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Post by levi on Dec 16, 2022 16:46:13 GMT -5
I wonder if this increases the chances of a Max Kepler trade? Even in a down offensive year, he played elite RF defense and had solid underlying metrics (xwOBA-wOBa=0.04 — 7th unluckiest hitter with 250 PA). He should also benefit from the shift ban. He’s owed $8.5MM in 2023 and has a club option for $10MM in 2024. His surplus value (according to BTV) is only $5.8MM so he shouldn’t cost much. I highly doubt the Twins are paying Gallo $11MM to be a 4th outfielder, so it’s an intriguing option for the Red Sox.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 16, 2022 16:52:59 GMT -5
I wanted Gallo more than most here but $11M is nuts for me.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 16, 2022 16:54:54 GMT -5
Looking forward to May 1 when Benintendi has 10 more hits than Yoshida and we all have decided that we should have signed him instead. EDIT: Interesting side note, this is the biggest contract in White Sox history. What if someone simply said man that was a lot of motion over a few years to end up back where you were? But I don’t think it’ll happen. I’m optimistic Yoshida will hit better than Beni. Yeah personally I like the shuffling approach - keep an average outfielder but add prospects - except for last year they screwed up the most important part of the sequence when they gave away the average player and replaced him with dreck. Maybe Hamilton or Binelas will pan out and make the whole thing feel better in a few years. I'm also optimistic on Yoshida though, his plate approach is my platonic ideal and I like the idea of the Red Sox having a small-guy contact machine to fill the Dustin Pedroia-sized hole in my heart.
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Post by benzinger on Dec 16, 2022 17:21:32 GMT -5
Andrew Benintendi to White Sox for 5 years 75 million. Looking forward to May 1 when Benintendi has 10 more hits than Yoshida and we all have decided that we should have signed him instead. It’s worse than that. By May 1st some will be asking why the Sox didn’t just sign JBJ.
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Post by benzinger on Dec 16, 2022 17:24:14 GMT -5
I wanted Gallo more than most here but $11M is nuts for me. $11m on a 1-year deal is basically nothing in MLB terms. Some say that Gallo will be a huge beneficiary of the shift being gone. I think that expectation boosted his FA value a bit.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 16, 2022 17:27:59 GMT -5
I guess I am more bullish than most but honestly I think Yoshida has every chance to put up more WAR than Benintendi. I guess I just believe he’s gonna translate more than some others here. I feel the Sox are probably on to something, and Yoshida’s bat might just be special in the sense he’s going to get on base constantly and knock 15-20 out of the park, wear down opposing pitchers, set a great example for young guys about how to approach ABs, and in general be a vital cog in the engine here. In short, I think his bat is maybe a good bit better than Benintendi’s and I don’t think Benny makes up for it on defense. Which by the way, we still don’t know exactly what Yoshida’s defense is. It might be horrific sure, it might be average and playable than we think.
I don’t think I am going to find myself preferring Benintendi. I’m excited for Yoshida. If I do find myself wishing that we got Benny instead…it’s gonna be a dark summer for me lol.
Edit to say it might be a dark summer anyway but I do expect Yoshida to be a bright spot for me
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 16, 2022 17:37:09 GMT -5
Andrew Benintendi to White Sox for 5 years 75 million. This weirdly makes me happy, would have hate to see him play for the Yankees next five years. I still kinda like him
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Post by Guidas on Dec 16, 2022 19:32:36 GMT -5
Andrew Benintendi to White Sox for 5 years 75 million. This weirdly makes me happy, would have hate to see him play for the Yankees next five years. I still kinda like him Cheaper than another LF who never played in MLB, and no posting fee. Fare well (except against the Red Sox) Andrew Benintendi.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 16, 2022 19:35:25 GMT -5
Andrew Benintendi to White Sox for 5 years 75 million. Looking forward to May 1 when Benintendi has 10 more hits than Yoshida and we all have decided that we should have signed him instead. EDIT: Interesting side note, this is the biggest contract in White Sox history. I decided that when I read about Yoshida's deal. Anyway, I'm not a professional GM expert-guy with experience working as a baseball man, so I'm sure I'm wrong. But really, I hope only good things for Yoshida in Boston (and Beni in Chicago, except when they play the Red Sox).
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Post by radiohix on Dec 16, 2022 20:22:16 GMT -5
I wonder if this increases the chances of a Max Kepler trade? Even in a down offensive year, he played elite RF defense and had solid underlying metrics (xwOBA-wOBa=0.04 — 7th unluckiest hitter with 250 PA). He should also benefit from the shift ban. He’s owed $8.5MM in 2023 and has a club option for $10MM in 2024. His surplus value (according to BTV) is only $5.8MM so he shouldn’t cost much. I highly doubt the Twins are paying Gallo $11MM to be a 4th outfielder, so it’s an intriguing option for the Red Sox.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 17, 2022 18:58:35 GMT -5
Another reasonable post Winter Meetings contract
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 17, 2022 19:00:57 GMT -5
Another reasonable post Winter Meetings contract I'd have had no problem giving him that. Unfortunately the sox finished last in the division while the dodgers have been a division winnging contending team for many years now so obviously he chose there.
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Post by manfred on Dec 17, 2022 19:33:16 GMT -5
JDM benefits from the universal DH.
Honestly, I wouldn’t want to give him $10 (even if that is what I pegged him at a few hours ago). He looked pretty shot. And his decline has been steady enough that I would be surprised by a real bounce back. I like him, and he is such a hard worker that maybe he adjusts, but I really don’t see it.
Anyway, turn the page. Thanks for your service, JD.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2022 21:28:12 GMT -5
So JDM reunites with Mookie, and on a reasonable contract. I know he struggled with back issues that had his swing out of whack but by September he seemed to have that issue fixed.
I think he could have helped the Red Sox this year.
Maybe the Sox can return the favor and grab Justin Turner to DH. He's still a good hitter and going from LA to Fenway can only help him.
If not Turner then who? There are no really good RH hitters left on the market.
There's Conforto from the left side.
Mancini, Drury, and Profar are average at best from the right side.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 17, 2022 21:53:30 GMT -5
So JDM reunites with Mookie,candy on a reasonable contract. I know he struggled with back issues that had his swing out of whack but by September he seemed to have that issue fixed. I think he could have helped the Red Sox this year. Maybe the Sox can return the favor and grab Justin Turner to DH. He's still a good hitter and going from LA to Fenway can only help him. If not Turner then who? There are no really good RH hitters left on the market. There's Conforto from the left side. Mancini, Drury, and Profar are average at best from the right side. I would take turner for the 10 mil that JD got at this point. They need a solid RHH I feel. Turner is the only one with a fairly decent shot of being above average.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2022 22:24:21 GMT -5
So JDM reunites with Mookie,candy on a reasonable contract. I know he struggled with back issues that had his swing out of whack but by September he seemed to have that issue fixed. I think he could have helped the Red Sox this year. Maybe the Sox can return the favor and grab Justin Turner to DH. He's still a good hitter and going from LA to Fenway can only help him. If not Turner then who? There are no really good RH hitters left on the market. There's Conforto from the left side. Mancini, Drury, and Profar are average at best from the right side. I would take turner for the 10 mil that JD got at this point. They need a solid RHH I feel. Turner is the only one with a fairly decent shot of being above average. That's what it's down to and I doubt Bloom even does that.
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Post by rico6 on Dec 17, 2022 22:48:48 GMT -5
So JDM reunites with Mookie, and on a reasonable contract. I know he struggled with back issues that had his swing out of whack but by September he seemed to have that issue fixed. I think he could have helped the Red Sox this year. Maybe the Sox can return the favor and grab Justin Turner to DH. He's still a good hitter and going from LA to Fenway can only help him. If not Turner then who? There are no really good RH hitters left on the market. There's Conforto from the left side. Mancini, Drury, and Profar are average at best from the right side. I don't think they want to invest 10m in a RH bat whether it was JD or Turner. He will wait until the leftover players are looking for homes. My guess is Will Myers will probably be the pickup at less than 10m. RH bat for 1B, OF or DH.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2022 23:05:16 GMT -5
So JDM reunites with Mookie, and on a reasonable contract. I know he struggled with back issues that had his swing out of whack but by September he seemed to have that issue fixed. I think he could have helped the Red Sox this year. Maybe the Sox can return the favor and grab Justin Turner to DH. He's still a good hitter and going from LA to Fenway can only help him. If not Turner then who? There are no really good RH hitters left on the market. There's Conforto from the left side. Mancini, Drury, and Profar are average at best from the right side. I don't think they want to invest 10m in a RH bat whether it was JD or Turner. He will wait until the leftover players are looking for homes. My guess is Will Myers will probably be the pickup at less than 10m. RH bat for 1B, OF or DH. You may be right but I hope not. I mean its not like they dont have money to spend. They could look for value rather than get the best player that improves their not so imposing lineup. I didnt consider Myers but yeah that sounds like a potential Bloom type of move. Woohoo.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 17, 2022 23:21:02 GMT -5
"Bloom type of move" = a RH bat like Kiké, Renfroe, Refsnyder on the cheap? Are we against that sort of move?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2022 23:51:05 GMT -5
"Bloom type of move" = a RH bat like Kiké, Renfroe, Refsnyder on the cheap? Are we against that sort of move? I am for whatever move improves the team on the field most. If it's Myers chosen over Turner, yes I am against the move. You can rubberstamp whatever you see fit, your prerogative.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2022 23:53:32 GMT -5
"Bloom type of move" = a RH bat like Kiké, Renfroe, Refsnyder on the cheap? Are we against that sort of move? I am for whatever move improves the team on the field most. If it's Myers chosen over Turner, yes I am against the move. You can rubberstamp whatever you see fit, your prerogative. It's not mandatory that you agree with me.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 17, 2022 23:59:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I've really been rubberstamping their moves this offseason...
I just think Myers is kind of a bizarre suggestion and didn't strike me as Bloomian at all. There are about 8 RH bats that would make more sense to me, and about 5 even if we limited it to outfielders.
But who knows I guess. I never would have thought they'd spend 2/32 on a relief pitcher.
By the way, the top two remaining position players by fangraphs projected way are Segura (2.6) and Andrus (1.9). Are we just waiting for the Red Sox to decide whether Story can play SS or not?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 18, 2022 0:27:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I've really been rubberstamping their moves this offseason... I just think Myers is kind of a bizarre suggestion and didn't strike me as Bloomian at all. There are about 8 RH bats that would make more sense to me, and about 5 even if we limited it to outfielders. But who knows I guess. I never would have thought they'd spend 2/32 on a relief pitcher. By the way, the top two remaining position players by fangraphs projected way are Segura (2.6) and Andrus (1.9). Are we just waiting for the Red Sox to decide whether Story can play SS or not? That's the whole point. There are several better options although only Turner projects as an above average bat that can really add to the lineup. Myers simply doesnt compute but Bloom does things that leaves me scratching my head, so why wouldnt Bloom do it? He likes to zig when everybody else zags. As far as Jansen goes I wouldnt be shocked if he struggled and I can see you like, see this is why you dont invest in a closer...or any reliever. But my answer would be it depends on the closer. I'm sure the Astros dont regret signing Pressley. I dont think the White Sox got ripped off when they signed Liam Hendricks. I wasn't crazy about Jansen. He has a long track record of being great and I'd loved to have had a few years back but I think he's on the edge and could fall off. I'd have taken my chances with Schreiber. That said I understand why they made the move. I'd guess it was a favor to Cora who must have hated not knowing who his closer was night to night and hated seeing so many damn leads get blown in the 8th and 9th innings last year. There's no way around it. The pen was brutal last year. So Martin and Jansen were attempts to fix the issue. They lose Houck and Whitlock out of the pen and I think they downgraded from Strahm to Rodriguez. I think they should try to sign either Rodgers or Chafin or gamble on Britton. They need a late inning lefty in case Taylor isnt right. What doesn't work is just throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping enough sticks. Last year only Schreiber stuck. Everybody else stunk. Sometimes you need to invest funds into a proven track record. Ie. Theo did well when he invested in Foulke and Timlin. As to you last point...kind of crazy, right? Does anybody know if Story can handle SS anymore? I hope so because there are more palatable 2b options out there than palatable SS options. I want Elvis less than I want Segura. And Drury can play 2b. Valdez might come up and help out at 2b. And Arroyo is good at 2b until his next injury. But at SS there's Elvis or moving Kiké to SS and opening up a hole in CF in what is a defensively challenged outfield to be kind. Not appealing options. I miss X so much already.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 18, 2022 2:55:56 GMT -5
Wil Myers hits lefties really well and can play first and anywhere in the outfield. I wouldn’t hate him on the bench at all.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 18, 2022 5:28:53 GMT -5
Myers would be a solid get for the bench. He also can play multiple places
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