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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2022 16:25:55 GMT -5
I'm interested to say what Rizzo gets in that multi year deal, he's a good fit for them no doubt but he is a soon to be 33 year old 1st baseman and their payroll is already rather bloated. If/when they bring Judge back will they have any money left over to bolster the rest of that team? I'm not so sure they do, they have some good prospects on the come up but as we know prospects are no sure thing.
Say Judge comes back to earth and "only" puts up something like a 5.5 fWAWR type year he did in 2021 all of a sudden that Yankees team really isn't too scary in my mind.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2022 16:26:29 GMT -5
I'm interested to say what Rizzo gets in that multi year deal, he's a good fit for them no doubt but he is a soon to be 33 year old 1st baseman and their payroll is already rather bloated. If/when they bring Judge back will they have any money left over to bolster the rest of that team? I'm not so sure they do, they have some good prospects on the come up but as we know prospects are no sure thing. Say Judge comes back to earth and "only" puts up something like a 5.5 fWAWR type year he did in 2021 all of a sudden that Yankees team really isn't too scary in my mind.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2022 16:35:53 GMT -5
SpoTrac has the Yankees estimated 2023 payroll after the Rizzo signing at 198M and that's not counting a possible 38-40M for Judge, I guess we'll see if Hal decides to open up the checkbook like the old man used to but if he decides he wants to stick around the luxury tax short of finding someone to pawn off salary too that doesn't leave them a whole lot of room to add much else. At least not in the FA pool.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2022 17:28:16 GMT -5
2/40 for Rizzo seems like pretty mediocre value for a guy getting into his mid 30's
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2022 17:34:27 GMT -5
2/40 for Rizzo seems like pretty mediocre value for a guy getting into his mid 30's And at a non premium position. Good player and good fit for them but I still think they'd been better off using that money elsewhere.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 15, 2022 19:41:14 GMT -5
2/40 for Rizzo seems like pretty mediocre value for a guy getting into his mid 30's And at a non premium position. Good player and good fit for them but I still think they'd been better off using that money elsewhere. What's the going rate for a HR? With that short porch in RF, Rizzo should still have at least 60 over the next 2 years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2022 21:33:33 GMT -5
2/40 for Rizzo seems like pretty mediocre value for a guy getting into his mid 30's And at a non premium position. Good player and good fit for them but I still think they'd been better off using that money elsewhere. Perhaps, but the Yankees only had 3 guys in the lineup you worried about last year and Rizzon was one of them. It might be a non premium position but it matters. Last year the Sox got killed at a non premium position, so stability is good wherever you can get it. Hopefully Casas brings that for the Sox this year, if he's healthy.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 16, 2022 7:46:28 GMT -5
Very fair points by Redsox04071418champs and Guidas. Rizzo is a good player, not going to dispute that and fits them very well since their lineup has been so right handed heavy at least in terms of power. So I'll say it's a good move for them, only two years guaranteed with that buy out so it won't kill them long term if his back flares up again or regression like some of the other deals they've given out to guys like Hicks and LeMehieu to an extent. Probably just some bias Yankees bashing going on, on my part.
Still it makes me wonder how they plan to bolster the rest of their roster giving out that money and if they sign Judge. At this point signing Judge alone will push them past the luxury tax from what I have read barring any salary dumps.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 16, 2022 8:26:06 GMT -5
And at a non premium position. Good player and good fit for them but I still think they'd been better off using that money elsewhere. Perhaps, but the Yankees only had 3 guys in the lineup you worried about last year and Rizzon was one of them. It might be a non premium position but it matters. Last year the Sox got killed at a non premium position, so stability is good wherever you can get it. Hopefully Casas brings that for the Sox this year, if he's healthy. 1st base isn't a premium position but like you said the Sox were hurt depending on Bobby Bombs and Franchy until they finally got a bargin on Hosmer and Casas was called up. Still...if Hosmer can hit at least 10 homers and hit 270 and play great defense he should be fine there provided of course Casas is the DH and they get a bat in RF. They're getting Hosmer for free for the next couple years so he's probably a better bargin than Rizzo who is a superior player. Bottom line is I love the deal for Rizzo and the MFY but there would be a riot on this board if the Sox gave that contract out.
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Post by xdmo on Nov 16, 2022 8:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by bosox904 on Nov 16, 2022 9:14:25 GMT -5
Judge is obviously good, but I don't see a long term contract working out well with him. So hopefully they have to spend something crazy like $50 a year to keep him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 16, 2022 9:44:33 GMT -5
So far the Yankees have said they won't be outbid for Judge and the media have mentioned that the Giants won't be outbid for Judge. Someone is getting outbid! I'm legitimately wondering if the Dodgers end up offering him 3/145 just for the absolute hell of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2022 10:16:08 GMT -5
Heyman had reported that the Angels had been negotiating with Martin Perez before he accepted his QO. The thought of giving up a 2nd round pick to sign Martin Perez to a multi-year deal is uh... probably not ideal
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 16, 2022 10:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Nov 16, 2022 10:43:27 GMT -5
That’s a surprise
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 16, 2022 10:58:13 GMT -5
I won't miss his 1.247 OPS against the Red Sox.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 16, 2022 11:03:39 GMT -5
Haha, they traded him for a reliever. Good luck with that Toronto!
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 16, 2022 11:06:55 GMT -5
In Red Sox terms, I'd say it's the equivalent of giving up Schreiber and a slightly less upside version of Mata
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 16, 2022 11:08:24 GMT -5
That deal looks pretty nice for Toronto
Hernandez is in his last year of arb with a $14 million pay day coming. They got a reliever coming off a dominant season with 3 arb years. They also got the Mariners #8 prospect, but he's a pitcher with 92 career innings since being drafted in 2019 and I see the word "rotator tendonitis" in this writeup.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 16, 2022 11:27:03 GMT -5
I wonder if the Jays plan to make a run at Nimmo after that trade of Hernandez. He certainly would help balance out their rather righty heavy lineup.
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Post by bspeed on Nov 16, 2022 11:35:36 GMT -5
Team/years of control seems to drive everything the Jays do.
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Post by xdmo on Nov 16, 2022 11:37:50 GMT -5
I wonder if it means more DH time for Vladdy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 16, 2022 23:48:47 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Nov 17, 2022 11:49:29 GMT -5
If you're gonna bother to post a paywalled article, maybe pull a paragraph to let us know what it says?
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 17, 2022 13:55:36 GMT -5
count the number of HOF's
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