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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 19, 2013 7:33:55 GMT -5
4/19 Red Sox (RHP Clay Buchholz 3-0 0.41) vs. Royals (RHP James Shields 1-2 3.43) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEI4/20 Red Sox (RHP Ryan Dempster 0-1 2.65) vs. Royals (RHP Ervin Santana 1-1 2.45) 1:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI4/21 Red Sox (LHP Felix Doubront 1-0 4.50) vs. Royals (RHP Jeremy Guthrie 2-0 3.20) 1:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 19, 2013 7:45:21 GMT -5
Some good pitching matchups this series. Would love to see 2 of 3 taken at home.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2013 8:52:37 GMT -5
Morales is making rehab appearances, what do you think happens with the roster when he's ready to come back? Lets pretend Hanrahan is back so Wright is back in AAA. As far as I know, Aceves is the only one with options. Farrell and BC said that at this point in the season, maintaining depth is the primary concern. I don't see any other real options. You going to DFA Mortenson?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 19, 2013 8:59:10 GMT -5
Morales is making rehab appearances, what do you think happens with the roster when he's ready to come back? Lets pretend Hanrahan is back so Wright is back in AAA. As far as I know, Aceves is the only one with options. Farrell and BC said that at this point in the season, maintaining depth is the primary concern. I don't see any other real options. You going to DFA Mortenson? If you demote Aceves, he'd go berserk. He's not going down to AAA with a smile on his face to work on things. We'd have to trade him. Do you value your 6th starter more than Mortenson? That would be the question that would have to be answered. If Morales is rehabbing well, and Webster is getting his pitch count up towards 100 maybe. Tough call.
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Post by jmei on Apr 19, 2013 9:04:29 GMT -5
If either Lackey or Hanrahan is still on the DL when Morales returns, you option Wright and Wilson. By the time all three are healthy, chances are another injury to the pitching staff will render the question moot. If everyone is healthy, I have no problem DFAing (or trading) either Aceves or Mortensen, especially since you'd still have Wilson at AAA and Breslow hopefully working his way back, plus Bard as a wild card. Assuming Morales is healthy and performing well, he'd be the new sixth starter/long man in place of Aceves.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 19, 2013 9:09:39 GMT -5
I gotta think that Cherington has had many, may conversations with other GMs about trades for Sox relievers and has a pretty good idea of who could go where for what. My suspicion is that he'll reactivate a couple of those conversations if we get to that point and there has been no other injuries in the meantime. But, like jmei said, my greater suspicion is that this isn't going to matter because someone will tweak something that'll need a 15-day DL at some point in the meantime.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2013 9:43:54 GMT -5
Yes, Wright will be the first one to be optioned when a pitcher is healthy, followed by Wilson, who at least is actually a reliever.
I could see someone like Hassan going on the 60-day soon to make room on the 40, which is a cluttered mess right now with all the guys on it that can't help yet.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 19, 2013 11:09:22 GMT -5
Yes, Wright will be the first one to be optioned when a pitcher is healthy, followed by Wilson, who at least is actually a reliever. I could see someone like Hassan going on the 60-day soon to make room on the 40, which is a cluttered mess right now with all the guys on it that can't help yet. This is why adding Bradley was stupid along with Hassan. Gives the Sox less options to play with.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 19, 2013 11:15:27 GMT -5
This gane is going to be canceled, it's a long drive for sons people to Fenway and everything is locked down
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 19, 2013 11:27:35 GMT -5
This gane is going to be canceled, it's a long drive for sons people to Fenway and everything is locked down Have to cancel. Crazy to play in this hysteria. Day/night doubleheader tomorrow.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 19, 2013 11:52:38 GMT -5
This gane is going to be canceled, it's a long drive for sons people to Fenway and everything is locked down Have to cancel. Crazy to play in this hysteria. Day/night doubleheader tomorrow. I imagine that the city/state will request both the bruins and the Red Sox to postpone their games.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 19, 2013 11:58:19 GMT -5
I could see someone like Hassan going on the 60-day soon to make room on the 40, which is a cluttered mess right now with all the guys on it that can't help yet. Seems to me the clog is in three places: 1B/DH/C - If Lavarnway is really a C then they have 5 catchers on the 40-man which is one too many. If he's a 1B/DH, he's behind Napoli/Papi/Gomes/Carp/Nava. Major league relief - fringy guys without options, plus Aceves Minor league starting pitching - Drake Britton is pretty far down the depth chart unless and until he converts to relief. Otherwise things look pretty clean. For all the carping about Hassan & Bradley, the Sox have 2 MiL OF (+ Kalish on 60-day), 2 MiL middle infielders on the 40-man, which is perfectly reasonable.
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 19, 2013 12:19:32 GMT -5
Per David Ortiz (as tweeted by Nick Cafardo), tonight's game has been cancelled. No official word from the team yet, so take with a grain of salt.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 19, 2013 13:01:04 GMT -5
Yes, Wright will be the first one to be optioned when a pitcher is healthy, followed by Wilson, who at least is actually a reliever. I could see someone like Hassan going on the 60-day soon to make room on the 40, which is a cluttered mess right now with all the guys on it that can't help yet. Chris, I'm not so sure I agree, but even if so, what alternative moves would you have made? Maybe protecting Pressley vs Hassan, but bullpen depth isn't this teams issue. It's less about guys "clogging" the 40 than it is about who did they block from being added that could truly help this team? There are only 4 guys on the 40man that I would classify as not being able to help the major league team: 1. Hassan 2. Butler 3. Vasquez 4. Britton The team is fairly well covered where needed, if an injury replacement is needed. I suppose you could say they are a little thin in the OF with only Bradley being the main option, but again what were your alternatives? Sweeney? Maier? he's still in the system. You can always very easily DFA Hassan or Butler at any time with little risk of losing them and even if you did, who really cares. Really, just curious as to what you think should have been done differently..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 13:04:24 GMT -5
Has there been an announcement regarding the game? I assume there won't be one unless something changes soon.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 19, 2013 13:08:24 GMT -5
Butler may very well be the 1st catcher called up if there's an injury, depending on how Lavarnway hits. Napoli isn't catching any significant games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 13:22:21 GMT -5
An interesting scenario. Ortiz loses $2M off of his contract if he is on the DL for 20 days or more. Like all teams, the Red Sox probably don't make moves until just before game time so Ortiz hasn't officially been activated yet. If the game isn't played tonight I'd assume that they would not activate him until tommorow. This would mean that Ortiz would have been on the DL for 20 days and could technically be out the $2M. Ortiz might be getting involved in the manhunt himself.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 19, 2013 13:25:54 GMT -5
Ortiz was activated today, per MLB.com's transaction page.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 13:31:26 GMT -5
Yes, Wright will be the first one to be optioned when a pitcher is healthy, followed by Wilson, who at least is actually a reliever. I could see someone like Hassan going on the 60-day soon to make room on the 40, which is a cluttered mess right now with all the guys on it that can't help yet. This is why adding Bradley was stupid along with Hassan. Gives the Sox less options to play with. Hassan can be assigned to an affiliate on a rehab assignment for 20 days while he is still on the major league DL and then optioned when the 20 days were up. That means he would only have to be on the DL for 40 days total before he could play which is maybe 2-3 more weeks. The downside of this is that they would have to pay Hassan the prorated major league miniumum for that 20 days which they may not want to do.
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 19, 2013 13:33:02 GMT -5
Per David Ortiz (as tweeted by Nick Cafardo), tonight's game has been cancelled. No official word from the team yet, so take with a grain of salt. Still no word, which Ortiz has now acknowledged.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 13:47:52 GMT -5
Ortiz was activated today, per MLB.com's transaction page. Even if it's on the transaction page that doesn't mean that it's official yet. They usually don't do that until just before game time so if something does come up before game time they can ammend the transaction and keep the player they lost on the roster. A similar situation happened a couple of years ago with Darnell McDonald who was DFA'd but not officially. Jacoby Ellsbury came up lame in pre-game warmups and they put him on the DL instead. In this case, if something happens to Ortiz or anyone else pre-game they would not have to wait ten days to bring Jackie Bradley Jr. up again.
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 19, 2013 14:03:11 GMT -5
It's official. Game postponed.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 19, 2013 14:05:09 GMT -5
Good. Time to bring these scumbags to justice now.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2013 14:13:46 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 19, 2013 15:40:19 GMT -5
Ortiz was activated today, per MLB.com's transaction page. Even if it's on the transaction page that doesn't mean that it's official yet. They usually don't do that until just before game time so if something does come up before game time they can ammend the transaction and keep the player they lost on the roster. A similar situation happened a couple of years ago with Darnell McDonald who was DFA'd but not officially. Jacoby Ellsbury came up lame in pre-game warmups and they put him on the DL instead. In this case, if something happens to Ortiz or anyone else pre-game they would not have to wait ten days to bring Jackie Bradley Jr. up again. If Ortiz reinjured himself pre-game after he's been activated, it would still waive the waiting period. The McDonald situation was different, because he'd been told he'd be designated, but the transaction was never submitted. There's no reason to play the same games with Ortiz/Bradley, because the Red Sox would probably have sent Bradley to the majors regardless of Ortiz's status. There really isn't a roster benefit to waiting, unless you think Bradley having an option year in 2017 is a big issue. They'd save $2 million, but saving that by playing roster games with one of their most popular and accomplished players, because of a game postponed because under these circumstances, is probably not a road they want to go down.
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