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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 9, 2022 12:35:37 GMT -5
Kepler's ZiPS projection is worse than Verdugo. Am I missing something here with this guy lol. No, I don't think so. He's pretty much Verdugo with a little different skill set. Basically the same contract status too. It's a nice thing to have Alex Verdugo though.
My preference is to play Yoshida in LF not DH so I wonder if the Twins would entertain a Verdugo for Kepler swap? Both have two years of control left if you factor in the club option for Kepler. Kepler fits the Red Sox better than Verdugo currently does in my mind with his ability to play a good RF. Something that Verdugo either can't since they don't seem to like him over there or at the least hasn't proven yet. Verdugo is likely a hair cheaper but they are both roughly the equivalent of each other in terms of WAR that I don't know if either side would really want to do it. Just an idea though.
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Post by terriblehondo on Dec 9, 2022 12:36:58 GMT -5
Trade Devers for a bunch of prospects. Because what are the odds he doesn't test the market after just watching Xander get 120 million more than the Sox offered. If I am his agent I say yeah we can go back to the Sox if you want, but lets see what's out there at the vary least it's only another year. That way we can make sure the Sox are close to what you should be getting paid.
Then put Dalbec at 3rd, Kiké at short, Duran in center and stand pat everywhere else. Maybe with another 500 plate appearances it will start to click for Dalbec and Duran. We can be under the salary cap. Trade anyone that is playing good at the trade deadline for more prospects. The Sox would finish really bad so we have a top draft position and get better prospects. Just like when they got Mayer. That way we can build the team just like the Astros did. What are a few hundred loss seasons anyway. It probably won't be fun to watch but it is all for the best, in a few years as long as they draft well the homegrown team will be ready for action then we don't have to worry about any over pays.
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Post by cdj on Dec 9, 2022 12:55:18 GMT -5
Kepler's ZiPS projection is worse than Verdugo. Am I missing something here with this guy lol. Verdugo: .296/.349/.444, .341 wOBA, 2.2 WAR Kepler: .231/.320/.410, .317 wOBA, 2.0 WAR The Sox already got their corner OF they need in Yoshida, I don't see why they would go seek out a trade for Kepler. Very different players, they may have similar WAR’s but they get there in their own way
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 9, 2022 13:00:39 GMT -5
I dont want Kepler. He's kind of toast. He can't hit anymore and it could get worse.
As frustrating as Verdugo is, he can hit and there's still untapped upside that I'm not optimistic he reaches.
I get the defensive issues, but I wouldnt trade him for Kepler.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 9, 2022 13:03:39 GMT -5
Trade Devers for a bunch of prospects. Because what are the odds he doesn't test the market after just watching Xander get 120 million more than the Sox offered. If I am his agent I say yeah we can go back to the Sox if you want, but lets see what's out there at the vary least it's only another year. That way we can make sure the Sox are close to what you should be getting paid. Then put Dalbec at 3rd, Kiké at short, Duran in center and stand pat everywhere else. Maybe with another 500 plate appearances it will start to click for Dalbec and Duran. We can be under the salary cap. Trade anyone that is playing good at the trade deadline for more prospects. The Sox would finish really bad so we have a top draft position and get better prospects. Just like when they got Mayer. That way we can build the team just like the Astros did. What are a few hundred loss seasons anyway. It probably won't be fun to watch but it is all for the best, in a few years as long as they draft well the homegrown team will be ready for action then we don't have to worry about any over pays. They aren't giving Devers the bag. The best long-term course of action is to trade him to a place like Texas where the Rangers might overpay with Leiter and Jung. The Rangers will give Devers the bag so it doesn't matter what they trade. However this ownership will not have an offseason where they push out Xander and then trade Devers. Just not good for the brand. More likely than not they'll offer Devers the Riley contract. He'll decline. The team will say it tried and then let him leave in FA.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 9, 2022 13:05:44 GMT -5
The Sox need a RH DH. I wouldnt be shocked if they signed Justin Turner to a 2 year deal. They could move him back to 3b when Devers is gone. Sort of like having Story around for Xanders departure.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 9, 2022 13:20:24 GMT -5
Trade Devers for a bunch of prospects. Because what are the odds he doesn't test the market after just watching Xander get 120 million more than the Sox offered. If I am his agent I say yeah we can go back to the Sox if you want, but lets see what's out there at the vary least it's only another year. That way we can make sure the Sox are close to what you should be getting paid. Then put Dalbec at 3rd, Kiké at short, Duran in center and stand pat everywhere else. Maybe with another 500 plate appearances it will start to click for Dalbec and Duran. We can be under the salary cap. Trade anyone that is playing good at the trade deadline for more prospects. The Sox would finish really bad so we have a top draft position and get better prospects. Just like when they got Mayer. That way we can build the team just like the Astros did. What are a few hundred loss seasons anyway. It probably won't be fun to watch but it is all for the best, in a few years as long as they draft well the homegrown team will be ready for action then we don't have to worry about any over pays. They aren't giving Devers the bag. The best long-term course of action is to trade him to a place like Texas where the Rangers might overpay with Leiter and Jung. The Rangers will give Devers the bag so it doesn't matter what they trade. However this ownership will not have an offseason where they push out Xander and then trade Devers. Just not good for the brand. More likely than not they'll offer Devers the Riley contract. He'll decline. The team will say it tried and then let him leave in FA. Honestly I think they’d have to trade Devers this off-season if he declines any extension offers in order to get the highest return.
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Post by nomar on Dec 9, 2022 14:22:32 GMT -5
They aren't giving Devers the bag. The best long-term course of action is to trade him to a place like Texas where the Rangers might overpay with Leiter and Jung. The Rangers will give Devers the bag so it doesn't matter what they trade. However this ownership will not have an offseason where they push out Xander and then trade Devers. Just not good for the brand. More likely than not they'll offer Devers the Riley contract. He'll decline. The team will say it tried and then let him leave in FA. Honestly I think they’d have to trade Devers this off-season if he declines any extension offers in order to get the highest return. You can argue wether or not they should trade Devers and punt on this coming season, but I just don’t see Bloom being able to survive that. I don’t think he’s going to make a move that essentially cements another terrible season and likely his subsequent firing.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 9, 2022 14:40:49 GMT -5
Does anyone know where current payroll roughly stands? I'm thinking around $170M with arb raises added in. Does that sound right?
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 9, 2022 14:45:39 GMT -5
Honestly I think they’d have to trade Devers this off-season if he declines any extension offers in order to get the highest return. You can argue wether or not they should trade Devers and punt on this coming season, but I just don’t see Bloom being able to survive that. I don’t think he’s going to make a move that essentially cements another terrible season and likely his subsequent firing. So right now after losing Bogaerts and gaining Yoshida, I think the Red Sox are roughly a .500 team, maybe even slightly under .500. If they want to contend in 2023 they need to bring in at least 2 more guys that are above average, one of them a position player. The only position players that fill that gap who are (supposedly) available are Correa, Murphy and Reynolds. If they get one of those 3 guys, plus re-sign Eovaldi, then they are probably an 85-87 win team, which is just barely good enough to contend. But if they don't bring in 2 guys like that I don't see how they contend, and if they aren't going to contend, then Bloom needs to trade Devers.
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Post by jphelan on Dec 9, 2022 14:47:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know where current payroll roughly stands? I'm thinking around $170M with arb raises added in. Does that sound right? Red Sox Payroll account on Twitter has it around $193m for luxury tax purposes- $40m under the first tax
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Post by kwodes on Dec 9, 2022 14:57:19 GMT -5
Haven't done research on his peripherals, but what about just taking Kris Bryant from the rockies? RHH middle of the order bat who can play 3B/1B/LF/DH and will cost nothing to acquire. Has 6/160ish left on his deal.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 9, 2022 15:10:13 GMT -5
Haven't done research on his peripherals, but what about just taking Kris Bryant from the rockies? RHH middle of the order bat who can play 3B/1B/LF/DH and will cost nothing to acquire. Has 6/160ish left on his deal. If the price was right and he approved it I would do it in a heartbeat. Above average RHH, can play a bit of outfield. Would be exactly what this team needs. I doubt he is moved though, the Rockies just don't seem to care. Arenado requested a trade I think which is why he was moved.
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Post by manfred on Dec 9, 2022 15:13:59 GMT -5
Then you’d have the Devers replacement like fellow Rockie refugee Story was for X. Cause if anything spells success, it is substituting the Rockies lineup for your own.
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Post by kwodes on Dec 9, 2022 15:21:48 GMT -5
Then you’d have the Devers replacement like fellow Rockie refugee Story was for X. Cause if anything spells success, it is substituting the Rockies lineup for your own. Would essentially be a primary DH who can be a right handed complement to Yoshida/Devers/Casas. I'm not saying I LOVE the idea, just spitballing some creative solutions.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 9, 2022 15:36:43 GMT -5
I would be ok with polishing off the offseason with a Senga/Conforto (or Brantley) addition.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 9, 2022 15:43:02 GMT -5
We need to know now if Devers is re-signing. If he isn’t then this team needs to be blown up.
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Post by manfred on Dec 9, 2022 15:47:21 GMT -5
We need to know now if Devers is re-signing. If he isn’t then this team needs to be blown up. Devers is pretty much blowing up or not blowing up by himself. If he goes, what are the huge assets?
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Post by 0ap0 on Dec 9, 2022 15:53:28 GMT -5
Trade Devers for a bunch of prospects. How many prospects is one year of Devers going to bring?
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 9, 2022 16:01:09 GMT -5
Trade Devers for a bunch of prospects. How many prospects is one year of Devers going to bring? More than the measly draft pick he'll fetch if they let him leave after next season.
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Post by 0ap0 on Dec 9, 2022 16:08:49 GMT -5
How many prospects is one year of Devers going to bring? More than the measly draft pick he'll fetch if they let him leave after next season. Sure, but presumably the difference is about what we'd have to give up to get somebody else to play third base.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2022 16:10:59 GMT -5
Kepler's ZiPS projection is worse than Verdugo. Am I missing something here with this guy lol. Verdugo: .296/.349/.444, .341 wOBA, 2.2 WAR Kepler: .231/.320/.410, .317 wOBA, 2.0 WAR The Sox already got their corner OF they need in Yoshida, I don't see why they would go seek out a trade for Kepler. Very different players, they may have similar WAR’s but they get there in their own way What makes you want the better defensive player over the better offensive one given what we've done so far? Given the money left, that's not what we need to be worried about.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 9, 2022 16:13:02 GMT -5
At this point, I am skeptical that Chaim has the ability to trade Devers even if offered a package that Devers' own mom thinks is way too much.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 9, 2022 16:15:00 GMT -5
At this point, I am skeptical that Chaim has the ability to trade Devers even if offered a package that Devers' own mom thinks is way too much. Come on, thats excessive, If you think he is that incompetent, I would like to see you be a GM of a professional baseball team. (and your fantasy team does not count)
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