept 30, 2022 18:45:09 GMT -5
BTW where is Franchy?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 30, 2022 18:46:21 GMT -5
60-day IL with the ankle injury
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Post by benzinger on Sept 30, 2022 18:56:50 GMT -5
Is it fair to refer to this post as the dumbest thing I've read all day, or is that out-of-bounds? Trevor Story has put up more WAR in an setback plagued half season than Arroyo has collectively in his entire career. It's kind of striking comparison, in some ways, though not for the reason benzinger thinks:
| PAs
| OPS | wOBA | xwOBA | wRC+ | DRS at 2B
| OAA at 2B
| fWAR
| bWAR
| Story | 396
| .737 | .316 | .301 | 100
| +6 in 813 innings
| +10 in 813 innings
| 2.4
| 2.5
| Arroyo
| 280
| .735
| .318
| .332
| 101
| +5 in 263 innings
| +1 in 263 innings
| 0.3
| 0.7
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The offensive lines are uncannily similar, even giving Arroyo the edge in expected stats. The 2B defense has been very good for both, even giving Arroyo the edge by DRS on a rate basis. There are two reasons for the huge divergence in WAR:
- more PAs for Story - Arroyo gets creamed for abysmal defensive numbers at non-2B positions, especially RF; by all rights he should be easily above 1 WAR
The other difference, of course, is that even setting aside the health issue, Arroyo is having a good year by his standards and Story is having a down year. So it's not like you should expect comparable performance out of those two going forward.
That’s crazy. My comparison was more based on their inability to stay on the field than it was about their respective talent level. But their numbers are much more similar than I would have expected.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 30, 2022 19:16:17 GMT -5
Pivetta is just bad now
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2022 19:20:05 GMT -5
Nick is cooked. Let the pen finish this.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 30, 2022 19:20:11 GMT -5
Feels like Toronto has dominated the series this year.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 30, 2022 19:21:58 GMT -5
Welp, Minny is winning by 3. Closing in on pick #13
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 30, 2022 20:01:52 GMT -5
Interesting comparison but Surprised not to see any mention of AAV.
Arroyo 1.2 Story 23.6
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 30, 2022 20:06:53 GMT -5
Feels like Toronto has dominated the series this year. Toranto has! They have won 13 of 16 games.
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