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Post by xdmo on Oct 28, 2022 2:25:15 GMT -5
Thought about it on the position player thread, but wanted to talk about it here.
I think there's a slight chance Padres listen in on him. Their payroll is projected over 200 million without making any moves.
Might take a lot, not sure where the Padres see his value. He's a idiot, first and foremost. Has a accident on a motorcycle, it happens. Kind of irresponsible to not put that aside while you're playing, but it isn't egregious. He then juices up to get back quicker after wrist surgery (like as if the league won't be looking at that).
Baseballtradevalues sees him as a overbearing high value trade target. Not sure if I see it that way. He let his teammates down big-time in 2022. They might be in the world series if he even came back clean after surgery.
However, he is immensely talented and any team would probably take him, granted.
He's owed 334 million for 12 years in real money after this year (nearly 1 million will be left out to serve the rest of his suspension).
That's a ton for a team like the Padres, who might be weary of paying that after this past year. Nevermind the injury history he's building up the past 2 years.
He doesn't have a position right now either. -2 OOA in the outfield. 0 DRS in the outfield. -6 OOA at Short Stop. -9 DRS at Short stop. All in his career.
He's owed a little over 24 million AAV for 12 more years.
Unloading all the money might be a big incentive to trade Tatis Jr at this point with all the risk he's starting to build up now. Again, not sure.
Devers and Tatis Jr in the middle of a lineup for 7+ years is fun to think about. The only reason why it's a little enticing.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 28, 2022 4:01:55 GMT -5
No thanks on tatis. Highly questionable character, got popped for PEDs, has a large contract and it's unlikely the Padres give him away. Noway would I want the sox to trade a haul of prospects for someone with his blemishes.
Ultra talented player when he's on the field though so I understand the interest.
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Post by xdmo on Oct 28, 2022 4:32:47 GMT -5
If it took like a Verdugo, Mata, and Yorke package, I'd probably do it.
But again Baseball trade values thinks his money owed is a saving grace and he's undervalued. They don't consider the risk of his injury history/and or lack of position at the moment.
It'll easily reject on that website, but in real life, if the Sox took on the whole contract? Who knows?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 28, 2022 7:53:21 GMT -5
It's easy to forget how dominant of a player Tatis is, and how important he is to the Padres. He is the only guy they've got locked in long-term, and it should take a fortune to get him. Preller is asking for Mayer, Bleis, Casas and more
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 28, 2022 8:03:14 GMT -5
It's easy to forget how dominant of a player Tatis is, and how important he is to the Padres. He is the only guy they've got locked in long-term, and it should take a fortune to get him. Preller is asking for Mayer, Bleis, Casas and more While I don't disagree it would likely cost a haul for Tatis, I don't know that it'd cost that much. It wouldn't surprise me if they've soured on his immaturity and I remember members of the clubhouse straight out ripping on him during the season. I'm sure they want to retain Soto and they don't have the financial resources of a team like the Dodgers. I could see a scenario they take back a reasonable package to rid themselves of Tatis and his contract and pivot that money over to Soto instead. Chances are they don't deal Tatis though but something to keep an eye on anyway. I don't think he's a good fit for the Red Sox though. I disagree with the original poster that he is somehow a positionless player right now. Kim put up 3.7 fWAR this season at SS, Tatis in 2021 put up 7.3 in 130 games, 3.3 in 2020 in 59 games and 3.1 in 2019 in 84 games. Kim's a nice player and all but it'd be stupid of the Padres to go with him over Tatis at SS if you ask me. Looking at it that way makes me think a little bit in regards to the Sox situation at SS/3rd this coming year. To me if the Sox are targeting any Padres SS I'd go after Kim. He probably wouldn't be necessarily cheap either but doubt he'd cost a kings ransom either.
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Post by xdmo on Oct 28, 2022 12:31:59 GMT -5
It's easy to forget how dominant of a player Tatis is, and how important he is to the Padres. He is the only guy they've got locked in long-term, and it should take a fortune to get him. Preller is asking for Mayer, Bleis, Casas and more He just tested positive for steroids. It's also easy to not disregard it and ask yourself if he's ever done it and gotten away with it in the past while being that dominant. They have Machado locked in for a long time and they're basically going all in while they have Soto under control. They're not a rich franchise that can sustain a 200+million dollar payroll. Once Tatis gets past 2023, He's making 20 million a year. That bounces up to 36 million a year for 6 years by 2029.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 28, 2022 12:39:50 GMT -5
It's easy to forget how dominant of a player Tatis is, and how important he is to the Padres. He is the only guy they've got locked in long-term, and it should take a fortune to get him. Preller is asking for Mayer, Bleis, Casas and more He just tested positive for steroids. It's also easy to not disregard it and ask yourself if he's ever done it and gotten away with it in the past while being that dominant. They have Machado locked in for a long time and they're basically going all in while they have Soto under control. They're not a rich franchise that can sustain a 200+million dollar payroll. This is main reason I could see them being interested in moving Tatis for a package that could potentially be lighter than one would think. It would not surprise me at all if they wanted to move Tatis and shift that money over to Soto instead. Not saying it will happen but just a thought since as you point out there is probably a limit to how much money they can spend and for how long. They aren't a Dodgers/Mets/Yankees/Red Sox type of organization with top of the league type of money on hand to spend in perpetuity.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 28, 2022 13:25:32 GMT -5
It's easy to forget how dominant of a player Tatis is, and how important he is to the Padres. He is the only guy they've got locked in long-term, and it should take a fortune to get him. Preller is asking for Mayer, Bleis, Casas and more He just tested positive for steroids. It's also easy to not disregard it and ask yourself if he's ever done it and gotten away with it in the past while being that dominant. They have Machado locked in for a long time and they're basically going all in while they have Soto under control. They're not a rich franchise that can sustain a 200+million dollar payroll. Once Tatis gets past 2023, He's making 20 million a year. That bounces up to 36 million a year for 6 years by 2029. Machado has an opt-out coming up soon, and what if they can't find middle ground with Soto by the time he hits free agency? Now they're left with nobody.
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Post by xdmo on Oct 28, 2022 14:08:36 GMT -5
He just tested positive for steroids. It's also easy to not disregard it and ask yourself if he's ever done it and gotten away with it in the past while being that dominant. They have Machado locked in for a long time and they're basically going all in while they have Soto under control. They're not a rich franchise that can sustain a 200+million dollar payroll. Once Tatis gets past 2023, He's making 20 million a year. That bounces up to 36 million a year for 6 years by 2029. Machado has an opt-out coming up soon, and what if they can't find middle ground with Soto by the time he hits free agency? Now they're left with nobody. Preller isn't thinking about that. He's traded his whole farm for 2022-2024. They want a world series.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 28, 2022 16:21:26 GMT -5
Machado has an opt-out coming up soon, and what if they can't find middle ground with Soto by the time he hits free agency? Now they're left with nobody. Preller isn't thinking about that. He's traded his whole farm for 2022-2024. They want a world series. I think you kinda just blew up your own take haha. If he's going for a world series, in what world does it make sense to trade a top 10 player for Verdugo, and Mata (who knows what he becomes), and Yorke (who knows if he'll ever make the majors)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 28, 2022 17:36:06 GMT -5
If SD were to deal Tatis, the deal is going to start with Mayer and expand from there as you can anticipate at least 2 of Casas, Bello, and Rafaela.
Tatis is a great talent but has too many red flags for the Sox to empty out their system for him.
Besides replacing X and their top prospects with Tatis and little money to fill their other holes, it's simply not worth it. You'd be better off simply signing a marquis free agent.
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Post by xdmo on Oct 28, 2022 19:55:55 GMT -5
Preller isn't thinking about that. He's traded his whole farm for 2022-2024. They want a world series. I think you kinda just blew up your own take haha. If he's going for a world series, in what world does it make sense to trade a top 10 player for Verdugo, and Mata (who knows what he becomes), and Yorke (who knows if he'll ever make the majors) Well not if they don't have the money, which was also another point I made. They're stuck trying to go for it, while being a mid market team.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 28, 2022 22:29:03 GMT -5
I think you kinda just blew up your own take haha. If he's going for a world series, in what world does it make sense to trade a top 10 player for Verdugo, and Mata (who knows what he becomes), and Yorke (who knows if he'll ever make the majors) Well not if they don't have the money, which was also another point I made. They're stuck trying to go for it, while being a mid market team. Huh? They're fine financially to run it back. There's been 0 reports about any issues money wise. You've invented a whole scenario in your head
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Post by xdmo on Oct 28, 2022 23:07:06 GMT -5
Well not if they don't have the money, which was also another point I made. They're stuck trying to go for it, while being a mid market team. Huh? They're fine financially to run it back. There's been 0 reports about any issues money wise. You've invented a whole scenario in your head So small to mid market San Diego is all of a sudden a 200 plus million dollar anual spender. Got it.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 28, 2022 23:38:38 GMT -5
Huh? They're fine financially to run it back. There's been 0 reports about any issues money wise. You've invented a whole scenario in your head So small to mid market San Diego is all of a sudden a 200 plus million dollar anual spender. Got it. Dude you just said that they're World Series or bust, make up your damn mind. Your trades have been absolutely absurd, just video game status
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Post by xdmo on Oct 28, 2022 23:49:14 GMT -5
In short-
The Padres might not want to commit guaranteed money to Tatis Jr anymore because of his immaturity.
The Padres aren't a big market, despite you thinking they're fine.
I told you what I WOULD DO.
What more do you want out of me?
There's 2 other posters here that can see Tatis Jr being shopped on this thread, despite you rejecting that all together, too.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 28, 2022 23:53:25 GMT -5
In short- The Padres might not want to commit guaranteed money to Tatis Jr anymore because of his immaturity. The Padres aren't a big market, despite you thinking they're fine. I told you what I WOULD DO. What more do you want out of me? There's 2 other posters here that can see Tatis Jr being shopped on this thread, despite you rejecting that all together, too. I think the Padres want to see what a trio of Tatis, Soto, and Machado looks like in the lineup. They never had that chance. I dont think they're going to let his immaturity stop this from happening.
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Post by xdmo on Oct 29, 2022 0:00:06 GMT -5
In short- The Padres might not want to commit guaranteed money to Tatis Jr anymore because of his immaturity. The Padres aren't a big market, despite you thinking they're fine. I told you what I WOULD DO. What more do you want out of me? There's 2 other posters here that can see Tatis Jr being shopped on this thread, despite you rejecting that all together, too. I think the Padres want to see what a trio of Tatis, Soto, and Machado looks like in the lineup. They never had that chance. I dont think they're going to let his immaturity stop this from happening. The Padres are a world series contender without him. Getting pieces back, without the risk of Tatis and that contract I think could make the Padres ponder a bit. But fair point. I think they probably keep him and I also think there's teams that won't touch Tatis Jr with the contract attached and now the steroid claim against him. If he's popped 2 more times, he's banned for good.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 29, 2022 0:25:25 GMT -5
I think the Padres want to see what a trio of Tatis, Soto, and Machado looks like in the lineup. They never had that chance. I dont think they're going to let his immaturity stop this from happening. The Padres are a world series contender without him. Getting pieces back, without the risk of Tatis and that contract I think could make the Padres ponder a bit. But fair point. I think they probably keep him and I also think there's teams that won't touch Tatis Jr with the contract attached and now the steroid claim against him. If he's popped 2 more times, he's banned for good. They're a World Series contender without them but they're more of a favorite to go to the Series with Tatis. And the same risks the Padres have keeping him is the same risk and then some given his acquisition cost by a team that would trade for him.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 29, 2022 21:36:59 GMT -5
I’m with xdmo on this, this winter is prob the only chance tatis Jr would ever be available(if he is). If you can get him without emptying the farm I go for it 1,000 times out of 1,000. When else can you get a player this good so young and he’s locked up.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Oct 30, 2022 8:33:47 GMT -5
Tatis for Devers straight up (with the Pads signing Devers to a long term agreement). Would the teams do a trade like this?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 30, 2022 8:42:57 GMT -5
Tatis for Devers straight up (with the Pads signing Devers to a long term agreement). Would the teams do a trade like this? SDP trades the younger, cheaper, more talented player, for an older, more expensive, repetitive position guy?
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Oct 30, 2022 9:15:39 GMT -5
Tatis for Devers straight up (with the Pads signing Devers to a long term agreement). Would the teams do a trade like this? Financial advantage would be for the Sox as Tatis AAV is 22 mil and change. Devers seems headed for higher than that. Padres already have a 3rd baseman in Machado, so they would need to turn Raffy in to a 1B/DH. Assuming Sox extend Zander in this scenario (someone needs to put their arm around the kids shoulder and be his mentor, right ?) , Tatis either plays 3B or maybe even better becomes a RF like Mookie did. Emotional attachment to Raffy aside, this would be a very good deal for the Sox. Show stopper, or maybe not, is that Tatis Jr. does have a full no trade clause through 2028. He'll demand more money to say yes. This was a really good way to pose the question !!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 2, 2022 22:16:11 GMT -5
I don't see Chaim making this big of a trade for a guy with questionable character. The player immediately becomes a face of the franchise for the next decade. Chaim is a character guy. I also don't like the character. The PEDs are one thing but the offseason motorcycle injury was just stupid and selfish. He's also had a lot of other injuries in his young career. I also don't like the idea of giving up top prospects for that contract.
A Tatis trade was pitched on Bradfo's "Who Says No? Wednesday" podcast today. It was actually only the second or third biggest blockbuster they discussed. In the end, my biggest take home from the pod was that Bradfo and I are on exactly the same wavelength about Verdugo.
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Post by bosox904 on Nov 3, 2022 4:59:55 GMT -5
Huh? They're fine financially to run it back. There's been 0 reports about any issues money wise. You've invented a whole scenario in your head So small to mid market San Diego is all of a sudden a 200 plus million dollar anual spender. Got it. Or maybe the Padres are evidence that even mid market teams are lying about how much they're capable of spending and owners are using it as an excuse to not spend.
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