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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 4, 2022 18:41:57 GMT -5
Apparently Sean Murphy is near certain to be dealt very soon, and the Braves are the front-runners, according to mlbtraderumors.com.
Will be interesting to see the return. I’d love to know what Bloom thinks of Reese McGuire and whether he’s capable of handling a starting role. I like Murphy, but I’d be hesitant to trade the farm for him.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 4, 2022 19:04:21 GMT -5
Apparently Sean Murphy is near certain to be dealt very soon, and the Braves are the front-runners, according to mlbtraderumors.com. Will be interesting to see the return. I’d love to know what Bloom thinks of Reese McGuire and whether he’s capable of handling a starting role. I like Murphy, but I’d be hesitant to trade the farm for him. Braves are out now. Even though it makes me wince, I’d accept a Casas trade that nets them Murphy. Edit: it would be great to also get Laureano as part of this as well. Helps settle one of the OF positions.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 4, 2022 19:06:46 GMT -5
Braves wouldn't make a ton of sense, since they have a pretty good catcher with one year of service time (altho he sucks on defense) and zero top 100 prospects.
Mark Feinsand @feinsand Update on Sean Murphy: it still appears Oakland is close to a trade, but the Braves are NOT going to be the acquiring team, per source. The Cardinals, Rays, Guardians and Red Sox are among the teams that have been connected to Murphy in recent weeks.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 4, 2022 19:26:33 GMT -5
Braves wouldn't make a ton of sense, since they have a pretty good catcher with one year of service time (altho he sucks on defense) and zero top 100 prospects. Mark Feinsand @feinsand Update on Sean Murphy: it still appears Oakland is close to a trade, but the Braves are NOT going to be the acquiring team, per source. The Cardinals, Rays, Guardians and Red Sox are among the teams that have been connected to Murphy in recent weeks. Murphy would be a good get. I could see Fenway being able to unlock his power more. Like anything else, it depends who the Sox are giving up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2022 20:38:06 GMT -5
Braves wouldn't make a ton of sense, since they have a pretty good catcher with one year of service time (altho he sucks on defense) and zero top 100 prospects. Mark Feinsand @feinsand Update on Sean Murphy: it still appears Oakland is close to a trade, but the Braves are NOT going to be the acquiring team, per source. The Cardinals, Rays, Guardians and Red Sox are among the teams that have been connected to Murphy in recent weeks. Murphy would be a good get. I could see Fenway being able to unlock his power more. Like anything else, it depends who the Sox are giving up. I'm worried about what the Sox would have to surrender for Murphy.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 4, 2022 20:55:20 GMT -5
Murphy would be a good get. I could see Fenway being able to unlock his power more. Like anything else, it depends who the Sox are giving up. I'm worried about what the Sox would have to surrender for Murphy. Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 4, 2022 21:07:54 GMT -5
I'm worried about what the Sox would have to surrender for Murphy. Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return. Using Baseball Trade Values, this package would likely be a fit: Red Sox: Murphy Laureano Athletics: Casas Wong Duran Winchowski Walter Drohan However I think another top 20 prospect would likely have to be added to really sway the A’s.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2022 21:08:24 GMT -5
I'm worried about what the Sox would have to surrender for Murphy. Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return. Verdugo isnt going in that kind of deal. With arbitration he'll get expensive for Oakland plus it would leave the Sox without 2 OF, a DH, and a SS, and they might need Arroyo for 2b. It'll cost them somebody like a Rafaela and Yorke, Lugo and Mata. If they can get Murphy without surrendering their top 4, ok. Otherwise, forget it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2022 21:09:16 GMT -5
Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return. Using Baseball Trade Values, this package would likely be a fit: Red Sox: Murphy Laureano Athletics: Casas Wong Duran Winchowski Walter Drohan I wouldn't move Casas in that package. I just wouldn't.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 4, 2022 21:09:34 GMT -5
Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return. Using Baseball Trade Values, this package would likely be a fit: Red Sox: Murphy Laureano Athletics: Casas Wong Duran Winchowski Walter Drohan That sounds about right. Laureano would be a solid get. Duran desperately needs a change of scenery.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 4, 2022 21:10:01 GMT -5
I'm worried about what the Sox would have to surrender for Murphy. Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return. If by B level prospects you mean Bleis and Bello, then maybe, but otherwise I think it's gonna cost a lot more than that. Also you were just over there in the Bryan Reynolds thread talking about how it would make no sense to trade Verdugo to the Pirates; how is the A's situation any different?
I keep bumping up against this wall in thinking about these trades where in the abstract it makes sense, but then I really don't want to give up the specific prospects it would take. Not just because I'm a prospect-hugger (though I am kind of that), but because they just so happen to specifically fit the Red Sox' needs. Bello is just the kind of high-upside pitcher they need; Casas is just the potential OBP machine the lineup needs; Rafaela could smoothly step into Kiké's shoes a year from now.
And then there's Mayer. He's expendable if they sign Correa or one of the other shortstops. But he's also a potential once-in-a-decade prospect and it would be such a bummer to give him up.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 4, 2022 21:13:40 GMT -5
Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return. Using Baseball Trade Values, this package would likely be a fit: Red Sox: Murphy Laureano Athletics: Casas Wong Duran Winchowski Walter Drohan However I think another top 20 prospect would likely have to be added to really sway the A’s. I think the Red Sox would do this in a nanosecond, and the A’s would hang up. And I’m a huge Casas fan and believer.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 4, 2022 21:13:41 GMT -5
Probably 2 B Level prospects, a player currently on the roster such as Arroyo, Verdugo, Barnes (eat half the deal), and an A ball lotto ticket. Maybe add in McGuire or Wong and get a bullpen guy in return. If by B level prospects you mean Bleis and Bello, then maybe, but otherwise I think it's gonna cost a lot more than that. Also you were just over there in the Bryan Reynolds thread talking about how it would make so sense to trade Verdugo to the Pirates; how is the A's situation any different?
I keep bumping up against this wall in thinking about these trades where in the abstract it makes sense, but then I really don't want to give up the specific prospects it would take. Not just because I'm a prospect-hugger (though I am kind of that), but because they just so happen to specifically fit the Red Sox' needs. Bello is just the kind of high-upside pitcher they need; Casas is just the potential OBP machine the lineup needs; Rafaela could smoothly step into Kiké's shoes a year from now.
And then there's Mayer. He's expendable if they sign Correa or one of the other prospects. But he's also a potential once-in-a-decade prospect and it would be such a bummer to give him up.
The situation is different since you aren't taking back any money on Verdugo. He was an example of a player on the roster that they would ask for as a secondary piece. The poster in question with Reynolds was using him as the main piece to get the Pirates to lessen the ask on the prospects coming back. Casas would be the main piece coming from Boston. Mayer should be untouchable. Him, Bello and Bleis should be going nowhere. Everyone else can be had.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 4, 2022 21:24:47 GMT -5
Using Baseball Trade Values, this package would likely be a fit: Red Sox: Murphy Laureano Athletics: Casas Wong Duran Winchowski Walter Drohan I wouldn't move Casas in that package. I just wouldn't. Oh trust me — I’m big on Casas. But I don’t think this trade can be done without him or Bello. And seeing that solid, controllable 2-3 SP don’t grow on trees, I’ll begrudgingly let go of Casas.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 4, 2022 21:25:26 GMT -5
Using Baseball Trade Values, this package would likely be a fit: Red Sox: Murphy Laureano Athletics: Casas Wong Duran Winchowski Walter Drohan However I think another top 20 prospect would likely have to be added to really sway the A’s. I think the Red Sox would do this in a nanosecond, and the A’s would hang up. And I’m a huge Casas fan and believer. Yeah, hence why I think a Rafaela type would have to be apart of it as well.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 4, 2022 21:30:17 GMT -5
Murphy and Reynolds have roughly the same amount of trade value - they were 34 and 38, respectively, on Fangraphs midseason trade values list. Baseball trade values has them as comparable as well.
With both, it's the same thing. One of Casas, Bello or Mayer will need to headline. And then you are probably adding one of Yorke or Rafaela. That would be 2 top 100-ish prospects (Rafaela has never been ranked in the top 100 anywhere, but I would imagine he is close). Probably would need another young prospect in there too.
If Bloom made the move I wouldn't be upset, but I also am fine with keeping the prospects.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2022 21:39:44 GMT -5
I'd be really fine with getting neither Reynolds or Murphy if it costs them their top 4. Its not worth it. These guys are good but they're not THAT good.
The Red Sox need to build for 2025 and use free agency to cover the gaps.
As far as trading minor leaguers, they can deal from surplus or their secondary tier of prospect, but given where they are now, trying to go for it at the expense of their future makes no sense.
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Post by chr31ter on Dec 4, 2022 22:09:02 GMT -5
I'd be really fine with getting neither Reynolds or Murphy if it costs them their top 4. Its not worth it. These guys are good but they're not THAT good. The Red Sox need to build for 2025 and use free agency to cover the gaps. As far as trading minor leaguers, they can deal from surplus or their secondary tier of prospect, but given where they are now, trying to go for it at the expense of their future makes no sense. This. I'm not trading anyone that has a chance to provide significant help to the major league team in the next year or two, and I'm not trading any of the high upside guys in the low minors. Not unless it's for a real difference-maker. And while Reynolds and Murphy are excellent, I don't think they turn this team in to a contender. Yes, this means we'll miss out on Reynolds and Murphy. Yes, I'm OK with that.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2022 22:16:54 GMT -5
I'd be really fine with getting neither Reynolds or Murphy if it costs them their top 4. Its not worth it. These guys are good but they're not THAT good. The Red Sox need to build for 2025 and use free agency to cover the gaps. As far as trading minor leaguers, they can deal from surplus or their secondary tier of prospect, but given where they are now, trying to go for it at the expense of their future makes no sense. This. I'm not trading anyone that has a chance to provide significant help to the major league team in the next year or two, and I'm not trading any of the high upside guys in the low minors. Not unless it's for a real difference-maker. And while Reynolds and Murphy are excellent, I don't think they turn this team in to a contender. Yes, this means we'll miss out on Reynolds and Murphy. Yes, I'm OK with that. So to be clear, you’re not trading anyone in the Top 10?
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Post by xdmo on Dec 4, 2022 22:17:58 GMT -5
Mark Feinsand seems to think Cardinals, Rays, Guardians, and Red Sox are the most likely spots. When's the last time a rumor the Sox were involved in (95% of all rumors) actually came to fruition? They thought he was too expensive in July, price hasn't gone down. But if the A's would take Houck, Rafaela, Wong and a Lugo/Paulino/Jordan type then sure. I doubt it though I would offer Houck and Casas maybe another top 15 prospect like Lugo or something, see if that gets it done and probably move on. I think he's a way better fit for Fenway than Reynolds. Add- If Duran and Winkowski could you a Loreano on top of it, I'd do that too.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 4, 2022 22:20:03 GMT -5
I'd be really fine with getting neither Reynolds or Murphy if it costs them their top 4. It’s not worth it. These guys are good but they're not THAT good. The Red Sox need to build for 2025 and use free agency to cover the gaps. As far as trading minor leaguers, they can deal from surplus or their secondary tier of prospect, but given where they are now, trying to go for it at the expense of their future makes no sense. I think it’s fair not to want to make deals for these guys because of the cost, but they are THAT good, that that is the return that should be asked for and expected. All star players with multiple cheap years of control. They’re exactly the guys who are worth top prospects.
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Post by chr31ter on Dec 4, 2022 22:30:20 GMT -5
This. I'm not trading anyone that has a chance to provide significant help to the major league team in the next year or two, and I'm not trading any of the high upside guys in the low minors. Not unless it's for a real difference-maker. And while Reynolds and Murphy are excellent, I don't think they turn this team in to a contender. Yes, this means we'll miss out on Reynolds and Murphy. Yes, I'm OK with that. So to be clear, you’re not trading anyone in the Top 10? Probably not.
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Post by xdmo on Dec 4, 2022 22:32:06 GMT -5
Sean Murphy could be like a top 25 player in MLB if he had Fenway as his home. Right handed power with elite defense. He's the complete package at catcher. His average probably goes way up here in Boston.
Versus Reynolds, who's power might drop here.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 4, 2022 23:03:18 GMT -5
I'd be really fine with getting neither Reynolds or Murphy if it costs them their top 4. It’s not worth it. These guys are good but they're not THAT good. The Red Sox need to build for 2025 and use free agency to cover the gaps. As far as trading minor leaguers, they can deal from surplus or their secondary tier of prospect, but given where they are now, trying to go for it at the expense of their future makes no sense. I think it’s fair not to want to make deals for these guys because of the cost, but they are THAT good, that that is the return that should be asked for and expected. All star players with multiple cheap years of control. They’re exactly the guys who are worth top prospects. Fine, they're worth it for teams in the right situation. Not worth it for the Red Sox. Casas is going to be a core member for 6 years. I wouldn't trade that.
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Post by manfred on Dec 4, 2022 23:04:56 GMT -5
I’m not at all into a big trade for a decent catcher. His offense would barely be mediocre at 1B. So why not go D at catcher, bigger stick at 1B?
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