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Post by worldbfree on Dec 18, 2022 8:08:08 GMT -5
I would rather have Brandon Drury than Wil Myers. Drury plays multiple pisitions as well and is younger
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 18, 2022 11:03:45 GMT -5
Another reasonable post Winter Meetings contract JDM had 16 dongs playing half his games in Fenway last year. Sure, his game is more the other way but I could see him not cracking double digits with LAD and playing in a division with SD and SF.
His .448 SLG in 2022 was his lowest in his career in a full season - by a lot. Next lowest was .518 in 2021.
I appreciate his contributions, particularly to the 2018 team, but stick a fork in him. He's done.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 18, 2022 11:08:26 GMT -5
Wil Myers hits lefties really well and can play first and anywhere in the outfield. I wouldn’t hate him on the bench at all. Sounds like a carbon copy of Refsnyder. Why not use that money to fill a different need?
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 18, 2022 14:44:18 GMT -5
Wil Myers hits lefties really well and can play first and anywhere in the outfield. I wouldn’t hate him on the bench at all. Sounds like a carbon copy of Refsnyder. Why not use that money to fill a different need? And, Drury would be redundant with Dalbec as RH 1B/3B backup, albeit a better hitter at this point. The Sox have a starter for every position already. What needs to be acquired is players that are a clear upgrade over a starter we already have. There is still plenty of time to work the trade market before picking from the FA remains.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 18, 2022 15:06:23 GMT -5
Wil Myers hits lefties really well and can play first and anywhere in the outfield. I wouldn’t hate him on the bench at all. Sounds like a carbon copy of Refsnyder. Why not use that money to fill a different need? Depends how things shake out, but I could be on board with him in Dalbec’s spot. I’d want them to also add a lefty (or righty without big splits) for the former Hosmer spot if they went this way. I’m just saying there’s versions of the roster where he fits, not clamoring for it.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 18, 2022 20:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 19, 2022 13:22:36 GMT -5
Guardians ZiPS projections just published: blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-zips-projections-cleveland-guardians/The reason I am posting this is because here is an example of what trading away a star player because you won't re-sign him needs to look like. The Guardians got Andres Gimenez and Amed Rosario in the Lindor deal, and now here they are a few years later and those guys are both really good players for them. Gimenez just put up 6 WAR and is now projected to put up 4.4 WAR, with his nearest offensive comps Paul Molitor, Trea Turner and Hanley Ramirez. Rosario isn't quite as good but he is still plenty good enough to start, projected to put up 2.5 WAR. That is nearly 7 WAR between the 2 of them that the Guardians are expected to get in 2023 from guys they acquired by trading away Lindor. This to me is the most frustrating thing about the last few years. If you aren't going to give out the money it takes to retain Betts and Bogaerts, okay, fine, I am not the type of fan that thinks owners should just write blank checks to home grown players. But you need to make sure you are getting good talent in return for them, otherwise you get in the situation where we are now, 3 years out from trading one of the best baseball players in the world and very little to show for it.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 19, 2022 14:51:14 GMT -5
According to Jon “Arson” Heyman, Seth Lugo has signed a two year, $15 million deal with the Padres. 2nd year is a player option.
I know the Sox might need some lefty depth, but that’s a little too rich for my blood.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 19, 2022 15:10:43 GMT -5
According to Jon “Arson” Heyman, Seth Lugo has signed a two year, $15 million deal with the Padres. 2nd year is a player option. I know the Sox might need some lefty depth, but that’s a little too rich for my blood. ?? Lugo is a righty
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 19, 2022 15:14:09 GMT -5
Can someone explain the Seth Lugo thing to me I don't get it
0.2, 0.4, 0.4 WAR the last three years as a reliever and now he's getting $15 million to start as a 33 year old
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Post by incandenza on Dec 19, 2022 15:14:36 GMT -5
Guardians ZiPS projections just published: blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-zips-projections-cleveland-guardians/The reason I am posting this is because here is an example of what trading away a star player because you won't re-sign him needs to look like. The Guardians got Andres Gimenez and Amed Rosario in the Lindor deal, and now here they are a few years later and those guys are both really good players for them. Gimenez just put up 6 WAR and is now projected to put up 4.4 WAR, with his nearest offensive comps Paul Molitor, Trea Turner and Hanley Ramirez. Rosario isn't quite as good but he is still plenty good enough to start, projected to put up 2.5 WAR. That is nearly 7 WAR between the 2 of them that the Guardians are expected to get in 2023 from guys they acquired by trading away Lindor. This to me is the most frustrating thing about the last few years. If you aren't going to give out the money it takes to retain Betts and Bogaerts, okay, fine, I am not the type of fan that thinks owners should just write blank checks to home grown players. But you need to make sure you are getting good talent in return for them, otherwise you get in the situation where we are now, 3 years out from trading one of the best baseball players in the world and very little to show for it. Ramirez was willing to sign a team-friendly extension so they did it. Lindor was going to test the free agent market so they traded him for a great haul. Yep, that's the way to do it all right.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 19, 2022 15:18:05 GMT -5
Can someone explain the Seth Lugo thing to me I don't get it 0.2, 0.4, 0.4 WAR the last three years as a reliever and now he's getting $15 million to start as a 33 year old I guess what you could point to is that's the same deal Strahm got to be a reliever. If they think Lugo has upside as a starter they can take a shot and if it doesn't work out he goes back to the bullpen and is basically Strahm.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 19, 2022 15:42:14 GMT -5
WAR is also not a great way to evaluate relievers, fwiw, especially one moving into the rotation, given the playing time difference. WAR is a counting stat. It's like comparing his total strikeouts to a starter's.
I'm not making any point specific to Lugo necessarily because I haven't done a deep dive there, but it's a similar situation to Lorenzen, no? He was a 1-WAR SP this year, which would justify the Lugo contract (he got 1/8.5).
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 19, 2022 15:49:04 GMT -5
According to Jon “Arson” Heyman, Seth Lugo has signed a two year, $15 million deal with the Padres. 2nd year is a player option. I know the Sox might need some lefty depth, but that’s a little too rich for my blood. ?? Lugo is a righty Welp, I’m a dingus. No idea why I thought he was a lefty…
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 20, 2022 14:25:57 GMT -5
Now there's an ugly contract structure. If he starts out poorly, he'll then begin earning an extra $1 million every 50 PA. Not a formula for a happy clubhouse.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 20, 2022 14:40:14 GMT -5
Now there's an ugly contract structure. If he starts out poorly, he'll then begin earning an extra $1 million every 50 PA. Not a formula for a happy clubhouse. How do those PT incentives count for the luxury tax? Are any of them considered likely to be earned? If not but he does earn them do they add them as they occur or just to the ‘24 bill?
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 20, 2022 15:43:07 GMT -5
Carlos Correa's announcement put on hold pending testing, apparently the physical raised a red flag. Him back on the market with a bad physical result would be quite a twist.
Though more likely they'd make some contract alterations and keep him in SF I assume.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 20, 2022 18:11:50 GMT -5
Now there's an ugly contract structure. If he starts out poorly, he'll then begin earning an extra $1 million every 50 PA. Not a formula for a happy clubhouse. How do those PT incentives count for the luxury tax? Are any of them considered likely to be earned? If not but he does earn them do they add them as they occur or just to the ‘24 bill? CBT is calculated at the end of the year. If they're paid, they count. Edit: Oh I get you. So my guess would be at end of 23, it's the money paid plus 24 guarantee divided by 2. At the end of 24, it's whatever gets paid that wasn't counted in 2023.
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 20, 2022 19:57:46 GMT -5
Carlos Correa's announcement put on hold pending testing, apparently the physical raised a red flag. Him back on the market with a bad physical result would be quite a twist. Though more likely they'd make some contract alterations and keep him in SF I assume. There is a plan...Bloom played it perfectly with his 5/$125M offer still on the table!!
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 20, 2022 22:08:56 GMT -5
We've now reached the settling for disappointing contracts portion of the offseason
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Post by manfred on Dec 20, 2022 22:11:50 GMT -5
We've now reached the settling for disappointing contracts portion of the offseason You think? I don’t know what he was projected to get. Dude had a career year last year… between that and it being the Angels, I’m going to call this a bust in advance.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 21, 2022 3:25:59 GMT -5
WHAT???
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Post by keninten on Dec 21, 2022 4:35:29 GMT -5
If he goes to 2nd could we get Baty for Devers. They could throw in McNeil or Megill.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 21, 2022 6:20:40 GMT -5
Perhaps the giants would give up some haul for rafi if they had the chance to work an extension? What a turn of events.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 21, 2022 6:43:27 GMT -5
Wow, the Mets are resembling a fantasy league team.
The spending is comical, but I'll say this. Their owner truly wants to win, very badly. That's his primary focus. I wish I could say that about the Sox ownership today. I used to feel that way about them. Back in 2002, 2003, 2004, you could feel that was their main quest. Now the Sox are merely one of their many properties in a growing conglomerate.
I guess Devers to the Mets is still a go if it comes down to a trade as the Mets could shift Correa to 2b and McNeil to LF to displace Canha who is merely good, but not an all star, and Baty would be easily available, although their plan at the moment is to shift Baty to LF. Eventually Alvarez will come up and give them all star caliber at every position. It's mind blowing. You can't say that Cohen isn't doing everything in his power to help his team win.
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