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Post by jmei on Mar 17, 2023 7:51:53 GMT -5
Continued nice job of filling out the roster ahead of the draft where they really can focus on best player available.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 17, 2023 8:14:55 GMT -5
Would still LOVE to fill in the following prior to the draft:
- More of a Y TE since Henry and Gesicki are better in space (doubt it happens unless Henry is moved)
- An upgrade to Tavai as the other primary OTB LB (not sure if Morrow is still on the table after Wilson re-signed)
- Another DB (CB if you're moving a current DB to FS or a S who can play deep - still on Rapp per Jeremy Fowler).
- Obviously a more dynamic option at WR but, again, maybe the cheaper option (via the draft) is more preferable.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 17, 2023 8:46:57 GMT -5
It’s been 13 years since the Patriots drafted a star offensive player (Gronk and Hernandez) and 14 years since they drafted a star receiver (Edelman).
To me, I think you have to draft a star offensive player in this draft. Scoring 18 points against Miami and Buffalo isn’t going to get it done.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 17, 2023 8:52:07 GMT -5
Their first pick is going to be a lineman, I just don’t know if it will be an OL or DL player…. Groundbreaking… i know.
I’m still leaning OT, they like to draft those guys a year early.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 17, 2023 10:05:07 GMT -5
Ive asked this before but does anyone actually like moving McCourty’s cap hit to next year? Seems like very short-term thinking to me. Im not asking to complain Im asking because Im genuinely curious what people on this board specifically think.
Thanks.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 17, 2023 10:08:15 GMT -5
Joe Cardona. Highest paid long snapper.
Bill has weird priorities.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 17, 2023 10:43:02 GMT -5
Jalen Mills cut. Don't mind it, but what's the other shoe?
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Post by jmei on Mar 17, 2023 10:55:49 GMT -5
Ive asked this before but does anyone actually like moving McCourty’s cap hit to next year? Seems like very short-term thinking to me. Im not asking to complain Im asking because Im genuinely curious what people on this board specifically think. Thanks. You roll over unused cap space from year to year so it's a total non-issue. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 17, 2023 11:35:11 GMT -5
Ive asked this before but does anyone actually like moving McCourty’s cap hit to next year? Seems like very short-term thinking to me. Im not asking to complain Im asking because Im genuinely curious what people on this board specifically think. Thanks. You roll over unused cap space from year to year so it's a total non-issue. This - it really doesn’t matter unless they actually use it this year. Added flexibility at the start of free agency is always better. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2023 12:04:38 GMT -5
Mike Gesecki is very interesting, he's an elite athlete at TE. He's not a blocker and given Henry, I'd almost consider him a WR. Dolphins go from using tag on him, to basically removing him from offense. First I'm kinda shocked other teams weren't in on him, 2nd he's likely going to be what people wanted Jonnu Smith to be. Let's see what one year upto 9 million equals cap wise. Yet this is a massive signing if they get the offensive right and use him correctly, something Dolphins never really seemed to do. You just added a massive TE that can help move the chains, stretch the field and is a huge mismatch all over the field. He's just a weapon and our offense just became much more explosive. Wish we could have done a deal for more than one year.
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Post by cdj on Mar 17, 2023 12:11:13 GMT -5
Not sure if they will (and I actually don’t think they necessarily need to) but if they add a #1 WR this will be a dynamic offense. Should be a good one anyway. Just need the O-line to hold up
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Post by jmei on Mar 17, 2023 12:14:08 GMT -5
Mike Gesecki is very interesting, he's an elite athlete at TE. He's not a blocker and given Henry, I'd almost consider him a WR. Dolphins go from using tag on him, to basically removing him from offense. First I'm kinda shocked other teams weren't in on him, 2nd he's likely going to be what people wanted Jonnu Smith to be. Let's see what one year upto 9 million equals cap wise. Yet this is a massive signing if they get the offensive right and use him correctly, something Dolphins never really seemed to do. You just added a massive TE that can help move the chains, stretch the field and is a huge mismatch all over the field. He's just a weapon and our offense just became much more explosive. Wish we could have done a deal for more than one year. He was a bad fit for the offense that Miami ran last year (which required in-line TEs who could block) but I think he could really thrive in the sort of spread offense that O'Brien runs. I'm kind of digging their offseason so far. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2023 12:16:00 GMT -5
Yeah I know Rapp played a bunch of FS, yet FS can be very different depending on what defense you run. With McCourty we ran a single deep safety a ton. I based my comments on his speed which is horrible, yet he's an elite athlete besides that. Along with his coverage numbers the last two year, completion percentage 74.1% and 71.7%, passer rating 98.7 and 98.3, along with 4 TDs allowed each year. He's consistent, yet not in a good way. Matches his pre draft scouting reports that he's much better closer to the line. Type of guy that can guard TEs and RBs. I like him a lot actually, not as a replacement for McCourty. Unless they are switching up the D.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2023 12:51:37 GMT -5
I'm not feeling trading for a WR. Hopkins is older, huge cap numbers and wants a new deal. That's an all in type move and for me your building this year.
Jerry Jeudy is much more interesting given his Mac Jones connections and age. Yet the reason they want to trade him is the type of off field crap and attitude the Patriots hate and usually stay away from. He's also spent a bunch of time being a vertical slot and outside guy. With JuJu, he's not going to be getting much slot play. If the cost was right, yet late first or early 2nd and a player is high end. Seen our 2nd and Bourne, which is interesting, yet that's not a high 2nd either. He hasn't been AJ Brown either, he's a totally different type of WR and the production doesn't come close to matching.
They really need to draft and develop WR. I'd focus on adding long-term weapons. Don't have to be chasing a #1 type WR. For me it's about 2024 just as much as 2023. It would help if the Patriots went after the right types. Instead they seem to love bigger guys with good speed that come from systems with limited route trees. Johnson, Jackson, Dobson and Thornton. Focus on smart WR that run good routes! Then again we are kinda do for one of those guys to actually develop and reach his upside.
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Post by rasimon on Mar 17, 2023 12:52:04 GMT -5
Jalen Mills to be released. Sometimes it almost seems like BB knows what he is doing. PFF had Mills 115 out of 118 CBs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2023 13:07:33 GMT -5
I'd still love to see a high end LT of the future at 14. Yet they've done enough where you can say they don't have too, especially if they like one of those 2nd tier OT. You are basically at the point where you can take best player available. That's assuming they get a FS or plan on using Jones there. All depends on how the draft falls, yet it feel like almost anything is in play now.
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Post by cdj on Mar 17, 2023 15:34:53 GMT -5
They signed LB/ core ST Chris Board
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 17, 2023 15:44:48 GMT -5
Is it that different than the AJ Brown situation? Tennessee got a 1st and 3rd. Jerry Jeudy isn't nearly as good. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 17, 2023 15:55:28 GMT -5
Ive asked this before but does anyone actually like moving McCourty’s cap hit to next year? Seems like very short-term thinking to me. Im not asking to complain Im asking because Im genuinely curious what people on this board specifically think. Thanks. You roll over unused cap space from year to year so it's a total non-issue. Ah got it. Thank you! |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 17, 2023 16:02:35 GMT -5
Is it that different than the AJ Brown situation? Tennessee got a 1st and 3rd. Jerry Jeudy isn't nearly as good. Exactly |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 17, 2023 17:32:53 GMT -5
The Gesicki deal is absurd value
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 17, 2023 19:27:12 GMT -5
Jalen Mills to be released. Sometimes it almost seems like BB knows what he is doing. PFF had Mills 115 out of 118 CBs. I feel like these two sentences contradict each other. Yeah, I remember at the time they signed him I thought, "why?" and that kind of just enforces that question. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 17, 2023 21:32:36 GMT -5
Kevin Byard appears to be heading out of Tennessee. That would probably be the best possible fit in a McCourty role
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Post by jmei on Mar 18, 2023 7:55:58 GMT -5
I could be convinced that having a more versatile safety group that can rely more on description and misdirection (rather than a clear FS who plays deep middle every play) is the way to go.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 18, 2023 13:06:01 GMT -5
I question the metrics used in this analysis. Before 10 or so years ago, they were finishing at the top of the league with their record, yet still hitting home runs with their late-in-the-round 1st-3rd picks. These included Rob Gronkowski, Devin McCourty, Julian Edelman, Chandler Jones, Dont’a Hightower (and we can even throw Aaron Hernandez in here if we just look at on-field performance). Even looking at the last few years, there seem to be more high round misses than hits. 2015 - Malcolm Brown 1st (solid if inconsistent); Jordan Richards 2nd 2016 - No 1st, 2nd Chandler Jones; Did better in the 3rd with Thuney, who is a star. 2017 - Traded pick for Brandon Cooks, who was traded at the end of the year for a 1st and 6th. That 1st turned into Sony Michel, who was gone in 2 years for a 5th and 6th round pick; 2nd round was Kony Ealy (released in training camp). 2018 - Isaiah Wynn (uneven role player) and Michel; Round 2 Duke Dawson (traded after 1 season never played a regular season snap). 2019 - 1st K'Neal Harry. 2nd B Joejuan Williams. 2020 - Trade 1st for 2nd round pick; 2nd Duggar and Uche - finally some solid picks. 2021 - 1st Mac Jones. Solid pick - could be a solid top 10 QB with competent Offensive Line and an actual offensive coordinator who works to his strength; 2nd Christian Barmore - solid player. Actually the homerun or at least stand-up triple in this draft may have been Stevenson in the 4th round. 2022 - 1st Cole Strange (roller coaster first year); 2nd Tyquan Thorton (5.5 yds a catch, 2 catches a game ave.). I don't have time to do a full draft analysis, but when you miss this often on your first and second rounders, you are missing on the "money" part of the draft. I credit Belichick with a lot of positives, but in the last several years, this area has been substandard. Reposting this because I think Belichick should look at his recent track record and then trade his first and second-round picks this year and next year for established, elite NFL players in positions of need. And, yes, I'm talking about considering DeAndre Hopkins and whomever else is becoming a cap casualty. These "deals" for 6th and 7th-round picks are like 10th-round picks in MLB. The chance that any of them stick is infinitesimal. |
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