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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 19, 2022 4:12:25 GMT -5
I guess this puts the nail in the coffin of Yoshida at DH and having a good defensive OF. Can we give the guy a chance before we say he’s not good? Don’t really think we paid that much for a DH with no MLB experience. We could of just paid Abreu if that was the case.
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 19, 2022 6:02:06 GMT -5
And yet LAD signed JDM to replace JT. Go figure. Like the Red Sox (apparently) the Dodgers are planning to stay under the tax this year. And the have the Trevor Bauer contract (possibly) hanging over their heads. Well at the moment we have a front office who identify as “bad with off-seasons” so it’s difficult to say which is worse
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 19, 2022 6:39:35 GMT -5
Now I wonder if the Sox sign Machado after he opts out next year (I say after hearing the shrieks of no bleeping way). After all, the Red Sox now employ the first out of the 9th inning of the clinching game against the Dodgers in the 2018 World Series and the second out, too as they also employ Kiké Hernandez, as both Turner and Hernandez struck out swinging against Chris Sale. So looking over the strategy Machado, who was the final strikeout, must be the target. Why not? The franchise did sign Edgar Renteria. And yes I am totally kidding. And of course the Dodgers have both Mookie and JD Martinez who both homered against them in the clinching game and have already run through David Price and Joe Kelly who pitched the first 8 innings and they employed Craig Kimbrel but when they realized he didn't pitch the 9th that night, they dumped him
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Post by jimoh on Dec 19, 2022 6:59:20 GMT -5
Beyond the Monster @beyondthemnstr
Over Justin Turner’s final 102 games beginning May 10, he slashed .306/.380/.488 with 12 homers, 32 doubles and 68 RBIs.
Turner started the season hitting .168 with one homer.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2022 7:06:46 GMT -5
And yet LAD signed JDM to replace JT. Go figure. Like the Red Sox (apparently) the Dodgers are planning to stay under the tax this year. And the have the Trevor Bauer contract (possibly) hanging over their heads. Unlike the Red Sox, it’s so they can blow past it again and sign Ohtani next year
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Dec 19, 2022 7:48:23 GMT -5
Plus, although he has played in LA, Turner LOOKS like the type of guy who could adapt well to the more frigid conditions of Boston.
He could probably raise his ft/sec running speed past JD if he shaved his beard. That's a heck of a lot of friction.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 19, 2022 8:01:28 GMT -5
I guess this puts the nail in the coffin of Yoshida at DH and having a good defensive OF. Inb4 Verdugo to MIN for Kepler + prospects. But barring a trade, yep, RF defense in particular is going to be an adventure.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 19, 2022 11:01:31 GMT -5
So unless his performancy completety craters, he'll all but certainly will opt out right?
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Dec 19, 2022 11:10:56 GMT -5
So unless his performancy completety craters, he'll all but certainly will opt out right? Someone smarter than me can help out here, does this mean that his AAV will be $15M for this year and $7M for next year if he opts in? Or $11M for both years? Or even $7.5M for this year since it's $15M guaranteed over two years. That would change how much more I would think they're going to do to improve the team. And how much I like the deal.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 19, 2022 11:13:43 GMT -5
Yeah that is close to just being a one year/15 million deal. He'd have to be a total disaster to opt in to 1/6 with a 4 WAR 2021 and a 2.5 WAR 2022 on his record.
I imagine this weird structure lowers his 2023 AAV for some reason.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 19, 2022 11:17:27 GMT -5
So unless his performancy completety craters, he'll all but certainly will opt out right? Someone smarter than me can help out here, does this mean that his AAV will be $15M for this year and $7M for next year if he opts in? Or $11M for both years? Or even $7.5M for this year since it's $15M guaranteed over two years. That would change how much more I would think they're going to do to improve the team. And how much I like the deal. Speier says his understanding is it's $10.85M this year, and if he opts out the $4M difference gets added to the 2024 bill.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 19, 2022 11:24:27 GMT -5
I admire the hustle that went into this contract's terms.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 19, 2022 11:28:23 GMT -5
Yeah that is close to just being a one year/15 million deal. He'd have to be a total disaster to opt in to 1/6 with a 4 WAR 2021 and a 2.5 WAR 2022 on his record. I imagine this weird structure lowers his 2023 AAV for some reason. Well, it's more like a 1/4.3, right? If opting out gets him $7 million, and opting in gets him $11.3 million, that's the delta. Either way, though, agreed. He'd need to significantly decline or be injured to opt in.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 19, 2022 11:32:41 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand yet why they would do this but I am not thinking my clearest this Monday morning. Can someone help me? What is the benefit to the club structuring it this way, with an opt out year two that things would have had to have gone sideways for him to want to pick up?
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Post by orion09 on Dec 19, 2022 11:33:41 GMT -5
Bloom: OK, here’s our final deal. We’ll give you 150M/6Y with an opt out after the fourth, fifth, and sixth years, but if you opt out you while the moon is waxing, you get a buyout that raises the fourth year by 1M, but if you don’t opt out an incentive clause kicks in whereby you get $200k for each new child you sire and
Preller: Here’s a sh#tload of money
Xander: ….
Preller: And some cocaine
Xander: …
Xander (wearing Padres jersey): I appreciate that the Padres were straightforward
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 19, 2022 11:39:37 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand yet why they would do this but I am not thinking my clearest this Monday morning. Can someone help me? What is the benefit to the club structuring it this way, with an opt out year two that things would have had to have gone sideways for him to want to pick up? This goofy structure lets them sign a guy for basically one year, but split his luxury tax payroll hit between two years. Most people are operating under the assumption that they're trying to get under the luxury tax this year, so they're counting every single penny right now.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 19, 2022 11:41:00 GMT -5
I’m not sure I understand yet why they would do this but I am not thinking my clearest this Monday morning. Can someone help me? What is the benefit to the club structuring it this way, with an opt out year two that things would have had to have gone sideways for him to want to pick up? The benefits are: 1) It lowers the tax hit for the AAV this year. 2) More importantly, it entices Turner to sign with them as opposed to somewhere else.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 19, 2022 11:44:26 GMT -5
Thanks to you both for the answer! Makes perfect sense now.
Edit to say I’m now a veteran apparently. Been wondering what the magic number is lol. I’ve finally really arrived on this site
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 19, 2022 12:23:35 GMT -5
Beyond the Monster @beyondthemnstr Over Justin Turner’s final 102 games beginning May 10, he slashed .306/.380/.488 with 12 homers, 32 doubles and 68 RBIs. Turner started the season hitting .168 with one homer. Is anyone able to do Turner’s final 102 games if home games were at Fenway? I don’t know how to do it but it would be very interesting to see. Separately, the numbers above make me feel way better about the signing.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 19, 2022 14:34:40 GMT -5
Someone smarter than me can help out here, does this mean that his AAV will be $15M for this year and $7M for next year if he opts in? Or $11M for both years? Or even $7.5M for this year since it's $15M guaranteed over two years. That would change how much more I would think they're going to do to improve the team. And how much I like the deal. Speier says his understanding is it's $10.85M this year, and if he opts out the $4M difference gets added to the 2024 bill. Update here: Speier now says he thinks it is $15M year one and if he opts in it's $7M year two, but is still double checking this. Apparently in the CBA a buy-out worth >50% of an option means the second year is considered non-guaranteed.
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Post by geostorm on Dec 19, 2022 14:59:10 GMT -5
Speier says his understanding is it's $10.85M this year, and if he opts out the $4M difference gets added to the 2024 bill. Update here: Speier now says he thinks it is $15M year one and if he opts in it's $7M year two, but is still double checking this. Apparently in the CBA a buy-out worth >50% of an option means the second year is considered non-guaranteed.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Dec 19, 2022 15:06:17 GMT -5
Speier says his understanding is it's $10.85M this year, and if he opts out the $4M difference gets added to the 2024 bill. Update here: Speier now says he thinks it is $15M year one and if he opts in it's $7M year two, but is still double checking this. Apparently in the CBA a buy-out worth >50% of an option means the second year is considered non-guaranteed. In that case I like this less since it seems like $15M would restrict them from signing two more needle-movers. And they are more than likely not getting a second year at a discounted AAV anyways.
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Post by seamus on Dec 19, 2022 15:14:48 GMT -5
Hard to complain about Turner as a stopgap option, I could see him pairing well with Yoshi as two high contact hitters to move the bases along in the new shiftless era. Although I do find it a bit funny that the Red Sox don't want to pay someone a large contract until they're 40, but will sign a 38 year old to a 2 year deal. I mean, I don't think Turner's deal counts as a large contract, so I don't see any particular contradiction. They're paying what these years are worth as opposed to essentially paying out deferments for past performance. As others have pointed out, these seems like a great fit for the Sox in 2023. Righty power, good contact hitter, can play the corners, makes all the sense in the world. It does also pretty much guarantee that Dalbec gets moved, as his only viable role on this team was as a backup corner infielder and occasional lefty masher.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 19, 2022 15:27:00 GMT -5
Okay, I am back to not understanding what the point of this weird contract structure is. I wonder if they just screwed up and thought this would let them spread the money out.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 19, 2022 15:36:27 GMT -5
Upside I guess is if he does opt in for some reason at least it hurts the team less in ‘24 than it would otherwise. I’m okay with $15M for Turner if they can still get two other guys to fill out the roster, but if this forces them to go down a level from Kluber or go from like Andrus to Iglesias I’ll be pretty annoyed by it.
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