bigmarty58
Rookie
2011 Pancreatic Cancer Survivor - One of the lucky ones
Posts: 162
|
Post by bigmarty58 on Oct 23, 2022 9:35:34 GMT -5
This winter the red sox are faced with the decision on what to do with Rafael Devers. Bloom can do one of four scenarios;
1. Sign him to a big contract - I don't see the red sox willing to spend on a long term big contract
2. Play out the year and comp him - Could happen
3. Trade him at the deadline - Could happen
4. Trade him in this off season - Could happen
Right now the more likely scenario is that the red sox have Devers play out the year and either trade him at the deadline or comp him. Both scenarios leaving the team with less return for the future than if they trade him this offseason. For this reason trading Devers this winter is the best scenario. The biggest need now and going forward for this team is starting pitching. The red sox prospect pool of starting pitching is not all that strong and if you want to set the team up for the future trading for a 2-3 starter is key. The red sox have Sale and Bello after that it trails off considerably. This past season most games were out of reach by the 5th inning. Trading Devers for controllable starting pitching is what Bloom needs to pull off. A trade with the Marlin's for right hander Pablo Lopez and left hander Jesus Luzardo is one scenario where you are getting two young arms that are both under control for 2-4 years. Acquiring controllable starting pitchers then allows Bloom to sign a big bat in the outfield and either pay Xander or sign one of the exceptional free agent ss.
Trading Devers will never be popular but if you take a step back and ask yourself other than trading high prospects how else can this team acquire the pitching that it needs to once again compete with the big lineups in the AL East.
|
|
|
Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 23, 2022 9:57:27 GMT -5
The Marlins would have no incentive to trade 2 controllable SP for a 3rd baseman on an expiring deal. This makes them a worse team for the coming season, and then they'd be forced to pay $300+ to Devers going forward. Also, that's a huge overpay for Miami tradewise
|
|
bigmarty58
Rookie
2011 Pancreatic Cancer Survivor - One of the lucky ones
Posts: 162
|
Post by bigmarty58 on Oct 23, 2022 11:18:50 GMT -5
Hoping to get the trade proposals going, what say you?
|
|
|
Post by bosoxnation on Oct 23, 2022 23:55:16 GMT -5
I would offer him 260x10. If he wants over 300 then i’m listening to all offers. What’s best for this team is to keep him. Resign X and Devers and build around them. Trading a young player like Devers for prospects would be a major setback. We’re not Houston or Dodgers that bring up stud after stud. I think we should go try to resign him long term. If there’s a deal out there that makes sense and he wants 310+ mill. Then you take it but there’s not many teams,if any, that are going to part with great pieces for 1 year of a player and pay a big price to sign him. We just need to lock him in but right now that’s not our main focus. Bogaerts should be.
|
|
|
Post by ccoll33 on Oct 27, 2022 10:08:06 GMT -5
I would offer him 260x10. If he wants over 300 then i’m listening to all offers. What’s best for this team is to keep him. Resign X and Devers and build around them. Trading a young player like Devers for prospects would be a major setback. We’re not Houston or Dodgers that bring up stud after stud. I think we should go try to resign him long term. If there’s a deal out there that makes sense and he wants 310+ mill. Then you take it but there’s not many teams,if any, that are going to part with great pieces for 1 year of a player and pay a big price to sign him. We just need to lock him in but right now that’s not our main focus. Bogaerts should be.think the red sox I know because of Devers comments and news coming out of his camp a ten year 250 million+ deal seems to be needed but he is not worth that. He has shown injury concerns and poor decision making a third that proves to the red sox that he can be anything other then a DH. I see him getting a riley contact who has posted over a 6 war the last two seasons while devers posted a 3.5 and a 4.4. You can make a strong argument that riley is better then Devers so paying a player 50 million more then his comp does not make sense. That is why I see a 7 year 190 million dollar contact the most realistic. This would give him less money then riley but a higher aav thus not putting as much risk on the red sox.
|
|
bigmarty58
Rookie
2011 Pancreatic Cancer Survivor - One of the lucky ones
Posts: 162
|
Post by bigmarty58 on Dec 11, 2022 9:43:20 GMT -5
Now how the offseason has gone the way it has, what will the Red Sox do with Rafael Devers?
1. Sign him to a big contract
2. Play out the year and comp
3. Trade him at the deadline
4. Trade him in this off season
My guess is the Red Sox will do 3. Trade him at the deadline.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 11, 2022 9:47:14 GMT -5
Now how the offseason has gone the way it has, what will the Red Sox do with Rafael Devers? 1. Sign him to a big contract 2. Play out the year and comp 3. Trade him at the deadline 4. Trade him in this off season My guess is the Red Sox will do 3. Trade him at the deadline. I'll guess 2. The Sox might be within a few games of .500 bu July but will be within 5 games of the playoff so the fangraphs odds will say 30% so they can't sell, so Devers will play out the season and walk away for little. At his point the Sox should probably be talking to the Mets. The last thing I want to see is Devers in a Yankee uniform.
|
|
|
Post by blizzards39 on Dec 11, 2022 9:59:37 GMT -5
His value is down noe that he has only 1 years left. I do think there is a chance that the SOX sign him but i also think 10/260 isnt near close enough. If he has a good year think 12/360
|
|
|
Post by melvinhoggs on Dec 11, 2022 11:59:30 GMT -5
I would offer him 260x10. If he wants over 300 then i’m listening to all offers. What’s best for this team is to keep him. Resign X and Devers and build around them. Trading a young player like Devers for prospects would be a major setback. We’re not Houston or Dodgers that bring up stud after stud. I think we should go try to resign him long term. If there’s a deal out there that makes sense and he wants 310+ mill. Then you take it but there’s not many teams,if any, that are going to part with great pieces for 1 year of a player and pay a big price to sign him. We just need to lock him in but right now that’s not our main focus. Bogaerts should be.think the red sox I know because of Devers comments and news coming out of his camp a ten year 250 million+ deal seems to be needed but he is not worth that. He has shown injury concerns and poor decision making a third that proves to the red sox that he can be anything other then a DH. I see him getting a riley contact who has posted over a 6 war the last two seasons while devers posted a 3.5 and a 4.4. You can make a strong argument that riley is better then Devers so paying a player 50 million more then his comp does not make sense. That is why I see a 7 year 190 million dollar contact the most realistic. This would give him less money then riley but a higher aav thus not putting as much risk on the red sox. If 7/190 is your maximum, I hope you're fully prepared to let Devers walk away just like Bogaerts. Devers is closer to free agency than when Riley signed his extension and he's going to hit the market at 27, giving him plenty of prime years to buy out compared to most 30+ free agents like we're seeing this offseason (who are still getting huge deals). People thought Bogaerts's defense would limit his contract, too – and look what he got. It's fine if you don't want to commit more than that, but you are absolutely 100% not retaining him for that price. Edit: I guess I can weigh in on the OP, too. 2, 1, 3, 4 in order of likeliness with a pretty big gap between 2 and 1. I don't see the Red Sox being quite bad enough in the first half to justify a trade mid-season and I think there would be rioting in the streets if he was traded now. If they come to their senses and sign Correa to a massive deal, I could see the likelihood of option 1 dropping down.
|
|
|
Post by bellhorndingers21 on Dec 11, 2022 13:15:31 GMT -5
Sign Correa and trade Devers to either the Dodgers, Rangers or Mets for their young 3B (Jung, Baty or Vargas). Infield set for at least 3 years and we don't have to go through this mess again next winter.
|
|
|
Post by xdmo on Dec 11, 2022 13:30:53 GMT -5
If I'm the Sox and I can't get a extension done through spring training, then yeah I'm trading Devers regrettably.
The Sox are treading water roster wise and it doesn't make sense to keep him here.
There's not much you can do here. Losing Devers for a comp pick is worst case scenario.
|
|
|
Post by foreverred9 on Dec 11, 2022 14:40:54 GMT -5
It's really unfathomable to think that we're staring at a realistic likelihood of having none of Betts, Xander, Devers, and to a lesser extent, Benintendi in 2024. Sitting here 3 years ago we accepted the Betts trade because we knew we couldn't sign all three, but I suspect the consensus opinion was that we could keep 2 of 3 and would have been disappointed if we could only sign 1.
|
|
|
Post by bellhorndingers21 on Dec 11, 2022 14:48:17 GMT -5
It's really unfathomable to think that we're staring at a realistic likelihood of having none of Betts, Xander, Devers, and to a lesser extent, Benintendi in 2024. Sitting here 3 years ago we accepted the Betts trade because we knew we couldn't sign all three, but I suspect the consensus opinion was that we could keep 2 of 3 and would have been disappointed if we could only sign 1. It's frustrating that if Devers goes the Xander route that those core players only yielded Verdugo, Winckowski, Wong, Downs and a couple of draft picks. Tampa has gotten pretty good at ensuring decent returns for players they know they won't retain and I thought Bloom would bring that here. This makes me think ownership is more involved then we know.
|
|
|
Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 12, 2022 9:39:59 GMT -5
It's really unfathomable to think that we're staring at a realistic likelihood of having none of Betts, Xander, Devers, and to a lesser extent, Benintendi in 2024. Sitting here 3 years ago we accepted the Betts trade because we knew we couldn't sign all three, but I suspect the consensus opinion was that we could keep 2 of 3 and would have been disappointed if we could only sign 1. It's frustrating that if Devers goes the Xander route that those core players only yielded Verdugo, Winckowski, Wong, Downs and a couple of draft picks. Tampa has gotten pretty good at ensuring decent returns for players they know they won't retain and I thought Bloom would bring that here. This makes me think ownership is more involved then we know. Has TB ever moved one of their premier guys in the last year of their deals? Both Longoria and Snell were moved when they were only long-term, inexpensive contracts.
|
|
|
Post by costpet on Dec 12, 2022 11:25:26 GMT -5
I maintain that keeping Devers is the best way to go, both short term and long term. I see him at 3B for 4 years, 1B for 3 years, then 2 at DH. He will take a 10/300 and we will have a top hitter for the next 10 years. If we lose him for any reason, the team is far weaker. Why anyone would want to lose him is beyond me. Losing Betts was understandable, losing X for a big time 11 year contract was also understandable. But, losing a top player who will be only 26 next year is not understandable. Stop with the trade talk, just sign him for the next 10 years.
|
|
|
Post by pokeyreesespieces12 on Dec 12, 2022 20:19:01 GMT -5
Devers will be 27 for the entire first year of his next contract. If I'm him I'm not even picking up the phone for less than 13/390
|
|
|
Post by costpet on Dec 12, 2022 21:58:39 GMT -5
Nobody is paying him that kind of money.
|
|
|
Post by stunzisox on Dec 13, 2022 0:34:00 GMT -5
Nobody is paying him that kind of money. Xander Bogaerts at 30 years old playing mediocre defense says hello.
|
|
|
Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Dec 13, 2022 7:32:30 GMT -5
Nobody is paying him that kind of money. According to Marino Pepén it’s alleged that Devers is seeking 12/360 after seeing Xanders deal.
|
|
|
Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Dec 13, 2022 7:33:44 GMT -5
Nobody is paying him that kind of money. According to Marino Pepén it’s alleged that Devers is seeking 12/360 after seeing Xanders deal. and someone will pay him that money. If the last 3 years have proven anything teams got money and lookin to spend it crazy. Devers if he has another great year 100% he’ll get that money. Red Sox better be ready to pony up
|
|
|
Post by notstarboard on Dec 14, 2022 11:02:29 GMT -5
According to Marino Pepén it’s alleged that Devers is seeking 12/360 after seeing Xanders deal. and someone will pay him that money. If the last 3 years have proven anything teams got money and lookin to spend it crazy. Devers if he has another great year 100% he’ll get that money. Red Sox better be ready to pony upRed Sox better be ready to trade him this offseason, because that contract looks terrible.
|
|
|
Post by notstarboard on Dec 14, 2022 11:04:56 GMT -5
Nobody is paying him that kind of money. Xander Bogaerts at 30 years old playing mediocre defense says hello. On the one hand, fair, one the other hand, most free agents, even good ones, don't get overpaid to that extent. So far X's deal looks like the ugliest one of the entire offseason.
|
|
ematz1423
Veteran
Posts: 5,297
Member is Online
|
Post by ematz1423 on Dec 15, 2022 12:12:33 GMT -5
Red Sox better be ready to trade him this offseason, because that contract looks terrible. Have to wonder what the Mets would give for him. To get out in front of it… Not Alvarez because he’s 1) an assumed star and too good for one year of anybody and 2) will be their catcher this year. But if you could swing a package like Baty, Parada, and Ramirez, you are potentially filling some major holes (3B, C, CF/RF). Baty would get his audition at 3B this year, Parada is known as a polished college hitter but will likely need a couple years defensively if he’s going to stick at C, and Ramirez is a tools over production ceiling play. That’s a huge return, but I could see the Mets ponying up for the chance to win a WS.Wouldn't surprise me, give them a window to negotiate a deal with Devers so they have a chance to jump the line next year. Honestly for all the Mets moves this offseason you can make a case that overall they really haven't improved the ML team. Verlander just replaces De Grom, Senga just replaces Bassit, Quintanna just replaces Walker. Robertson is a solid bullpen arm but not going to really push the pendulum for them. They're an old team as well so if we see some regression from Scherzer, Verlander, Marte, Canha etc. it wouldn't be surprising so really if you wanted to you could make a case there's a fair chance that their roster is worse next year than it was at the end of this year. I think the Mets may have one more big move left in them.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,735
Member is Online
|
Post by nomar on Dec 15, 2022 12:15:56 GMT -5
Have to wonder what the Mets would give for him. To get out in front of it… Not Alvarez because he’s 1) an assumed star and too good for one year of anybody and 2) will be their catcher this year. But if you could swing a package like Baty, Parada, and Ramirez, you are potentially filling some major holes (3B, C, CF/RF). Baty would get his audition at 3B this year, Parada is known as a polished college hitter but will likely need a couple years defensively if he’s going to stick at C, and Ramirez is a tools over production ceiling play. That’s a huge return, but I could see the Mets ponying up for the chance to win a WS.Wouldn't surprise me, give them a window to negotiate a deal with Devers so they have a chance to jump the line next year. Honestly for all the Mets moves this offseason you can make a case that overall they really haven't improved the ML team. Verlander just replaces De Grom, Senga just replaces Bassit, Quintanna just replaces Walker. Robertson is a solid bullpen arm but not going to really push the pendulum for them. They're an old team as well so if we see some regression from Scherzer, Verlander, Marte, Canha etc. it wouldn't be surprising so really if you wanted to you could make a case they're a fair chance they're roster is worse next year than it was at the end of this year. I think the Mets may have one more big move left in them. Yeah I think that deal would probably be contingent on some sort of negotiation with Devers and other sweeteners on our end. Totally agree though. A lot of spending for not much improvement so far
|
|
|
Post by pokeyreesespieces12 on Dec 19, 2022 23:24:15 GMT -5
Maybe they can pull another Mookie and sell Devers for Chris Sale salary relief
|
|