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Post by manfred on Dec 8, 2022 14:57:22 GMT -5
Looking ahead….
There is dough left, and a few guys in mlb’s FA top-20. Rodon? Correa? Swanson? Bassitt?
I’m not really huge on any of those (factoring in how insane the bill will be… I’m happy to be gifted one!).
So… alternatives? Run with what they got? Anyone have any big ideas?
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Post by Canseco on Dec 8, 2022 15:04:54 GMT -5
Looking ahead…. There is dough left, and a few guys in mlb’s FA top-20. Rodon? Correa? Swanson? Bassitt? I’m not really huge on any of those (factoring in how insane the bill will be… I’m happy to be gifted one!). So… alternatives? Run with what they got? Anyone have any big ideas? At this point, I’d be looking to shore up as much quality depth on short term deals as possible. Emphasis on defense and base running. At the likely cost of these remaining bigger ticket free agents, we’d be shortsighted to indulge.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 8, 2022 15:24:07 GMT -5
Assuming a ~$40M budget left to go, here's a couple paths I'd be on board with:
Path 1 $20M - SP (Senga, Eovaldi, etc.) $10M - 2B/SS (Segura/Andrus) $10M - DH (Turner)
Path 2 $30M - Correa $5M - Hill
If they are to mix in some trades they can get a little more creative. I think regardless they should be looking for a Dalbec trade, maybe a Duran one too. Also extend Devers.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 8, 2022 15:50:21 GMT -5
What they have done well already.
1) Shore up the bullpen, this is especially important with two (Bello, Whitlock) or even 3 (Houk or Mata) young starters in the rotation. I don't want to see the kids pitch 5-6 solid innings and then watch the pen blow their leads. 2) Obtain a top of the order on base machine. Along with performance Yoshida could be a good example ( Like Schwarber in 2021) for some teammates with approach.
What I'd like to see next.
1. Add a RH power bat to the roster. This could be by adding Correa or Swanson at SS or via trade for an outfielder. 2. Backfill SS with a strong defender so Story can stay at 2B. 3. Strengthen defense in RF.
I still like Reynolds as a trade target as he would address both 1 & 3. Correa or Swanson address 1 & 2. But, feels like time to consider some other possibilities as well.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 15:50:31 GMT -5
Looking ahead…. There is dough left, and a few guys in mlb’s FA top-20. Rodon? Correa? Swanson? Bassitt? I’m not really huge on any of those (factoring in how insane the bill will be… I’m happy to be gifted one!). So… alternatives? Run with what they got? Anyone have any big ideas? At this point, I’d be looking to shore up as much quality depth on short term deals as possible. Emphasis on defense and base running. At the likely cost of these remaining bigger ticket free agents, we’d be shortsighted to indulge. This is where I am leaning as well. Get a good defender for RF & 2nd/SS, preferably ones who don't K a lot and try and be a sound defensive squad who on the offensive end puts the ball in play and manufactures runs since I don't see them being a monster mashing HR squad next year. Pitching, I don't know see if maybe you can get Senga or Rodon for some not so mind boggling deal I suspect they will be priced out of the type of range they should spend on a SP so maybe see if you can get Eovaldi for 2-3 years if the QO really hurts his market? Otherwise keep on going down the list and try and get Kluber/Cueto/Wacha/maybe Smyly? and then hope like hell your pitching stays healthy. Try and win games with run prevention and station to station type of offense. Not going to be a sexy team, nor one the fans are likely to love but who cares. Just give me some meaningful baseball deep into September and see what we got. Preferably stay under the luxury tax since unless they go wild with signings of Correa/Swanson, Senga and Conforto or something it's hard to imagine it really being worth it to go up and over the tax on the 2023 Red Sox. Even more preferably stay under the tax by enough that come deadline time, if we're looking competitive who knows go get a difference maker at the deadline.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 8, 2022 15:58:29 GMT -5
Assuming a ~$40M budget left to go, here's a couple paths I'd be on board with: Path 1 $20M - SP (Senga, Eovaldi, etc.) $10M - 2B/SS (Segura/Andrus) $10M - DH (Turner) Path 2 $30M - Correa $5M - Hill If they are to mix in some trades they can get a little more creative. I think regardless they should be looking for a Dalbec trade, maybe a Duran one too. Also extend Devers. Andrus is cooked. Better off using Verdugo or Dalbec for infield help or seeing if Valdez is anything.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 16:00:57 GMT -5
Assuming a ~$40M budget left to go, here's a couple paths I'd be on board with: Path 1 $20M - SP (Senga, Eovaldi, etc.) $10M - 2B/SS (Segura/Andrus) $10M - DH (Turner) Path 2 $30M - Correa $5M - Hill If they are to mix in some trades they can get a little more creative. I think regardless they should be looking for a Dalbec trade, maybe a Duran one too. Also extend Devers. Andrus is cooked. Better off using Verdugo or Dalbec for infield help or seeing if Valdez is anything. I had thought the same exact thing and originally dismissed him as well when Eric brought him up using some fancy stats that quite frankly went over my head. But I did some digging in to him and he was actually rather solid last year, 3.5fWAR. Assuming he can be had for a 1 year deal, he actually wouldn't be the worst short term bridge SS.
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Post by carl4sox on Dec 8, 2022 16:03:47 GMT -5
I agree with you on pitching.
For SS, I suggest Iggy for two years. Batted almost .300 this year,and I loved his enthusiasm when he was last with us.
Get a big bopping OF, preferably RF. If we can get Nimmo or Conforto without going over the tax threshold. Preferably Nimmo.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 8, 2022 16:04:12 GMT -5
Assuming a ~$40M budget left to go, here's a couple paths I'd be on board with: Path 1 $20M - SP (Senga, Eovaldi, etc.) $10M - 2B/SS (Segura/Andrus) $10M - DH (Turner) Path 2 $30M - Correa $5M - Hill If they are to mix in some trades they can get a little more creative. I think regardless they should be looking for a Dalbec trade, maybe a Duran one too. Also extend Devers. Andrus is cooked. Better off using Verdugo or Dalbec for infield help or seeing if Valdez is anything. You want to play Verdugo in the infield?
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Post by manfred on Dec 8, 2022 16:09:53 GMT -5
I agree with you on pitching. For SS, I suggest Iggy for two years. Batted almost .300 this year,and I loved his enthusiasm when he was last with us. Get a big bopping OF, preferably RF. If we can get Nimmo or Conforto without going over the tax threshold. Preferably Nimmo. Does this make Yoshida a full-time DH? And Hosmer a full l-time PH? If they get another full-time OF, they move Kiké to IF. So they’d neeed a CF.
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Post by carl4sox on Dec 8, 2022 16:13:33 GMT -5
No, rotate the OFs through the DH.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 16:19:14 GMT -5
I'm already on the fence on the Yoshida signing and that's with the thought he can play a hopefully slightly below average LF full time. If they signed him to that contract to DH even 50/50 then I'll firmly be on the side that it's a stupid signing. I don't want what sounds like the rough offensive equivalent of Benintendi DH'ing regular.
I hope the plan is to play Yoshida in LF most of the time and to either commit to Verdugo playing RF most the time if they think he can be at least average (though I'd like an above average RF defensively) or to trade Verdugo and acquire a legit RF.
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Post by pasadenasox on Dec 8, 2022 16:19:16 GMT -5
Things being as they are the logical move would seem to be resetting the CBT and filling holes with whatever the best short-term/smart buys that you can find; which, fortunately, would seem to be right in Bloom & Co's wheelhouse.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 8, 2022 16:26:30 GMT -5
Andrus is cooked. Better off using Verdugo or Dalbec for infield help or seeing if Valdez is anything. You want to play Verdugo in the infield? As trade bait
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Post by bosoxkc on Dec 8, 2022 16:38:42 GMT -5
RH RF/DH/1B Mancini, Conforto, Brantley (know Mancini can play first) 2 of these three or 1 with trade for young 50FV RF Senga! Past that, even I have no idea what to do for SS
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Post by bosoxkc on Dec 8, 2022 16:39:02 GMT -5
RH RF/DH/1B Mancini, Conforto, Brantley (know Mancini can play first) 2 of these three or 1 with trade for young 50FV RF Senga! Past that, even I have no idea what to do for SS
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Post by pasadenasox on Dec 8, 2022 16:45:41 GMT -5
I could get behind Mancini to rotate corner OF and DH with an occasional stop at first.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 16:47:50 GMT -5
RH RF/DH/1B Mancini, Conforto, Brantley (know Mancini can play first) 2 of these three or 1 with trade for young 50FV RF Senga! Past that, even I have no idea what to do for SS Mancini and Brantley have no business being in RF. I don't dismiss them being DH/LF options but we already have 2 LF and in the case of Mancini we don't need a 1st base either. Conforto interests me but not sure if he can play a passable RF either.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 8, 2022 16:48:03 GMT -5
Assuming a ~$40M budget left to go, here's a couple paths I'd be on board with: Path 1 $20M - SP (Senga, Eovaldi, etc.) $10M - 2B/SS (Segura/Andrus) $10M - DH (Turner) Path 2 $30M - Correa $5M - Hill If they are to mix in some trades they can get a little more creative. I think regardless they should be looking for a Dalbec trade, maybe a Duran one too. Also extend Devers. JDM's offensive production was better than Turner, he knows the AL pitchers and is younger.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 8, 2022 16:53:37 GMT -5
You want to play Verdugo in the infield? As trade bait Given Eric’s informative post on Andrus in the SS thread, I can see it playing out like this: SS: Andrus (2 yrs/$30-32 million) SP: Eovaldi (3 yrs/$54 million) or Senga (4-5 yrs/$75-90 million) and Hill or Kluber (1 yr/$8-10 million) RF: Conforto (1 yr/$12 million) or Reynolds (trade that includes Verdugo, Houck, Duran and 1-2 prospects w/ cash; cash paying the remaining arb years on Verdugo) A note I’m pretty sure this would still put the team above the luxury tax line.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 8, 2022 16:56:18 GMT -5
Assuming a ~$40M budget left to go, here's a couple paths I'd be on board with: Path 1 $20M - SP (Senga, Eovaldi, etc.) $10M - 2B/SS (Segura/Andrus) $10M - DH (Turner) Path 2 $30M - Correa $5M - Hill If they are to mix in some trades they can get a little more creative. I think regardless they should be looking for a Dalbec trade, maybe a Duran one too. Also extend Devers. JDM's offensive production was better than Turner, he knows the AL pitchers and is younger. No it wasn't (Turner's wRC+ was 4% higher and his baserunning better), especially when you factor in leverage and especially not in the second half, and the AL pitchers know JD too.
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Post by levi on Dec 8, 2022 16:58:03 GMT -5
Assuming a ~$40M budget left to go, here's a couple paths I'd be on board with: Path 1 $20M - SP (Senga, Eovaldi, etc.) $10M - 2B/SS (Segura/Andrus) $10M - DH (Turner) Path 2 $30M - Correa $5M - Hill If they are to mix in some trades they can get a little more creative. I think regardless they should be looking for a Dalbec trade, maybe a Duran one too. Also extend Devers. Andrus is cooked. Better off using Verdugo or Dalbec for infield help or seeing if Valdez is anything. I've been wondering what they might be envisioning for Valdez. Extrapolated over a full season in 2023, Steamer suggests he could be 2-2.5 WAR as a starter. Might they plan to platoon Arroyo/Valdez at 2B and shift Story to SS? I wouldn't necessarily be on board with that plan but it also wouldn't surprise me in a scenario where they extend Devers, sign Senga, and sign Turner as a DH. Lineup would be: Yoshida (LF) Story (SS) Devers (3B) Turner (DH) Verdugo (RF) Hernandez (CF) Casas (1B) Arroyo/Valdez (2B) McGuire (C) Hosmer (1B) Wong (C) Refsnyder (OF)
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 8, 2022 16:59:31 GMT -5
Given Eric’s informative post on Andrus in the SS thread, I can see it playing out like this: SS: Andrus (2 yrs/$30-32 million) SP: Eovaldi (3 yrs/$54 million) or Senga (4-5 yrs/$75-90 million) and Hill or Kluber (1 yr/$8-10 million) RF: Conforto (1 yr/$12 million) or Reynolds (trade that includes Verdugo, Houck, Duran and 1-2 prospects w/ cash; cash paying the remaining arb years on Verdugo) A note I’m pretty sure this would still put the team above the luxury tax line. Paying Andrus 2/32 is horrific. He was DFAed back in August. Sure, he did better with the White Sox, but yeah...spend the money elsewhere. If he was coming for half that it would be fine.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2022 17:01:07 GMT -5
Given Eric’s informative post on Andrus in the SS thread, I can see it playing out like this: SS: Andrus (2 yrs/$30-32 million) SP: Eovaldi (3 yrs/$54 million) or Senga (4-5 yrs/$75-90 million) and Hill or Kluber (1 yr/$8-10 million) RF: Conforto (1 yr/$12 million) or Reynolds (trade that includes Verdugo, Houck, Duran and 1-2 prospects w/ cash; cash paying the remaining arb years on Verdugo) A note I’m pretty sure this would still put the team above the luxury tax line. 2 years and 16 mil AAV for andrus? No thanks. Rest of the moves sure. Though I don't think that trade even sniffs Reynolds unless the prospects are Mayer and cedanne or bleis.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2022 17:02:16 GMT -5
Andrus was DFAed because Oakland shamelessly didn’t want an option to vest, not for on-field performance issues.
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