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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 9, 2022 16:40:50 GMT -5
Another space on the 40-man opened up:
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Post by cdj on Nov 9, 2022 16:41:31 GMT -5
CASH FLOW BABY LETS GOOOOOOO
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 9, 2022 17:08:44 GMT -5
I guess Seattle must have whatever the opposite of a 40 man roster crunch is
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Post by xdmo on Nov 9, 2022 19:22:56 GMT -5
The Sox just wanted McGee out of the Rays organization lol. I'm all for blocking even depth types in the division.
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Post by Jason on Nov 9, 2022 21:46:11 GMT -5
Since I would think it's a factor in if he keeps his spot, was it ever decided if Hernandez has a 4th option?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 9, 2022 22:46:32 GMT -5
So - current roster is at 36 - and there are a few names I can see going (Brasier, Taylor, Cordero among them).
Lots of room to maneuver.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 10, 2022 11:55:33 GMT -5
Refsnyder will stay. Emmanuel Valdez to be added.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 12, 2022 6:40:34 GMT -5
Want to feel old? Josh Taylor is the 5th longest tenured player on the 40 man right now!
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Post by jfb012 on Nov 12, 2022 8:04:11 GMT -5
Want to feel old? Josh Taylor is the 5th longest tenured player on the 40 man right now! Well that's just depressing... |
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Post by costpet on Nov 12, 2022 10:23:04 GMT -5
Bloom better get it right this off-season or he’s gone next year. I think he knows that.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 12, 2022 15:31:12 GMT -5
Bloom better get it right this off-season or he’s gone next year. I think he knows that. I never understood the post saying that someone has to do their job well. Do you think he's not trying? Do you think he wants to put his job, and future jobs at risk? |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 12, 2022 15:39:22 GMT -5
Bloom better get it right this off-season or he’s gone next year. I think he knows that. I never understood the post saying that someone has to do their job well. Do you think he's not trying? Do you think he wants to put his job, and future jobs at risk? All he is saying is that the pressure is on him this year more than it has ever been and if he has another year like last year his job is in jeopardy. Everybody knows Bloom is trying his best. That's not the issue. Getting results are. Another last place finish might get him fired so he might feel a pressure to balance the now more than the future than he did in the past - haha like the punny way I said it, but it's true. If I think he's building a juggernaut farm system that will bear fruit soon and be the class of the East I can wait through another 5th place under .500 finish or two, but a big market fanbase like the Red Sox might not have the appetite for that so he kind of has to do both, and let's face it, we all knew 2020 was a waste of a year, but we figured that would probably be the last time the Sox were under .500 and/or in last place for awhile, and that's not what happened in 2022. I would think that ownership is tired of last place finishes and the fanbase not populating Fenway in August or September when it's obvious the team isn't going anywhere. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 12, 2022 15:44:47 GMT -5
Let's keep this thread to a discussion of the 40-man roster. Thanks.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 13, 2022 10:10:15 GMT -5
Bloom better get it right this off-season or he’s gone next year. I think he knows that. I never understood the post saying that someone has to do their job well. Do you think he's not trying? Do you think he wants to put his job, and future jobs at risk? I agree with this, but trying hard does not equal success (sadly). Even in the best systems that claim to "trust the process" and support approved approaches and philosophies, it ultimately becomes about outcomes. If an executive doesn't produce up to expectations within a specific time period, that exec will be looking for a job no matter what the industry. |
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 14, 2022 16:31:09 GMT -5
I have us with a 2-excess roster crunch, one of which is east to solve.
First, I expect 7 MLB additions, not the 6 that is projected here. I've argued for Hosmer as a valuable bench contributor but there's no way that he's good enough to start at DH in the AL East, not when you can sign Conforto or the equivalent. That pushes Dalbec to AAA, but only when all 11 non-catchers are healthy at once.
I agree that we add 3 pitchers, but I have two starters (likely Eovaldi and Wacha) and 1 reliever rather than the other way around. That turns out to help the roster crunch, too.
Let's list the trims first. Remember that everyone else has a crunch as well, so the odds of getting these guys to Worcester are good (for those who can't declare free agency).
Brasier
Taylor
D. Hernandez
R. Hernandez
Chang
C. Hamilton
Reed
That's 7, so we're still at 37, which means we can add three guys without clearing space.
Let's check the math by identifying the first 11 guys who will be on option:
Dalbec
Mata
Wong
Seabold
Duran
Downs
Winckowski
Cordero
Ort
German
Valdez
The consensus has 5 certain additions:
Rafaela
Walter
Murhy
Ward
Abreu
If you've added two more starters, meaning that Crawford is now eighth on your depth chart, do you really need 5 more guys at Worcester that project to be useful? So trading Seabold or Winckowski to a team that is thin at AAA starting depth is an easy trim.
Of the other optioned players, there are obvious reasons for wanting to keep almost all of them. Dalbec, Cordero, and Duran are all MLB depth and would be sold low if moved. Mata has too much upside, and you don't wany to deal both Wincl and Seabold. Wong is probably your backup C next year (or by July). Ort and German are the sort of relievers you want to collect, not get rid of. That leaves Valdez, who they are apparently high on, and poor Jeter Downs.
So the choice may be trading Downs for whatever he's still worth or leaving Abreu unprotected.
In the long run, of course, trades may make a shamble of this, and ultimately, you don't need to make the last trim until you make the last of your 7 additions. But you certainly cannot add someone now and trim them later, so they have to have some kind of plan in place if they do protect Abreu or a longshot.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2022 17:15:16 GMT -5
So with the 5 additions (Rafaela, Murphy, Walter, Abreu, Hamilton), the Red Sox are +2 and will need to make two moves before 6pm.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Nov 15, 2022 17:25:32 GMT -5
Maybe there is a trade coming??
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 15, 2022 17:29:10 GMT -5
Maybe there is a trade coming?? 3 for 1 would makes sense |
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Post by billw on Nov 15, 2022 17:40:37 GMT -5
it is obvious that Hamilton and Abreu were added because they were bloom trade picks, they are stiffs, but I guess you protect your own
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 15, 2022 17:42:30 GMT -5
it is obvious that Hamilton and Abreu were added because they were bloom trade picks, they are stiffs, but I guess you protect your own Lol. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 15, 2022 17:42:44 GMT -5
it is obvious that Hamilton and Abreu were added because they were bloom trade picks, they are stiffs, but I guess you protect your own Lmao, I'm guessing you didn't watch Ward in the AFL. None of these picks are egregious, and Speier said left handed batters with speed are a commodity |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2022 17:47:31 GMT -5
Zero guys on the 40 below AAA now.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 15, 2022 17:49:41 GMT -5
it is obvious that Hamilton and Abreu were added because they were bloom trade picks, they are stiffs, but I guess you protect your own We need a term for this very common type of claim - the Cynical Fallacy or something? It's this thing where people attribute nefarious motivations to the team (the GM in particular) in situations where perfectly banal explanations would suffice. Like yeah, Bloom liked these guys enough to trade for them... is it surprising that he also likes them enough to protect them from the Rule 5?
I'm tempted to say it reveals more about the accuser that they expect people to act from such deep insecurity, but then I might be committing the Cynical Fallacy...
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 15, 2022 17:54:27 GMT -5
it is obvious that Hamilton and Abreu were added because they were bloom trade picks, they are stiffs, but I guess you protect your own We need a term for this very common type of claim - the Cynical Fallacy or something? It's this thing where people attribute nefarious motivations to the team (the GM in particular) in situations where perfectly banal explanations would suffice. Like yeah, Bloom liked these guys enough to trade for them... is it surprising that he also likes them enough to protect them from the Rule 5?
I'm tempted to say it reveals more about the accuser that they expect people to act from such deep insecurity, but then I might be committing the Cynical Fallacy...
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2022 17:59:09 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken some experts who talked about abreu/Valdez said abreu was underrated and could be the real prize of the deal and Hamilton with his speed and the rule changes could easily have an ML role somewhere. I mean Billy Hamilton is still floating around the league the last few years.
Is it perhaps a little surprising they protected those two? Sure but it's not crazy if you ask me.
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