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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 19, 2022 23:34:00 GMT -5
Whatever they do, please do not let Devers reach free agency and sign with the Yankees. The thought of him back to back with Judge is a terrifying thought.
Trade him to the Mets for Baty plus other top prospects. I'd want Alvarez but the Mets aren't trading him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 20, 2022 7:15:36 GMT -5
Theres a couple of teams that make sense. They need at least two top prospects in return. Mets and Rangers are certainly the pole sitters right now. Texas has Jung and Leiter, who would fill needs in the organization. The Phillies have Painter and Bohm, which would be an okay return. The DBacks have a bunch of intriguing prospects, but I doubt they'll trade any of those for a rental. The Padres and Dodgers? Can the fan base handle a trade to either one of those two places?
Obviously, the main teams to engage in a trade are Texas and NYM.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 20, 2022 7:40:48 GMT -5
Theres a couple of teams that make sense. They need at least two top prospects in return. Mets and Rangers are certainly the pole sitters right now. Texas has Jung and Leiter, who would fill needs in the organization. The Phillies have Painter and Bohm, which would be an okay return. The DBacks have a bunch of intriguing prospects, but I doubt they'll trade any of those for a rental. The Padres and Dodgers? Can the fan base handle a trade to either one of those two places? Obviously, the main teams to engage in a trade are Texas and NYM. Not sure I'm really buying Texas as a team who would want to trade viable prospects for a rental in Devers and considering how much they already have locked in to long term deals I'm not sure how much more money they would have left in the coffers to retain Devers. Texas to me is a team that has gone out and paid the big bucks for several guys now and might have to offset that with young prospects like Jung. Not saying there is no chance but just saying personally I don't see them as all that viable. Also Leiter was not good last year, I do still like his pedigree but I'd be hesitant to take him back as a headliner for Devers. If it was Jung and Leiter perhaps but I guess I'm not sold on Leiter right now. |
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Post by thankumrboggs on Dec 20, 2022 7:48:39 GMT -5
Theres a couple of teams that make sense. They need at least two top prospects in return. Mets and Rangers are certainly the pole sitters right now. Texas has Jung and Leiter, who would fill needs in the organization. The Phillies have Painter and Bohm, which would be an okay return. The DBacks have a bunch of intriguing prospects, but I doubt they'll trade any of those for a rental. The Padres and Dodgers? Can the fan base handle a trade to either one of those two places? Obviously, the main teams to engage in a trade are Texas and NYM. Not sure I'm really buying Texas as a team who would want to trade viable prospects for a rental in Devers and considering how much they already have locked in to long term deals I'm not sure how much more money they would have left in the coffers to retain Devers. Texas to me is a team that has gone out and paid the big bucks for several guys now and might have to offset that with young prospects like Jung. Not saying there is no chance but just saying personally I don't see them as all that viable. Also Leiter was not good last year, I do still like his pedigree but I'd be hesitant to take him back as a headliner for Devers. If it was Jung and Leiter perhaps but I guess I'm not sold on Leiter right now. How about they keep both Jung and Leiter and we start looking at the overall prospect picture. Brock Porter, Owen White and Cole Winn for Devers seems like a good haul and I think we get a mix of pitchers ready for now and Porter could turn into something special. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 20, 2022 8:41:20 GMT -5
Not sure I'm really buying Texas as a team who would want to trade viable prospects for a rental in Devers and considering how much they already have locked in to long term deals I'm not sure how much more money they would have left in the coffers to retain Devers. Texas to me is a team that has gone out and paid the big bucks for several guys now and might have to offset that with young prospects like Jung. Not saying there is no chance but just saying personally I don't see them as all that viable. Also Leiter was not good last year, I do still like his pedigree but I'd be hesitant to take him back as a headliner for Devers. If it was Jung and Leiter perhaps but I guess I'm not sold on Leiter right now. How about they keep both Jung and Leiter and we start looking at the overall prospect picture. Brock Porter, Owen White and Cole Winn for Devers seems like a good haul and I think we get a mix of pitchers ready for now and Porter could turn into something special. No offense but that seems like a terrible return for Devers. Three wildcard pitchers for a bat like Devers isn't enough, if they do trade Devers it had better include at least one ML ready player. |
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Post by pokeyreesespieces12 on Dec 20, 2022 8:48:46 GMT -5
How about they keep both Jung and Leiter and we start looking at the overall prospect picture. Brock Porter, Owen White and Cole Winn for Devers seems like a good haul and I think we get a mix of pitchers ready for now and Porter could turn into something special. No offense but that seems like a terrible return for Devers. Three wildcard pitchers for a bat like Devers isn't enough, if they do trade Devers it had better include at least one ML ready player. Like a Verdugo? |
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Post by thankumrboggs on Dec 20, 2022 9:11:00 GMT -5
How about they keep both Jung and Leiter and we start looking at the overall prospect picture. Brock Porter, Owen White and Cole Winn for Devers seems like a good haul and I think we get a mix of pitchers ready for now and Porter could turn into something special. No offense but that seems like a terrible return for Devers. Three wildcard pitchers for a bat like Devers isn't enough, if they do trade Devers it had better include at least one ML ready player. Why does that seem like a bad return? Did you look at the stats? I think two power arms that could be #2/3 starters and a prospect who could be an ace. Let's talk Verdugo and the trade; a bat that had exemplified a 20 hr bat and average defense,a guy who never hit above A ball and a catcher who was the 4th best catcher in THEIR farm system for a guy who played a good position and was MVP caliber every year in all 5 categories. Devers is a great BAT only and is looking for 300 million contract. What do you think we are looking at? Owen white is ML ready more than Jack Leiter [think Carson fulmeresque] Jack Leiter, Owen White and Brock Porter for Devers but I have hesitation about Leiter |
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 20, 2022 9:21:13 GMT -5
No offense but that seems like a terrible return for Devers. Three wildcard pitchers for a bat like Devers isn't enough, if they do trade Devers it had better include at least one ML ready player. Why does that seem like a bad return? Did you look at the stats? I think two power arms that could be #2/3 starters and a prospect who could be an ace. Let's talk Verdugo and the trade; a bat that had exemplified a 20 hr bat and average defense,a guy who never hit above A ball and a catcher who was the 4th best catcher in THEIR farm system for a guy who played a good position and was MVP caliber every year in all 5 categories. Devers is a great BAT only and is looking for 300 million contract. What do you think we are looking at? Owen white is ML ready more than Jack Leiter [think Carson fulmeresque] Jack Leiter, Owen White and Brock Porter for Devers but I have hesitation about Leiter Owen White has pitched a total of 21 innings at Double A. He had good numbers there in 3 games but since 2021 he has 114 total professional innings. Porter hasn't pitched in a professional game at all but was drafted in the 4th round last year but got a 3.7M bonus so he's obviously not your run of the mill 4th rounder. I'm not rehashing all of the Mookie deal again but in all honesty I'd be perfectly fine to get someone similar to an Alex Verdugo at the time of the trade. Verdugo hasn't progressed the way we hoped but he was a guaranteed ML talent who at that time had plenty of upside. That is the type of guy I'd want as the headliner in any Devers deal. Not 3 pitchers who haven't pitched above double A. |
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Post by costpet on Dec 20, 2022 11:28:12 GMT -5
Why on earth would you want to trade Devers? Give him a 10/30 and be done with it. He's only 26 next year. What is the problem? If they wait, his price will only go up and we will lose him for nothing. The Sox said they were prioritizing X and where did that get them? They need to get serious about Devers and stop BSing around.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 20, 2022 11:44:25 GMT -5
Why on earth would you want to trade Devers? Give him a 10/30 and be done with it. He's only 26 next year. What is the problem? If they wait, his price will only go up and we will lose him for nothing. The Sox said they were prioritizing X and where did that get them? They need to get serious about Devers and stop BSing around. He'll get more than that. 12 years 360 million is probably more like it. That said, I agree. Sign him. If they're not serious then they better get some great young talent in a trade. I prefer they sign him. |
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Post by costpet on Dec 20, 2022 12:21:49 GMT -5
He'll only be 36 at the end of his 10/30. If he can still hit, he could easily get another 4/100 from someone. In 10 years the prices might even be higher. Think about the prices 10 years ago compared to now. 40 per year might get you a decent UT in the future.
The Sox keep shooting themselves in the foot. You would think "lesson learned", but so far not.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 20, 2022 12:28:26 GMT -5
Perhaps im wrong but I suspect with Devers that if 10/300 would get it done it'd have been done by now.
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Post by terriblehondo on Dec 20, 2022 12:51:03 GMT -5
I don't believe ownership will pony up the money or years it is going to take to keep him. So no screwing around offer him what you are willing to pay not what you want to pay if he doesn't take it move him. See what Bloom can get for him it surely will be better than a draft pick and probably closer to the Majors. The rentals at the trade deadlines have not been getting much of a return. So if they are going to lose him trade him now.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 20, 2022 13:10:47 GMT -5
Why on earth would you want to trade Devers? Give him a 10/30 and be done with it. He's only 26 next year. What is the problem? If they wait, his price will only go up and we will lose him for nothing. The Sox said they were prioritizing X and where did that get them? They need to get serious about Devers and stop BSing around. Because we're realistic. They aren't going to give him what he wants. If they were, they'd have done it right after losing Xander. He just saw what happened with Judge so there's no incentive to sign now unless you get top dollar. Boston is also no longer a contender so why would you take less to be on the East Coast version of the Angels for the next decade? In a perfect world you pay Devers whatever is necessary to keep him. In reality? He's wearing a different uniform by Christmas 2023. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 20, 2022 13:16:01 GMT -5
Why on earth would you want to trade Devers? Give him a 10/30 and be done with it. He's only 26 next year. What is the problem? If they wait, his price will only go up and we will lose him for nothing. The Sox said they were prioritizing X and where did that get them? They need to get serious about Devers and stop BSing around. Because we're realistic. They aren't going to give him what he wants. If they were, they'd have done it right after losing Xander. He just saw what happened with Judge so there's no incentive to sign now unless you get top dollar. Boston is also no longer a contender so why would you take less to be on the East Coast version of the Angels for the next decade? In a perfect world you pay Devers whatever is necessary to keep him. In reality? He's wearing a different uniform by Christmas 2023. To call the Red Sox the east coast version of the Angels is ridiculous. The Angels are where they are right now because they didn't put any money into scouting and development and instead gave out huge contracts to guys like Pujols and Rendon which isn't comparable at all to what the Red Sox philosophy has been. For better or for worse that is the exact opposite of what the Red Sox have been doing since Bloom took over. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 20, 2022 16:12:26 GMT -5
Because we're realistic. They aren't going to give him what he wants. If they were, they'd have done it right after losing Xander. He just saw what happened with Judge so there's no incentive to sign now unless you get top dollar. Boston is also no longer a contender so why would you take less to be on the East Coast version of the Angels for the next decade? In a perfect world you pay Devers whatever is necessary to keep him. In reality? He's wearing a different uniform by Christmas 2023. To call the Red Sox the east coast version of the Angels is ridiculous. The Angels are where they are right now because they didn't put any money into scouting and development and instead gave out huge contracts to guys like Pujols and Rendon which isn't comparable at all to what the Red Sox philosophy has been. For better or for worse that is the exact opposite of what the Red Sox have been doing since Bloom took over. No, it's pretty accurate. Team spending over 200 million with a huge uphill battle to make the playoffs. They are the Angels. I'm talking about the Major League roster. But it could end up being true overall if they don't smarten up and sign the right players long term. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 20, 2022 16:18:40 GMT -5
To call the Red Sox the east coast version of the Angels is ridiculous. The Angels are where they are right now because they didn't put any money into scouting and development and instead gave out huge contracts to guys like Pujols and Rendon which isn't comparable at all to what the Red Sox philosophy has been. For better or for worse that is the exact opposite of what the Red Sox have been doing since Bloom took over. No, it's pretty accurate. Team spending over 200 million with a huge uphill battle to make the playoffs. They are the Angels. I'm talking about the Major League roster. But it could end up being true overall if they don't smarten up and sign the right players long term. No it's not accurate at all and it's ridiculous. The Angels haven't had a winning record since 2015, haven't made the playoffs since 2014 and they haven't won a single playoff game since 2009. So I'm sorry but it's a terrible comparison. |
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Post by bosox904 on Dec 20, 2022 16:33:00 GMT -5
I didn't read all the comments so not sure this was thrown out there and I'm not necessarily interested in trading Devers at all, but did think of a scenario for trading him. What if the Sox paid a large portion of his contract to open up trades to teams that may not want his salary, but could certainly use his bat? Seattle comes. I highly doubt they could get Harry Ford. But something with Emerson Hancock and Bryce Miller. I thought about Milwaukee, but almost 0% chance they would move Chourio or Frelick would be my guess and Wiemer doesn't exited me. Any ither teams? Twins maybe?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 20, 2022 16:36:34 GMT -5
I didn't read all the comments so not sure this was thrown out there and I'm not necessarily interested in trading Devers at all, but did think of a scenario for trading him. What if the Sox paid a large portion of his contract to open up trades to teams that may not want his salary, but could certainly use his bat? Seattle comes. I highly doubt they could get Harry Ford. But something with Emerson Hancock and Bryce Miller. I thought about Milwaukee, but almost 0% chance they would move Chourio or Frelick would be my guess and Wiemer doesn't exited me. Any ither teams? Twins maybe? Lol, Chaim will let you make the announcement that not only are they trading Devers, but they're also paying his salary. I recommend a bulletproof vest like the one Bush wore when he through out the first pitch in the World Series following 9/11 |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 20, 2022 19:17:16 GMT -5
I didn't read all the comments so not sure this was thrown out there and I'm not necessarily interested in trading Devers at all, but did think of a scenario for trading him. What if the Sox paid a large portion of his contract to open up trades to teams that may not want his salary, but could certainly use his bat? Seattle comes. I highly doubt they could get Harry Ford. But something with Emerson Hancock and Bryce Miller. I thought about Milwaukee, but almost 0% chance they would move Chourio or Frelick would be my guess and Wiemer doesn't exited me. Any ither teams? Twins maybe? I could see Milwaukee and Seattle as teams open to a 1 yr rental. Devers could be the difference maker for both that could lead to the deepest post season run. Neither would be likely to have an MLB ready starting pitcher available. Frelick or Wiemer ( Chourio to far away from bigs anyway) would be good pickups to start a package. AA pitcher Taylor Dollard had a great season for Seattle but is ranked lower than 3 others pitchers in the Mariners mlb rankings. Potential is one thing but I believe in results more and that 2022 season for Dollard would make me want him as the package cornerstone. Hopefully, it does not come to this but there are some possibilities for a valuable trade return with a short term rental partner. |
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 20, 2022 20:49:47 GMT -5
I would rather not trade Devers, but if he can not be extended then it probably makes more sense than repeating the Xander saga. I wonder is something like this could make sense:
Mets: Devers
Orioles: Baty, Seabold,
Sox: Mullins, Mateo
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Dec 21, 2022 6:35:52 GMT -5
Could SF be a potential trade partner now for Devers? They were willing to spend big on Correa, so they could sign and extend him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 21, 2022 6:38:33 GMT -5
Could SF be a potential trade partner now for Devers? They were willing to spend big on Correa, so they could sign and extend him. I'm wondering that too, give them a window to negotiate with Devers since they obviously aren't scared to give out a mega deal they were trying just struck out twice. Probably won't happen but I could see them being the best option now. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2022 6:56:09 GMT -5
I would rather not trade Devers, but if he can not be extended then it probably makes more sense than repeating the Xander saga. I wonder is something like this could make sense: Mets: Devers Orioles: Baty, Seabold, Sox: Mullins, Mateo That's really light for the Sox. I'd rather have Baty cheaply over the next six years. Baty's arrow is pointing up Mateo is mediocre and I think Mullins has already had his career year. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2022 6:58:35 GMT -5
Could SF be a potential trade partner now for Devers? They were willing to spend big on Correa, so they could sign and extend him. I'm wondering that too, give them a window to negotiate with Devers since they obviously aren't scared to give out a mega deal they were trying just struck out twice. Probably won't happen but I could see them being the best option now. Do the Giants really have much to offer in return, though? With the Mets you have a solid starting point in Baty. I dont know the Giants system as well, but I dont think it's that good. I'd look at the Mets or Dodgers. Whatever the Sox do, don't let Devers become a Yankee. |
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