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Post by nomar on Jan 20, 2023 19:32:55 GMT -5
Lol about as dumb as you’d expect with the media criticizing the Sox and the Twitter fanboy accounts crying all offseason.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 20, 2023 19:42:59 GMT -5
Lol about as dumb as you’d expect with the media criticizing the Sox and the Twitter fanboy accounts crying all offseason. 100%
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 20, 2023 19:49:54 GMT -5
Chaim handled that alright
Wish they would go Belichek and never say anything. Doesn't seem to help at all when Chaim is fairly open and honest. The media is going to be chasing the attention of outrage addicts either way.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jan 20, 2023 19:55:45 GMT -5
As much as we love Soxprospects, we also have to accept that these buffoons are also a part of our fanbase, as much as we'd like to eject them into orbit. Or the Bronx. Even the worst people here are better than that.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 20, 2023 20:15:11 GMT -5
Chaim handled that alright Wish they would go Belichek and never say anything. Doesn't seem to help at all when Chaim is fairly open and honest. The media is going to be chasing the attention of outrage addicts either way. Yeah, I thought he did okay overall given circumstances. But when he says that “there’s more coming” in the off-season while we here might expect and be okay with that meaning like Elvis Andrus or Jose Iglesias I’m not sure a lot of fans will take it that way and it just kind of sets him up for more of the same rhetoric he’s been getting.
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Post by worldbfree on Jan 20, 2023 20:15:35 GMT -5
... urged on by constant, unending, and largely uninformed commentary from a media that cares little about real ideas and much about noise. It's who we are these days. Being 20 games behind the Yankees doesn't help (which is why tv ratings were down 35%). Ownership also doesn't mind raising ticket prices every year while knowing they won't come close to catching the Yankees this year either.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jan 20, 2023 20:19:01 GMT -5
Wait you guys are really upset and calling it embarrassing that the fans booed the owner and the GM of a team that recently let Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts leave for nothing?
Look, im fine with not signing X to the contract he got, but I am 100% fine with the fans booing the people responsible for blowing up our team over and over again.
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Post by manfred on Jan 20, 2023 20:22:50 GMT -5
Say what you want about the booing, but this is double talk. He says they didn’t sign Mookie because they weren’t in a position to support him — they couldn’t build a winner up front in that contract. But he then says “hey, we signed Kiké and Renfroe” — which a) was not especially expensive, so it is not entirely either/or, b) sounds like trying to have it all ways at once. We saw ourselves going off a cliff; we decided not to go all in; BUT we didn’t really rebuild; but we also made our team better because you deserve that (even though that resulted in two last place finishes).
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Post by cdj on Jan 20, 2023 20:37:04 GMT -5
Idk how one can view that as double talk, especially when the bruins pulled off the exact same thing in a harder sport to do it in (rebuild on the fly). Also what was 2020 if not a rebuild year?
they were two games from the WS. People keep conveniently ignoring that just because they had brutal injury luck last year.
And I find it pathetic to defend people lacking basic civility. Sure, boo them when they come on if you want. At least let Bloom talk without being a total 75 IQ troglodyte
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 20, 2023 20:45:17 GMT -5
Idk how one can view that as double talk, especially when the bruins pulled off the exact same thing (rebuild on the fly) And especially when they were two games from the WS. People keep conveniently ignoring that just because they had brutal injury luck last year. Not sure I understand defending the Betts trade by saying we didn't have a window to make it worth while signing him, but oh, two years later we were two games from the WS (where Betts might have made a difference). So, maybe not double talk, but the logic sure is not clear.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 20, 2023 20:48:23 GMT -5
Its expensive to go to those things so if they paid their money to boo, they can do so.
I dont think many people thought, hey we won 119 games, now it's time to pack it in.
I'm sure losing Xander needlessly by not giving him a legit offer pissed a lot of fans off and watching the Yankees, Rays and Jays beat them like a drum last year plus watching the Orioles even pass them out while neglecting to at least sell off players not coming back and failing to get under the luxury tax are things that I'm sure pissed off a sizable portion of the fanbase.
That said, I'm no fan of booing or rudeness.
Me, personally, if I'm unhappy with performance I withhold my applause but unless the effort is piss poor, I won't boo. I dont see the point of booing somebody who's trying. I do believe Chaim is trying hard even if I only agree with about a half of what he does.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 20, 2023 20:49:17 GMT -5
Wait you guys are really upset and calling it embarrassing that the fans booed the owner and the GM of a team that recently let Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts leave for nothing? Look, im fine with not signing X to the contract he got, but I am 100% fine with the fans booing the people responsible for blowing up our team over and over again. Yes. It’s embarrassing when these “fans” are booing to the point where they wont even let people speak.
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Post by bigpapiortiz on Jan 20, 2023 20:50:21 GMT -5
Wait you guys are really upset and calling it embarrassing Yes.
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Post by cdj on Jan 20, 2023 20:51:25 GMT -5
Idk how one can view that as double talk, especially when the bruins pulled off the exact same thing (rebuild on the fly) And especially when they were two games from the WS. People keep conveniently ignoring that just because they had brutal injury luck last year. Not sure I understand defending the Betts trade by saying we didn't have a window to make it worth while signing him, but oh, two years later we were two games from the WS (where Betts might have made a difference). So, maybe not double talk, but the logic sure is not clear. I can’t respond to this without relitigating the deal so I won’t do it! But basically I think they didn’t want to find themselves being sanctioned for repeat CBT violations while being a purgatory team (which they were entering that off-season)
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 20, 2023 20:56:20 GMT -5
Wait you guys are really upset and calling it embarrassing that the fans booed the owner and the GM of a team that recently let Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts leave for nothing? Look, im fine with not signing X to the contract he got, but I am 100% fine with the fans booing the people responsible for blowing up our team over and over again. I think booing Chaim is not fair, but I think the ownership deserves some hate because Chaim got here with a "trade Mookie" notification and probably was told to not go crazy on Xander. Speculation of course, but Chaim doesn't deserve the hate he gets. It's all on the ownership. That said, let a person speak in an event like this lol.
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Post by cdj on Jan 20, 2023 20:58:23 GMT -5
Wait you guys are really upset and calling it embarrassing that the fans booed the owner and the GM of a team that recently let Mookie Betts and Xander Bogaerts leave for nothing? Look, im fine with not signing X to the contract he got, but I am 100% fine with the fans booing the people responsible for blowing up our team over and over again. I think booing Chaim is not fair, but I think the ownership deserves some hate because Chaim got here with a "trade Mookie" notification and probably was told to not go crazy on Xander. Speculation of course, but Chaim doesn't deserve the hate he gets. It's all on the ownership. That said, let a person speak in an event like this lol. My exact thoughts. This guy is taking time out of his day to be transparent and accountable to the fan base, at least let him speak
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Post by soxfan06 on Jan 20, 2023 21:00:13 GMT -5
Again there is also the part where John Henry said baseball players are expensive so we have to charge the highest ticket prices in the league.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 20, 2023 21:02:59 GMT -5
Somewhat impressive (per twitter) - apparently majority of attendees were clapping at the end for Chaim which is quite a turn around.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 20, 2023 21:05:55 GMT -5
Again there is also the part where John Henry said baseball players are expensive so we have to charge the highest ticket prices in the league. We also have one of the smallest ballparks in baseball. Which contributes to the high ticket prices Its literally a question with no good answer.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 20, 2023 21:07:16 GMT -5
It's my problem given where we are, but I want to hear real ideas. I can understand anger, we all have times when we want to cry foul. That's not what's being delivered and stoking the madness of crowds. It's the mindless chatter that's designed to do nothing but set a fire so that the talking heads can watch it burn.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 20, 2023 21:08:11 GMT -5
It's my problem given where we are, but I want to hear real ideas. I can understand anger, we all have times when we want to cry foul. That's not what's being delivered and stoking the madness of crowds. It's the mindless chatter that's designed to do nothing but set a fire so that the talking heads can watch it burn. Like in the news. “If it bleeds it leads”
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 20, 2023 21:09:37 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 20, 2023 21:11:54 GMT -5
I think it’s perfectly fine for fans to not be happy about the FO, don’t think anyone will deny that. That being said, there are a handful of reasons why that display was embarrassing and pretty dumb, the most of which and it’s not something I’ve seen anyone bring it up in this thread (that I admittedly skimmed the last bit) is that it makes it way less likely they continue to do what seemed like a really cool fan event.
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Post by cdj on Jan 20, 2023 21:14:16 GMT -5
In other words they know Fenway is a destination and will always have enough people in the building to make the cost worthwhile, so there is no real reason for them to drop the prices I get it. And that’s why I don’t mind them hearing some boos, I think that’s warranted. But let the ppl speak, most of the fans aren’t there to listen to those egomaniacs boo the entire time somebody is trying to be accountable and transparent with them
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Post by cdj on Jan 20, 2023 21:15:57 GMT -5
I think it’s perfectly fine for fans to not be happy about the FO, don’t think anyone will deny that. That being said, there are a handful of reasons why that display was embarrassing and pretty dumb, the most of which and it’s not something I’ve seen anyone bring it up in this thread (that I admittedly skimmed the last bit) is that it makes it way less likely they continue to do what seemed like a really cool fan event. Precisely. All those idiots are doing is giving them a good reason to be less accountable.
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