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Post by xdmo on Dec 2, 2022 18:08:33 GMT -5
I'll pop this up in this thread too....
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 2, 2022 18:21:55 GMT -5
I'll pop this up in this thread too.... Some executives answered who was most likely to be traded as much as who will be the most notable, while the Tatis voter didn't explain his choice -- but certainly raised eyebrows with his pick.
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Post by xdmo on Dec 2, 2022 18:24:28 GMT -5
Won't tie up more than 2 threads, so I'll explain here.
The Padres might be seeing what they can get for Tatis, while getting out of the risk of his contract. In return, buying one of the premier players in free agency this off-season.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 3, 2022 0:06:02 GMT -5
I'll pop this up in this thread too.... Vindicated my dude!
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Post by xdmo on Dec 3, 2022 1:11:45 GMT -5
I'll pop this up in this thread too.... Vindicated my dude! I wouldn't say vindication versus possibilities.... Tatis versus Casas? Tatis and Devers versus anything the next 5+ plus years? I'm a fan, but I know Bloom (and others) who hasn't thought about this in hot tob time machine...is a fool...And now other GM "expectutives" are predicting it. Yeah it might not happen, but the fact that it seems feasible seems like I wasn't crazy in this thread at all.......
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 3, 2022 10:11:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't say vindication versus possibilities.... Tatis versus Casas? Tatis and Devers versus anything the next 5+ plus years? I'm a fan, but I know Bloom (and others) who hasn't thought about this in hot tob time machine...is a fool...And now other GM "expectutives" are predicting it. Yeah it might not happen, but the fact that it seems feasible seems like I wasn't crazy in this thread at all....... I don't think you read the article. It was one random executive and they were asked to give a surprise name
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Post by xdmo on Dec 3, 2022 13:29:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't say vindication versus possibilities.... Tatis versus Casas? Tatis and Devers versus anything the next 5+ plus years? I'm a fan, but I know Bloom (and others) who hasn't thought about this in hot tob time machine...is a fool...And now other GM "expectutives" are predicting it. Yeah it might not happen, but the fact that it seems feasible seems like I wasn't crazy in this thread at all....... I don't think you read the article. It was one random executive and they were asked to give a surprise name Yeah, but why is he predicting that? Is he hearing something through other GM's? I imagine it's a pretty closed circle with the baseball executives and GMs.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 3, 2022 14:25:55 GMT -5
I don't think you read the article. It was one random executive and they were asked to give a surprise name Yeah, but why is he predicting that? Is he hearing something through other GM's? I imagine it's a pretty closed circle with the baseball executives and GMs. While yes I'm sure he wasn't just pulling it out of thin air it still was a prediction in terms of a surprise move and just 1 exec said it. Doesn't make it remotely likely as I'd be shocked. The Padres would either be selling tatis at his lowest value or a team would have to buy him at his full value with his baggage. I suppose crazier things have happened but it'd be a stunner of a deal either way if you ask me.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 3, 2022 14:35:14 GMT -5
Yeah, but why is he predicting that? Is he hearing something through other GM's? I imagine it's a pretty closed circle with the baseball executives and GMs. While yes I'm sure he wasn't just pulling it out of thin air it still was a prediction in terms of a surprise move and just 1 exec said it. Doesn't make it remotely likely as I'd be shocked. The Padres would either be selling tatis at his lowest value or a team would have to buy him at his full value with his baggage. I suppose crazier things have happened but it'd be a stunner of a deal either way if you ask me. If the Padres sign Trea Turner then I'll think where there's smoke.... Until then, I'm not ready to believe it.
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Post by xdmo on Dec 8, 2022 10:38:48 GMT -5
Sooooooo what are the Sox going to give up for Tatis Jr?
The Padres only have one corner outfielder, so starting with Verdugo makes sense.
Add in a Yorke and a Mata or something. Take on the whole contract and maybe you get him.
Tatis Jr reminds me of the Hanley Ramirez that played for the Marlins. Yeah he's a risk, but what else do we have left at this point?
The only reason why I think they'll take on Tatis Jr's contract is because he's only 24.
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Post by ltlurker on Dec 8, 2022 15:14:18 GMT -5
This just became more interesting, IMO. I’m not convinced at this point that Tatis is a bad guy, even though he hasn’t been a great teammate with his actions off the field. Hosmer loves him and teammates who spoke out after his suspension seemed mainly pissed at his immaturity. Considering one of the most vocal was none other than Mike Clevinger, I’ll take some of it with a grain of salt. Could he be the second coming of Manny? Possibly but would that be the worst thing in the world? I dunno. Has a full no-trade clause through 2028, though.
Some of the positives: - Will play all of next season at 24 - AAV is “only” $24M - Contract runs through his age 35 season, as opposed to 40/41 - No opt outs - Has some defensive…versatility? - Doesn’t seem to be married to SS, like some players much his senior - The bat plays anywhere - Will likely never be cheaper, in terms of prospects, unless he gets hurt or forgets how to hit - Has 4 well above average tools
Other than the PEDs, maturity issues, and the no-trade clause, some not so positives: - None of the defensive metrics are great but he’s 23 and does have an absolute cannon - Has had some injury issues, though the wrist injury was not baseball-related (see maturity issues above) - Prospect haul will still be hefty, though Preller doesn’t seem to be a fan (anymore)
He’s about the only guy I could see including Mayer in a package for. Risk/reward are both high but for that AAV through all of his prime with no commitment beyond 35? I’d do it, as long as it didn’t drain the system.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 10, 2022 22:36:08 GMT -5
This is a super intriguing option. I have no clue what it would take to get him, but if it's not full on "empty the farm" level stuff, that could be a heck of an asset. He's a better player than any of the top FA SS from the past two years, he's as cheap or cheaper than just about all of them in terms of AAV, and his deal ends in his mid 30s instead of age 40. I doubt the Padres would want to trade him given that they seem to be going all in, but if they're open to it...yoink. If not, perhaps even more than Tatis, I would also love Kim. They have too many SS - time to share
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 30, 2023 11:32:29 GMT -5
If things go south in SD, I’m keeping an eye on him. Especially, if they want to keep Soto. They could use a lefty bat to balance out their lineup. We really need a RH bat to compliment Devers. If we’re not signing Verdugo to an extension. Him and another prospect? Yorke?? I have Story moving to 2b when Marcelo arrives. 2b eventually becomes Marcelo’s buddy Romero.
Seems to already love to put it to Yankees. Could kinda spin it as Mookie for Tatis.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 30, 2023 11:55:37 GMT -5
Tatis is 12th in the majors in fWAR and is 24 years old, can we put any thought to rest that he's getting dealt? He ain't going anywhere.
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Post by yuchangclan on Jun 30, 2023 14:46:30 GMT -5
Tatis is 12th in the majors in fWAR and is 24 years old, can we put any thought to rest that he's getting dealt? He ain't going anywhere. He also has a zillion years left on his contract, is on a team that is overburdened with payroll and already has a PED strike against him. While players like Tatis don’t exactly grow on trees, it stands to reason that the Padres might look to move some assets to help their long-term budget. I’ve heard crazier scenarios….
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 30, 2023 14:52:16 GMT -5
Tatis is 12th in the majors in fWAR and is 24 years old, can we put any thought to rest that he's getting dealt? He ain't going anywhere. He also has a zillion years left on his contract, is on a team that is overburdened with payroll and already has a PED strike against him. While players like Tatis don’t exactly grow on trees, it stands to reason that the Padres might look to move some assets to help their long-term budget. I’ve heard crazier scenarios…. They have a ton of players with years left on their contract, yes but that's because they've pushed their chips all in. They aren't now going to turn around and pull the plug on that and get rid of their 2nd best player who could quickly turn into their best player again if/when Soto leaves after 2025 so to me it really doesn't stand to reason that they would trade him at all. Not right now anyway. Perhaps like 3-4 years from now if things turn bleak and they completely stink and decide to go for a rebuild. Not the next 1.5 seasons while they still have Soto.
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Post by jdb on Jul 2, 2023 10:43:53 GMT -5
I do think we might see them try and shed some payroll this offseason but I would be shocked if it’s Tatis. Right now on baseball trade values a Duran for Kim and Musgrave is pretty similar and that would save them over $25M with a top middle infield prospect coming up. They just had an issue too with their broadcast contract and Bally sports I believe.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Nov 10, 2023 14:55:23 GMT -5
How bout Marcelo(Hometown kid) and Abreu for Tatis . If we also take Xander back for Story. Saves them a helluva lot of committed money. And, might allow them to keep Soto.
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