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Post by rsimon on Mar 15, 2023 21:50:36 GMT -5
Orlando Brown to CIN. 4/64. Disappointed that the Pats did not get him. Especially for that contract. I hope they do not plan to go into next year with potluck at RT, Trent Brown (health risk) at LT, and Strange at LG. Last year's offensive line put a lot of pressure on Mac Jones and I don't see this group as being any better than last year's.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 15, 2023 21:57:03 GMT -5
Orlando Brown to CIN. 4/64. Very disapointed that the Pats did not get him. Especially for that contract. Dude, we should not be handing out any big contracts for awhile after the Jonnu Smith fiasco. |
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Post by philarhody on Mar 15, 2023 22:58:58 GMT -5
Orlando Brown to CIN. 4/64. Disappointed that the Pats did not get him. Especially for that contract. I hope they do not plan to go into next year with potluck at RT, Trent Brown (health risk) at LT, and Strange at LG. Last year's offensive line put a lot of pressure on Mac Jones and I don't see this group as being any better than last year's. Boy that’s a pretty reasonable contract. 16 a year for one of the best pass protectors in the game is good value. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2023 23:05:52 GMT -5
I bet Robinson is very little in guarantees
I like throwing him in the mix with what we have though. Jags James = good
Jets James = trying not to die back there
OBJ wanted to play LT for a proven winner and high end QB, don’t know if he gets any of those 3 things in New England
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 6:35:25 GMT -5
LB Andrew Van Ginkel visiting NE today, per reports.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 8:57:47 GMT -5
S Taylor Rapp also visiting NE, per reports.
EDIT - Saw a video of him going after (then teammate) Jalen Ramsey in a game. So now Rapp IMMEDIATELY jumps to the top of my want list.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 9:47:34 GMT -5
Brad Stainbrook (covers the Browns) says Mack Wilson is expected back with NE. I'm fine if it's more commensurate with a special teams guy (and is very "cuttable") but if it's instead of one of the other off-the-ball lbs, that would be less than ideal.
EDIT - Pelissaro confirms. 1 year, up to 2.2M
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2023 10:36:19 GMT -5
I find the GB and NYJ negotiations for Rodgers fascinating. The Jets take seems to be Rodgers wants to play in NY and he’s expensive for GB to keep so they should be able to get him for a couple day 2 picks. Green Bay is saying, no he’s a premium QB and those guys get multiple first round picks etc and he should command a premium package.
Who has the leverage here and why?
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 10:39:26 GMT -5
WR Bisi Johnson visiting NE. YOung, missed significant time from injuries.
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Post by jmei on Mar 16, 2023 10:58:31 GMT -5
I find the GB and NYJ negotiations for Rodgers fascinating. The Jets take seems to be Rodgers wants to play in NY and he’s expensive for GB to keep so they should be able to get him for a couple day 2 picks. Green Bay is saying, no he’s a premium QB and those guys get multiple first round picks etc and he should command a premium package. Who has the leverage here and why? I think Green Bay has the leverage. They have all offseason to get rid of him (his option bonus isn't due until the end of camp) and I bet Rodgers would rather retire than return to GB anyways. Meanwhile, the Jets will be under intense pressure to get a deal done, and the longer they wait, the more it will negatively impact their ability to compete next year (in terms of signing other free agents, putting together an offense, etc.). |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2023 11:42:58 GMT -5
Well if you believe Rodgers retires unless traded, you don't have that much leverage. He's not Brady talking about playing a bunch more years either and he's old. So I certainly don't see multiple first round picks, that's for younger QBs. Now I'd love for the Jets to be stupid, I'm just talking in general here.
I'd set a deadline and if I were the Jets and wanted leverage I'd engage with Lamar Jackson. Tell the packers if I'm paying the price of 2 firsts it's for a younger QB.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2023 11:48:18 GMT -5
Juju contract is 3 years 25.5 million, with 16 million guaranteed. It can reach 33 million total with incentives. So what wasn't a bad deal, is even better. Especially compared to what they paid Agholor.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2023 12:06:30 GMT -5
What am I missing with Taylor Rapp? He looks like a SS and his best traits are tackling. Runs a 4.78 40, yet the rest of his scores are very good. I mean if you didn't just pay Peppers real money I might get it, yet he can't play FS in our system. He probably shouldn't play it at all, yet maybe if you ran zone. His coverage numbers are bad his entire career.
They thinking about trading Duggar? I don't see another option with an early visit.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2023 12:54:34 GMT -5
Well if you believe Rodgers retires unless traded, you don't have that much leverage. He's not Brady talking about playing a bunch more years either and he's old. So I certainly don't see multiple first round picks, that's for younger QBs. Now I'd love for the Jets to be stupid, I'm just talking in general here. I'd set a deadline and if I were the Jets and wanted leverage I'd engage with Lamar Jackson. Tell the packers if I'm paying the price of 2 firsts it's for a younger QB. I mean you still have leverage there because if your main goal is to get out from the money then it works either way for you, no? Why take second day picks and if you do then you wait as long as possible. I feel like a fair deal is a 2023 second and 2024 first. But if the Jets don’t get him because they don’t want to deal a first that’s borderline negligence considering their history and how well built the rest of the team is. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2023 14:03:19 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/Is this right? One of the more confusing contracts I've seen. If he's traded or retires, his dead cap is more than his cap number, though not what that says either. Now you get out of paying hin 59 plus million in actual money. Yet that's the thing, they didn't spend tons on a signing bonus either, the biggest payday is this year, first week of the season. Now at the same time those cap numbers without signing and restructures would be darn good for the Jets. Yet the cash paid isn't at almost 60 million. So for me, with a QB that might retire after one year. I'd say maybe a 2nd and a pick next year based on games played and if he plays a 2nd year, maybe a other 2nd. Heck put some triggers in their that maybe make it a first, like Jets make SB, Rodgers makes All pro or wins MVP. I can't pay a 2nd and 1st, while paying 60 million for one years of Rodgers at age 40. Even if the cap number would be crazy good for a QB like him. Yet isn't that why this isn’t an easy trade? If I'm ready that contract correctly, which who knows. Declining the option bonus, just converts it to base salary that is fully guaranteed. So you can spread out the payments, yet not get out of paying him. What if he's pissed and shows up? 60 million is a lot to walk away from, they have to pay him and they clearly don't want to make those payments. Yet like I said before, the best leverage the Jets can get, is to not act like it’s Rodgers or nothing. Imagine Love right now, this can't be good for him and certainly won't be if you plan on waiting this out to week one. So I'd take a 2nd and WR Moore right now. That's a good solid fair trade, Packers don't have a WR like him and Love will need all the help he can get.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2023 14:31:20 GMT -5
I literally won’t be surprised with any outcome but the Jets have been bad for so long and they could be a SB contender with Rodgers so that’s worth a couple high picks even if just for a season or 2.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 16:03:53 GMT -5
Trey Flowers also visited today, per Mike Garrafolo
And LB Chris Board, per Reiss.
Also, the Hoyer cut was processed.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2023 17:49:56 GMT -5
Ginkel is interesting as a core special teamer and guy that offers pass rush. He was darn good in 2021. Yet not good in Coverage and misses a bunch of tackles.
Bisi had a nice athletic profile, yet back to back ACL injuries on both knees the last two years. If he's healthy and still that type of athlete, he's interesting depth piece.
I love Flowers, yet another season of injuries. Maybe veteran minimum, can't do anything more than that.
Board looks like a special team guy only type. Much rather guys like Ginkel who over something else.
As to Rodgers it was my understanding that trade or retirement is the same cap wise.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 18:36:01 GMT -5
Don't necessarily think Board and Van Ginkel are mutually exclusive. Van Ginkel more of an edge. Board more off the ball LB.
A Board signing would make me question McMillan and Wilson signings but Im' guessing those 2 are pretty cuttable so maybe it doesn't matter much.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 18:38:47 GMT -5
Meanwhile, NE is still (supposedly) in on Jerry Jeudy. The reported ask is a late 1st or early 2nd and a player. This from Ben Allbright who covers the Broncos.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2023 19:42:41 GMT -5
So I guess Rapp did log over 500 snaps at deep safety for the Rams in EACH of the last 2 years. Have no idea how well he did it but . . .
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Post by rasimon on Mar 16, 2023 23:48:02 GMT -5
Meanwhile, NE is still (supposedly) in on Jerry Jeudy. The reported ask is a late 1st or early 2nd and a player. This from Ben Allbright who covers the Broncos. Asking for a first is like saying we don't want to trade him. Jeudy is signed for a reasonable price in 2023 but if you want to keep him for 2024 it's going to cost about 13 million, and then he's a free agent. You might as well keep the first round pick and draft Njigba or QJohnson or Addison or ZFlowers who you would get to keep for 4 years at a low price. How about Tyquan Thornton and a fourth round pick? I would do that. I will even throw in Myles Bryant or Jalen Mills. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 17, 2023 6:13:17 GMT -5
Meanwhile, NE is still (supposedly) in on Jerry Jeudy. The reported ask is a late 1st or early 2nd and a player. This from Ben Allbright who covers the Broncos. Asking for a first is like saying we don't want to trade him. Jeudy is signed for a reasonable price in 2023 but if you want to keep him for 2024 it's going to cost about 13 million, and then he's a free agent. You might as well keep the first round pick and draft Njigba or QJohnson or Addison or ZFlowers who you would get to keep for 4 years at a low price. How about Tyquan Thornton and a fourth round pick? I would do that. I will even throw in Myles Bryant or Jalen Mills. Is it that different than the AJ Brown situation? Tennessee got a 1st and 3rd. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 17, 2023 6:21:38 GMT -5
NE Re-Signs Ekuale.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 17, 2023 6:57:53 GMT -5
NE signing Mike Gesecki.
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